A Realistic View at 2022: Part III

[Nick]

How can those numbers be the "hottest" in the system?

 

You'll have to take that up with MLB.com. Don't shoot the messanger.

[jad]

Self-defined "true fans" should remember: it's the pink hats that put the pennies in the seats. Not the wannabe GM's on the internet.

[moonslav59]

You'll have to take that up with MLB.com. Don't shoot the messanger.

 

I'm not sure how several players have better season numbers but never had a better month.

 

Impossible.

[moonslav59]

Self-defined "true fans" should remember: it's the pink hats that put the pennies in the seats. Not the wannabe GM's on the internet.

 

Pink hats with rose-colored glasses, that is.

[notin]

How can those numbers be the "hottest" in the system?

 

Because he’s going it in muggy South Carolina and not the more temperate Massachusetts or Maine…

[MADSTORK]

"Beni has Boggs type numbers," and you say he got it right? LOL, what a joke... I mean Mr. Joke.

 

 

Typical pink hat response

 

I didn't say he was Boggs and neither did the other post. The other post simply stated he had boggs type numbers... Thats Ok, now go get your shine box

[moonslav59]

Typical pink hat response

 

I didn't say he was Boggs and neither did the other post. The other post simply stated he had boggs type numbers... Thats Ok, now go get your shine box

 

I didn't say Boggs either. I quoted the poster who said "Boggs type."

 

You ranted about Beni's OBP, which is closer to Cordero than Boggs.

 

.415 Boggs (+65)

 

.350 Beni (.341 since trade)

 

.286 Cordero (-64, not counting tonight)

 

Score board charcoal hat glasses.

 

Edited May 25, 2022 by moonslav59

[Nick]

Free Agent Signing Story not finished....

 

Looking quickly at OPS leaders at each position in AL, with enough qualifying plate appearances

 

2B Story 1st out of 11 players qualified

DH JD, 1st out of 8 players qualified

3B Devers, 2nd out of 14 players qualified (3B position is pretty well set in AL)

RF JBJ, 6th out of 8 players qualified

LF Verdugo, 8th out of 8 players qualified

CF Kike, 9th out of 9 players qualified

C only 3 catchers have enough plate appearances, Vaz is not one of the three

1B 10 players have enough plate appearances. Dalbec trails the 10th place spot by significant amount

 

Story, Kike and JBJ are surprises for me.

[moonslav59]

Free Agent Signing Story not finished....

 

Looking quickly at OPS leaders at each position in AL, with enough qualifying plate appearances

 

2B Story 1st out of 11 players qualified

DH JD, 1st out of 8 players qualified

3B Devers, 2nd out of 14 players qualified (3B position is pretty well set in AL)

RF JBJ, 6th out of 8 players qualified

LF Verdugo, 8th out of 8 players qualified

CF Kike, 9th out of 9 players qualified

C only 3 catchers have enough plate appearances, Vaz is not one of the three

1B 10 players have enough plate appearances. Dalbec trails the 10th place spot by significant amount

 

Story, Kike and JBJ are surprises for me.

 

If you change the sample size to get 30 players at each positions, our rankings look like this:

 

120+ PAs, except Catcher w 80+

 

3rd Devers 3B (28)

3rd Bogey SS (28)

9th Story 2B (30)

17th Vaz out of 28 with 80+ PAs

20th Kike CF (23) (26th out of 29 with 110+ PAs)

23rd JBJ RF (27)

26th Verduo LF (28) (30 out of 32 w 110+ PAs)

32nd Dalbec 1B (32)

 

[Hitch]

For reasons I'm not sure of, I feel like we're about to turn it around and go on a big run.

 

Never doubt the feelings!!

[Yaz Fan Since 67]

WE'RE BACK!

 

Damn that was fun last night, it's been a fun few weeks.

[a700hitter]

The Yankees pick up Matt Carpenter today and he scored a run in the 6th inning to put the Yanks ahead of Tampa. Could he be worse than our pathetic 1B platoon?

[moonslav59]

The Yankees pick up Matt Carpenter today and he scored a run in the 6th inning to put the Yanks ahead of Tampa. Could he be worse than our pathetic 1B platoon?

 

Our 1Bmen have a a whopping .686 OPS since May 13th! (.693 since May 14th)

[a700hitter]

Our 1Bmen have a a whopping .686 OPS since May 13th! (.693 since May 14th)

And that is a major improvement.

[notin]

The Yankees pick up Matt Carpenter today and he scored a run in the 6th inning to put the Yanks ahead of Tampa. Could he be worse than our pathetic 1B platoon?

 

Yes.

 

Carpenter has a .605 OPS (70 OPS+) since 2020 and has no MLB plate appearances this season before tonight.

 

Cordero has a modest 98 OPS+…

[a700hitter]

Yes.

 

Carpenter has a .605 OPS (70 OPS+) since 2020 and has no MLB plate appearances this season before tonight.

 

Cordero has a modest 98 OPS+…

Maybe Carpenter has nothing left, but even as an empty shell, he isn’t much worse than our guys. If he has managed to fix himself, he is much better than them. He would be worth a week long trial.

[moonslav59]

Maybe Carpenter has nothing left, but even as an empty shell, he isn’t much worse than our guys. If he has managed to fix himself, he is much better than them. He would be worth a week long trial.

 

You assume Cordero and Dalbec can't fix themselves.

[a700hitter]

You assume Cordero and Dalbec can't fix themselves.

They have no track record to know what fixed looks like. This may be them fixed. Matt Carpenter was an All Star.

[notin]

They have no track record to know what fixed looks like. This may be them fixed. Matt Carpenter was an All Star.

 

Matt Carpenter hasn’t been an All Star since 2016. Other All Stars that year include David Ortiz, Carlos Beltran and Mark Trumbo…

[a700hitter]

Matt Carpenter hasn’t been an All Star since 2016. Other All Stars that year include David Ortiz, Carlos Beltran and Mark Trumbo…

In 2018, he hit 36 HRs and had an .897 OPS. He had a very consistently excellent career until 2019. I think he is worth a 1 or 2 week trial.

[a700hitter]

Our hitters have heated up, but so are hitters on other teams. Our pitchers ERAs are bound to go up. Will they be better than league average, or will they be exposed?

[MADSTORK]

Signs of life for you pink hats! Still a long long ways to go..

Nice to see Orlando swinging for the fences with a Long Island Ducks signing

 

Casas out

Dalbec’s been out all season

 

Josh Bell rumors heating up, make the call!

[dgalehouse]

Signs of life for you pink hats! Still a long long ways to go..

Nice to see Orlando swinging for the fences with a Long Island Ducks signing

 

Casas out

Dalbec’s been out all season

 

Josh Bell rumors heating up, make the call!

 

Josh Bell would be a major acquisition. He could do a lot of damage in the Sox lineup. I would definitely go for it.

[vegasbob]

Would it occur to anyone that Casas is being developed by the same minor league system that most recently gave us Chavis and Dalbec in a similar role? I assume Devers did not listen to his coaching.

[moonslav59]

Would it occur to anyone that Casas is being developed by the same minor league system that most recently gave us Chavis and Dalbec in a similar role? I assume Devers did not listen to his coaching.

 

Neither were ever ranked in the top 100.

[vegasbob]

Neither were ever ranked in the top 100.

 

The implication is that the Red Sox system and coaching at the MiLB levels may be suspect in their development of young players . Perhaps one of Bloom's less noticeable efforts might be to better the minor league development process , in addition to stocking and retaining better prospects. We have often questioned why the Sox have failed to develop young pitchers into rotation regulars over a large number of years. The same may be true of position players . Drafting choices and draft position also affects outcomes.

 

On the current team , Devers and Vazquez are the only regular position players developed internally. Devers is a generational talent, Vaz is a steady if not great contributor .

[moonslav59]

The implication is that the Red Sox system and coaching at the MiLB levels may be suspect in their development of young players . Perhaps one of Bloom's less noticeable efforts might be to better the minor league development process , in addition to stocking and retaining better prospects. We have often questioned why the Sox have failed to develop young pitchers into rotation regulars over a large number of years. The same may be true of position players . Drafting choices and draft position also affects outcomes.

 

On the current team , Devers and Vazquez are the only regular position players developed internally. Devers is a generational talent, Vaz is a steady if not great contributor .

 

You forgot Bogey and JBJ (I guess you can say he is a platoon player).

 

I think "the system" has undergone enough changes over the last 2-5 years to maybe not think it will continue as it did for so many years.

 

We've already seen the best stats by 5-6 of our top pitching stats not seen for as long as I remember. Will that translate into some ML quality pitchers? We'll see, but I like what I'm seeing.

 

Also, why only look at developed players on the current team? Doesn't developing players that are good but were tarded to other games, still count as positive player development?

 

Betts

Beni

Chavis (doing well, now)

Margot

Moncada

Rizzo

 

[notin]

The implication is that the Red Sox system and coaching at the MiLB levels may be suspect in their development of young players . Perhaps one of Bloom's less noticeable efforts might be to better the minor league development process , in addition to stocking and retaining better prospects. We have often questioned why the Sox have failed to develop young pitchers into rotation regulars over a large number of years. The same may be true of position players . Drafting choices and draft position also affects outcomes.

 

On the current team , Devers and Vazquez are the only regular position players developed internally. Devers is a generational talent, Vaz is a steady if not great contributor .

 

 

One of the reasons the Sox failed to develop any young pitchers is that it’s a myth based on double standards.

 

Fans who repeat this myth only count pitchers drafted/signed by Boston and pitch for Boston. And they always ignore the ones traded away, like Masterson, Hagadone, Kopech, Presey, etc. I suppose if they also counted the ones the Sox acquired like ERod, I could see the point.

 

And the notion that Sox coaching/development ruined Chavis and Dalbec and (before them) Middlebrooks ignores a really obvious flaw - all these players made the majors, something that is not the given that many fans seem to think…

[vegasbob]

You forgot Bogey and JBJ (I guess you can say he is a platoon player).

 

I think "the system" has undergone enough changes over the last 2-5 years to maybe not think it will continue as it did for so many years.

 

We've already seen the best stats by 5-6 of our top pitching stats not seen for as long as I remember. Will that translate into some ML quality pitchers? We'll see, but I like what I'm seeing.

 

Also, why only look at developed players on the current team? Doesn't developing players that are good but were tarded to other games, still count as positive player development?

 

Betts

Beni

Chavis (doing well, now)

Margot

Moncada

Rizzo

 

Certainly Bogaerts is a success of the system . It would be interesting to ask guys like Chavis and Benintendi what has led them to get on track or back to their potential . Is it just some maturity or playing in a lower expectation market that allowed them to breath easier and relax. JBJr could address what he thought happened in 2021 to him, and now how it feels back in Boston. He did get paid (like homegrown Barnes) but isn't a start level player. His longevity certifies his status as a MLB caliber player.

Betts would have been a star almost anywhere but he has had some inconsistencies in LA , getting hot once again though. Rizzo and Moncada could both be steady Eddies at Fenway but led to other players coming in and titles won, so who knows.

[notin]

Certainly Bogaerts is a success of the system . It would be interesting to ask guys like Chavis and Benintendi what has led them to get on track or back to their potential . Is it just some maturity or playing in a lower expectation market that allowed them to breath easier and relax. JBJr could address what he thought happened in 2021 to him, and now how it feels back in Boston. He did get paid (like homegrown Barnes) but isn't a start level player. His longevity certifies his status as a MLB caliber player.

Betts would have been a star almost anywhere but he has had some inconsistencies in LA , getting hot once again though. Rizzo and Moncada could both be steady Eddies at Fenway but led to other players coming in and titles won, so who knows.

 

It’s interesting that Betts would have been a star anywhere.

 

Betts was drafted in the fifth round and was the 172nd player chosen in 2011.

 

If he was such a obvious star talent who was going to succeed anywhere, why did he get passed over 171 times?