Time For the Hypo Trade Talks to Begin ?

[Larry Cook]

Baseball Trade Values gives the expiring contract of righthander Nathan Eovaldi a surplus value of $3.6 million:

 

https://www.baseballtradevalues.com/players/8096/

 

Of roughly equal value would be Seattle's 23-year-old prospect righthander Taylor Dollard, who is having a Brandon Walter-type season at Double A:

 

https://www.baseballtradevalues.com/players/43013/

 

https://www.baseball-reference.com/register/player.fcgi?id=dollar000tay

 

I would trade eovaldi for dollard is a skinny second! No brainer.

 

If I could get something similar to dollard, for Martinez, I would be all in on that as well!

[Swiharts Ghost]

I called the Kyle Trade last year very early ask Moon .This year Blooms in a pickle and up to now I really thought something could be worked out with X so this leads me to believe X asking price is far higher than anyone has thought .My personal thoughts if this is the case trade him now then .I would trade for an expiring contract like Brandon Drury in Cincy is it a sexy trade ? Nope but don’t think we warrant one now .Drury can play 2b and OF and fill in at 3b and he just might warrant a second thought this winter ? I don’t know .Next it’s everyones pick in Josh Bell and although he’s no masher he’s a solid 1B stop gap for Boston if Casas ever shows more promise .I am over hating on Bloom it’s been an aweful year with players like Kike who I would extend and Power outages from X again and Verdugo .I would not DFA JBJ but he would take on a roll as mentor for Duran and understand he will be a late inning defensive replacement here as long as he’d like .JBJ has a future as a Coach here and I’d like Cora and Bloom to start this process and discuss that with him now .Cora has made some horrible decisions of late but he’s just throwing baloney against the garage .Bloom likely has had thoughts the last 12 weeks of how kikes play and Injury along with Barnes play and upcoming DFA has effected this years team .we cannot shutdown Sale he’s plenty capable of taking over a slot in this haggered BP and with Whitlock at the end of games a tweak to 1b and adding a switch blade on the cheap like Drury we may catch lightning who knows ? I’m an asshat of a fan but I love this city and my Redsox .I melt down a lot here .I hope to God we make another serious run this year .Season hinges on Kike on Sale on 1b on a Swiss Army knife .Freaking Love all you Jackass here .Happy for Harmony and even Jax this year ...been freaking brutal for Seattle and NY for along time .Boston can still make a run Do not give up and we are not f***ing Racist fans we are rabid we are mental at times and we have racism in every city but this fan base loves our Celtics we love or Black and Hispanic and Asian players ...I wish they would sue that smug POS .Lets go win this f***er .

[jacksonianmarch]

Agree on one thing SG, Boston is no more racist than any other city and they’re definitely less racist than a few cities I’ve spent time in in the south.

 

If the Sox deal Bogey, they’re selling the entire ship. JD, Eo, Wacha, Vaz, etc. So I don’t follow you in the line of thinking of swapping out X for another expiring contract to salvage this year.

 

Bloom is gonna wait the next 10-12 days to decide. If the Sox win 6-7 in a row out of the break, he will have to add. If they continue their July swoon, he will tear down

[notin]

On 1b, the easiest upgrade

 

Top Choice - Josh Bell. Free agent after 2022. Great hitter from the left side. Weaker from the right. But the biggest upgrade on the market and changes the lineup dramatically.

 

Realistic Alternative - Hunter Dozier. Not as exciting as Bell but his contract (2 yrs $17.5 mill with incentives) probably makes him an easy target in KC

 

Alternative That Scares Me - Frank Schwindel. He’s an upgrade over Cordero/Dalbec simply because he can field a ground ball and post a .700 OPS on occasion. But he is about as unexciting as it gets. Although he at least has a history of posting outlandish offensive numbers in his first go round with any team.

 

Worst Choice - Eric Hosmer. If he had less than 3 full years after 2022 (worth $39mill), a Hosmer/Bradley trade would make sense for both teams. But that’s too many years of a very mediocre player…

[mvp 78]

On 1b, the easiest upgrade

 

Top Choice - Josh Bell. Free agent after 2022. Great hitter from the left side. Weaker from the right. But the biggest upgrade on the market and changes the lineup dramatically.

 

Realistic Alternative - Hunter Dozier. Not as exciting as Bell but his contract (2 yrs $17.5 mill with incentives) probably makes him an easy target in KC

 

Alternative That Scares Me - Frank Schwindel. He’s an upgrade over Cordero/Dalbec simply because he can field a ground ball and post a .700 OPS on occasion. But he is about as unexciting as it gets. Although he at least has a history of posting outlandish offensive numbers in his first go round with any team.

 

Worst Choice - Eric Hosmer. If he had less than 3 full years after 2022 (worth $39mill), a Hosmer/Bradley trade would make sense for both teams. But that’s too many years of a very mediocre player…

 

There's just no way... is there?

[notin]

There's just no way... is there?

 

 

I hope not. He is into the cheaper years but his AAV is $19mill. I only included him because he is definitely available, even in a bad contract swap.

 

Wil Myers would be the preferable alternative from SD. But I doubt they’d take Bradley for him right now as it would add money. A Diekman/Myers swap might be realistic (and I think is acceptable on BTV), but I don’t have any clue about whether or not SD would be interested…

[mvp 78]

I hope not. He is into the cheaper years but his AAV is $19mill. I only included him because he is definitely available, even in a bad contract swap.

 

Wil Myers would be the preferable alternative from SD. But I doubt they’d take Bradley for him right now as it would add money. A Diekman/Myers swap might be realistic (and I think is acceptable on BTV), but I don’t have any clue about whether or not SD would be interested…

 

Myers would get to play out the string and get some more playing time. It is a contract year for him.

[notin]

Myers would get to play out the string and get some more playing time. It is a contract year for him.

 

Given their lack of OF depth, I’m not sure Myers is all that available…

[mvp 78]

Given their lack of OF depth, I’m not sure Myers is all that available…

 

Well, once they get Upton in the Snell deal, they should be ok.

[harmony]

On 1b, the easiest upgrade

 

Top Choice - Josh Bell. Free agent after 2022. Great hitter from the left side. Weaker from the right. But the biggest upgrade on the market and changes the lineup dramatically.

 

Realistic Alternative - Hunter Dozier. Not as exciting as Bell but his contract (2 yrs $17.5 mill with incentives) probably makes him an easy target in KC

 

Alternative That Scares Me - Frank Schwindel. He’s an upgrade over Cordero/Dalbec simply because he can field a ground ball and post a .700 OPS on occasion. But he is about as unexciting as it gets. Although he at least has a history of posting outlandish offensive numbers in his first go round with any team.

 

Worst Choice - Eric Hosmer. If he had less than 3 full years after 2022 (worth $39mill), a Hosmer/Bradley trade would make sense for both teams. But that’s too many years of a very mediocre player…

Any love for Arizona first baseman Christian Walker, who has posted a higher fWAR than Peter Alonso and Valdimir Guerrero Jr. this year and who has a surplus trade value of only $3.5 million at Baseball Trade Values?

 

https://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=1b&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=y&type=8&season=2022&month=0&season1=2022&ind=0&team=0&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0&startdate=2022-01-01&enddate=2022-12-31

 

https://www.baseballtradevalues.com/players/9690/

[mvp 78]

Any love for Arizona first baseman Christian Walker, who has posted a higher fWAR than Peter Alonso and Valdimir Guerrero Jr. this year and who has a surplus trade value of only $3.5 million at Baseball Trade Values?

 

https://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=1b&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=y&type=8&season=2022&month=0&season1=2022&ind=0&team=0&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0&startdate=2022-01-01&enddate=2022-12-31

 

https://www.baseballtradevalues.com/players/9690/

 

He has 2 more ARB years remaining and could make a good DH candidate or 1B platoon for a LHB if you had a young one of those coming up...

 

He's an older guy with not much upside, but he doesn't present a huge HOME/AWAY split issue like some other guys.

[mvp 78]

He has 2 more ARB years remaining and could make a good DH candidate or 1B platoon for a LHB if you had a young one of those coming up...

 

He's an older guy with not much upside, but he doesn't present a huge HOME/AWAY split issue like some other guys.

 

https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/savant-player/christian-walker-572233?stats=statcast-r-hitting-mlb

 

I mean, I think he'd try to hit every single pitch over the monster.

[notin]

Any love for Arizona first baseman Christian Walker, who has posted a higher fWAR than Peter Alonso and Valdimir Guerrero Jr. this year and who has a surplus trade value of only $3.5 million at Baseball Trade Values?

 

https://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=1b&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=y&type=8&season=2022&month=0&season1=2022&ind=0&team=0&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0&startdate=2022-01-01&enddate=2022-12-31

 

https://www.baseballtradevalues.com/players/9690/

 

Walker is also an excellent candidate…

[moonslav59]

What’s the boards feelings on what it will take for us to be sellers?

 

3-5 or more games behind WC3?

6-8?

I-2 with a bunch of guys hurt?

 

On the flip side: will we be buyers if we are not sellers, or is there some place we might be where we are neither, of just make a couple minor moves for a 1Bman and RP that cost us nothing more than players we have no hope in?

[mvp 78]

What’s the boards feelings on what it will take for us to be sellers?

 

3-5 or more games behind WC3?

6-8?

I-2 with a bunch of guys hurt?

 

On the flip side: will we be buyers if we are not sellers, or is there some place we might be where we are neither, of just make a couple minor moves for a 1Bman and RP that cost us nothing more than players we have no hope in?

 

I'm not sure they are going to be able to fall 6-8 games behind that quickly. They are only 2 games back now and there is a 10 game home stretch before the end of July. They would really have to crater for that to happen.

 

Since they haven't made overtures to Xander about re-signing, I assume they aren't going to keep him so I'd sell.

 

I bet they are just going to stand pat and make some minor moves ala Austin Davis/Hansel Robles but a very mediocre bat.

[jacksonianmarch]

You’ve got 3 vs Toronto, 4 vs Cleveland, 3 vs Milwaukee and 2 vs Houston before the deadline. That’ll determine a lot

[moonslav59]

You’ve got 3 vs Toronto, 4 vs Cleveland, 3 vs Milwaukee and 2 vs Houston before the deadline. That’ll determine a lot

 

I think the deadline comes before game time in the second HOU game.

[moonslav59]

I'm not sure they are going to be able to fall 6-8 games behind that quickly. They are only 2 games back now and there is a 10 game home stretch before the end of July. They would really have to crater for that to happen.

 

Since they haven't made overtures to Xander about re-signing, I assume they aren't going to keep him so I'd sell.

 

I bet they are just going to stand pat and make some minor moves ala Austin Davis/Hansel Robles but a very mediocre bat.

 

A sweep by TOR almost gets us to 6.

 

I’m not predicting- just asking what people think it would take to be sellers or non serious buyers.

[mvp 78]

A sweep by TOR almost gets us to 6.

 

I’m not predicting- just asking what people think it would take to be sellers or non serious buyers.

 

I don't see them selling no matter what.

[Bellhorn04]

A sweep by TOR almost gets us to 6.

 

I’m not predicting- just asking what people think it would take to be sellers or non serious buyers.

 

It depends on more than just the games back. There are also things like the health status of Wacha and Hill.

[moonslav59]

It depends on more than just the games back. There are also things like the health status of Wacha and Hill.

 

Yes, I mentioned that on another thread. We already know Sale won’t be back, soon, and Kike looks like a long shot.

 

How Pivetta and others look will be factors, as well.

 

Yes, it’s not just about games behind.

[oldtimer]

Yes, I mentioned that on another thread. We already know Sale won’t be back, soon, and Kike looks like a long shot.

 

How Pivetta and others look will be factors, as well.

 

Yes, it’s not just about games behind.

 

I see the Sox as having a very weak supporting cast in JBJ, Duran, Dalbec, Cordero, Plaweki and Downs. With Sale out, Pivetta with a tired arm (my guess) and Wacha out, there is not enough to make a run. Selling is a real alternative. Decisions made and not made before the season along with some bad luck has left the team too weak to be competitive this year. Decision time is fast approaching. I would like to keep Bogey but don't think that will be possible. Cut JDM loose and bring up prospects and give them a look. Sign Devers.

[mvp 78]

I see the Sox as having a very weak supporting cast in JBJ, Duran, Dalbec, Cordero, Plaweki and Downs. With Sale out, Pivetta with a tired arm (my guess) and Wacha out, there is not enough to make a run. Selling is a real alternative. Decisions made and not made before the season along with some bad luck has left the team too weak to be competitive this year. Decision time is fast approaching. I would like to keep Bogey but don't think that will be possible. Cut JDM loose and bring up prospects and give them a look. Sign Devers.

 

If they are cutting JDM, shoulding there be enough $$$ to re-sign Xander?

[notin]

A sweep by TOR almost gets us to 6.

 

I’m not predicting- just asking what people think it would take to be sellers or non serious buyers.

 

There are 11 games between now and the deadline. (Game 2 against Houston starts after the deadline.)

 

Going 4-7 or worse over those games - all against teams in the postseason hunt - would leave the Sox at .500 and certainly makes selling more realistic.

 

But what is unrealistic is waiting out all 11 games to decide. Trades don’t just happen after two GMs bounce around names for 10 minutes until they agree. Contracts need to be reviewed by lawyers. Players with NTCs or 10-5 rights need to grant permission. And probably a ton of other paperwork. So a decision probably has to be made earlier. No idea how much earlier.

 

Unless Bloom can get started on both paths simultaneously and just rubber stamp deals at the last minute…

[notin]

If they are cutting JDM, shoulding there be enough $$$ to re-sign Xander?

 

That depends. How much does Xander want? And does signing Xander influence signing Devers? (From a financial standpoint.)

[mvp 78]

That depends. How much does Xander want? And does signing Xander influence signing Devers? (From a financial standpoint.)

 

You can offer a 10M raise without blinking an eye, not that I think you have to go that high (Semien signed for 25 AAV). Then you go to Devers and see what you can work out.

[mvp 78]

There are 11 games between now and the deadline. (Game 2 against Houston starts after the deadline.)

 

Going 4-7 or worse over those games - all against teams in the postseason hunt - would leave the Sox at .500 and certainly makes selling more realistic.

 

But what is unrealistic is waiting out all 11 games to decide. Trades don’t just happen after two GMs bounce around names for 10 minutes until they agree. Contracts need to be reviewed by lawyers. Players with NTCs or 10-5 rights need to grant permission. And probably a ton of other paperwork. So a decision probably has to be made earlier. No idea how much earlier.

 

Unless Bloom can get started on both paths simultaneously and just rubber stamp deals at the last minute…

 

I'm sure Bloom has already planned for multiple scenarios. He's probably prepared to sell, buy and stand pat or do a mix. I'm sure he's already had conversations about the guys we're talking about.

[Kimmi]

I'm not sure they are going to be able to fall 6-8 games behind that quickly. They are only 2 games back now and there is a 10 game home stretch before the end of July. They would really have to crater for that to happen.

 

Since they haven't made overtures to Xander about re-signing, I assume they aren't going to keep him so I'd sell.

 

I bet they are just going to stand pat and make some minor moves ala Austin Davis/Hansel Robles but a very mediocre bat.

 

Sounds about right, but perhaps a little better than you're expecting. A lot of our second half run is going to have to come from the existing players being healthy and playing at a high level.

[Kimmi]

I'm sure Bloom has already planned for multiple scenarios. He's probably prepared to sell, buy and stand pat or do a mix. I'm sure he's already had conversations about the guys we're talking about.

 

I'm sure he has considered all scenarios as well. The tricky part is that the fates of some other teams might also be determined by what happens over the next several games. A prospective trade partner may have a change of plans. Or an injury to a key player on a contending team might make them a buyer for a player when they previously weren't.

[mvp 78]

Sounds about right, but perhaps a little better than you're expecting. A lot of our second half run is going to have to come from the existing players being healthy and playing at a high level.

 

If they just meet the expectations of a normal season going forward, they should be competitive. Seems like the good luck with health from last year has turned on them this year. It happens.

 

If I had to rank my frustrations:

 

Casas injury

Bullpen mess

Verdugo regression

Dalbec regression

Misc pitching injuries

Black hole at bottom third of lineup

 

JBJ/Story/AAA pitchers/Cordero don't really bother me all that much.