A Realistic View at 2022: Part III

[Old Red]

I could care less what Tony M******* ever says. He just knows how to state the obvious. It doesn't take much of a baseball mind to figure out that 11-20 ain't good.

 

It’s not just Tony Mass who is saying it, and if you go out on the many venues that I do you don’t get all the I trust Bloom, and Cora, and they know what they are doing that you get on here. Lots of anger, and frustration, and blame, and at this point the Red Sox deserve all of it.

[mvp 78]

I could care less what Tony M******* ever says. He just knows how to state the obvious. It doesn't take much of a baseball mind to figure out that 11-20 ain't good.

 

What a surprise that the year NESN adds him to the broadcast that the entire product becomes unwatchable. Good job guys!

[Old Red]

What a surprise that the year NESN adds him to the broadcast that the entire product becomes unwatchable. Good job guys!

 

I think Tony Mass does a good job, but if he is unwatchable to you OB is to me. He is no Donny O.

[Old Red]

What a surprise that the year NESN adds him to the broadcast that the entire product becomes unwatchable. Good job guys!

 

NESN ratings are so low, because of the product on the field not who is in the booth.

[JDavis76]

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[JDavis76]

NESN ratings are so low, because of the product on the field not who is in the booth.

 

Bingo

[mvp 78]

I think Tony Mass does a good job, but if he is unwatchable to you OB is to me. He is no Donny O.

 

I am no OB fan. The TBS product the other night was very enjoyable IMO.

[mvp 78]

NESN ratings are so low, because of the product on the field not who is in the booth.

 

I think it's both, honestly. I think you can have a mediocre product on the field, but people will still tune in if they enjoy who they are listening to.

 

When I lived in LA, I listened to Dodgers games all the time. I didn't care about the Dodgers in the least. I didn't care about their players or whether they won or lost. I just liked listening to the GOAT, Vin Scully.

[Old Red]

I think it's both, honestly. I think you can have a mediocre product on the field, but people will still tune in if they enjoy who they are listening to.

 

When I lived in LA, I listened to Dodgers games all the time. I didn't care about the Dodgers in the least. I didn't care about their players or whether they won or lost. I just liked listening to the GOAT, Vin Scully.

 

NESN rating were down last year too until the end of the year, and I liked Scully too. Back in the day you could pick up lots of the baseball markets on the old AM transistor and listen to the Ernie Harwells,and Bob Princes and many other great announcers back then.

[Old Red]

I am no OB fan. The TBS product the other night was very enjoyable IMO.

 

Somebody wanted OB in, and pushed Donny O out.

[mvp 78]

Somebody wanted OB in, and pushed Donny O out.

 

The muppet man, Tom Werner. I believe he was also the architect of the Pablo Sandoval era.

[Nick]

NESN rating were down last year too until the end of the year, and I liked Scully too. Back in the day you could pick up lots of the baseball markets on the old AM transistor and listen to the Ernie Harwells,and Bob Princes and many other great announcers back then.

 

I do remember that. I'd channel 'surf' and pick up a random game.

[jad]

I think it's both, honestly. I think you can have a mediocre product on the field, but people will still tune in if they enjoy who they are listening to.

 

When I lived in LA, I listened to Dodgers games all the time. I didn't care about the Dodgers in the least. I didn't care about their players or whether they won or lost. I just liked listening to the GOAT, Vin Scully.

 

Yup. Me too. And then they got Mookie.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Bogaerts just said he's open to negotiations during the season. That doesn't sound like a guy who wants to leave Boston.

 

Most of us view the Story deal and the pretend extension to Xander as the look of a front office ready to move on. But now, if there are no subsequent offers from the Sox, get ready for the big purge...

 

In describing what he wants, Bogey only used the same word once said by Betts a few years ago: a "fair" offer. It can be assumed that each expected fair market value, to get paid at current industry rates commensurate with players of their caliber.

 

And for those convinced Mookie wanted out of Boston, remember the day after he was traded that Jim Rice on NESN quoted Betts from a personal phone call: "This is where I want to be."

[Bellhorn04]

Bogaerts just said he's open to negotiations during the season. That doesn't sound like a guy who wants to leave Boston.

 

Most of us view the Story deal and the pretend extension to Xander as the look of a front office ready to move on. But now, if there are no subsequent offers from the Sox, get ready for the big purge...

 

In describing what he wants, Bogey only used the same word once said by Betts a few years ago: a "fair" offer. It can be assumed that each expected fair market value, to get paid at current industry rates commensurate with players of their caliber.

 

And for those convinced Mookie wanted out of Boston, remember the day after he was traded that Jim Rice on NESN quoted Betts from a personal phone call: "This is where I want to be."

 

The only thing is, "fair market value" is a matter of opinion. There's no consistency at all in the deals guys get.

 

Seager got $325 million.

Correa, who is 5 months younger and has a higher career WAR, got $105 million (with opt-outs each year).

 

That's a wild disparity for two similar players.

 

It's not a rational market.

Edited May 16, 2022 by Bellhorn04

[Bellhorn04]

And for those convinced Mookie wanted out of Boston, remember the day after he was traded that Jim Rice on NESN quoted Betts from a personal phone call: "This is where I want to be."

 

Words are cheap. Actions are more telling.

 

Mookie didn't have to sign an extension with the Dodgers. We all thought he was one of those guys who wanted to take the risk and get to free agency.

 

Seems like he wanted to be in LA, does it not?

[notin]

Words are cheap. Actions are more telling.

 

Mookie didn't have to sign an extension with the Dodgers. We all thought he was one of those guys who wanted to take the risk and get to free agency.

 

Seems like he wanted to be in LA, does it not?

 

Tough to say. We were two months of cancelled games into the season when he finally signed. If the Dodgers were the goal, he certainly strung them along for a while…

[Bellhorn04]

Tough to say. We were two months of cancelled games into the season when he finally signed. If the Dodgers were the goal, he certainly strung them along for a while…

 

Do you know when the Dodgers presented the offer?

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

The only thing is, "fair market value" is a matter of opinion. There's no consistency at all in the deals guys get.

 

Seager got $325 million.

Correa, who is 5 months younger and has a higher career WAR, got $105 million (with opt-outs each year).

 

That's a wild disparity for two similar players.

 

It's not a rational market.

 

Therein lies the futility of talking numbers when it comes to dollar signs. Just consider the debates here: Well, he may be worth $20 million, but no one deserves $30 million to play a kid's game!

 

MLB may be irrational, but it's full of young men -- many without business degrees -- who hire successful agents to get them the best possible rations.

[notin]

Do you know when the Dodgers presented the offer?

 

No. I would assume negotiations began shortly after the trade because I doubt the Dodgers viewed Mookie as a one season rental.

[Bellhorn04]

No. I would assume negotiations began shortly after the trade because I doubt the Dodgers viewed Mookie as a one season rental.

 

You're assuming facts not in evidence.

[Bellhorn04]

Therein lies the futility of talking numbers when it comes to dollar signs. Just consider the debates here: Well, he may be worth $20 million, but no one deserves $30 million to play a kid's game!

 

MLB may be irrational, but it's full of young men -- many without business degrees -- who hire successful agents to get them the best possible rations.

 

Right, but why did Seager score and Correa get left on the sidelines? Blind luck, perhaps?

[notin]

Do you know when the Dodgers presented the offer?

 

I suppose it’s very possible Mookie had no intention of signing with LA. But after some 50 games of his option year were cancelled and there was no end in sight, he reconsidered his position.

 

Did that happen? We’ll never know. Possible? Certainly…

[notin]

Right, but why did Seager score and Correa get left on the sidelines? Blind luck, perhaps?

 

Word got out that Correa spends his winters throwing rocks at old people?

[Bellhorn04]

Word got out that Correa spends his winters throwing rocks at old people?

 

This is supposed to be a serious discussion!

[notin]

You're assuming facts not in evidence.

 

Totally assuming.

 

But it is a very common practice. Like happened with Lindor one year before.

 

It makes sense to know what their budget would be as early as possible since they didn’t know there would be a pandemic and probably wanted to make other moves that they needed to know whether or not they could afford..

[notin]

This is supposed to be a serious discussion!

 

And throwing rocks at old people is such frivolous behavior…

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Right, but why did Seager score and Correa get left on the sidelines? Blind luck, perhaps?

 

All we can do is do what we do: speculate (this is why some posters need to relax... unless, of course, they're secret agents planted here by the Red Sox PR dept).

 

With Seager, maybe there was a bidding war -- it only takes two. And maybe, both were division rivals...

 

... or one was the Yankees, who maybe preferred Seager for his lefty swing to aim at jokefield in Yankee Stadium... and for his non-Correa villainous Astro history. If there was any club that had reason to avoid Carlos, it was NY, especially after he dissed Jeter's D (omg).

 

Btw: re. Story, we really shouldn't be that surprised by his horrendous nightly swings and misses -- now in his 7th year, his 162-game average is 190 strikeouts. When I was a kid, Bobby Bonds set the all-time single season K record with 189 in 1970. The bigger problem with Story is he almost has twice as many whiffs as hits: 41 to 22.

 

But a bigger total shock has to be Marcus Semien, with only 20 hits, zero home runs, and a .157 batting average. This was a star hitter who not only just set the all-time HR record for second basemen, but a guy who was third in MVP voting for two different teams in two different cities the last two full years (no Coors factor there).

[moonslav59]

All we can do is do what we do: speculate (this is why some posters need to relax... unless, of course, they're secret agents planted here by the Red Sox PR dept).

 

With Seager, maybe there was a bidding war -- it only takes two. And maybe, both were division rivals...

 

... or one was the Yankees, who maybe preferred Seager for his lefty swing to aim at jokefield in Yankee Stadium... and for his non-Correa villainous Astro history. If there was any club that had reason to avoid Carlos, it was NY, especially after he dissed Jeter's D (omg).

 

Btw: re. Story, we really shouldn't be that surprised by his horrendous nightly swings and misses -- now in his 7th year, his 162-game average is 190 strikeouts. When I was a kid, Bobby Bonds set the all-time single season K record with 189 in 1970. The bigger problem with Story is he almost has twice as many whiffs as hits: 41 to 22.

 

But a bigger total shock has to be Marcus Semien, with only 20 hits, zero home runs, and a .157 batting average. This was a star hitter who not only just set the all-time HR record for second basemen, but a guy who was third in MVP voting for two different teams in two different cities the last two full years (no Coors factor there).

 

It's still early, and hitting is down across the board. I think these guys will all rebound. How far is yet to be determined.

[JDavis76]

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