Fire Bloom .

[notin]

Yeh, but the farm system ranking is better. It doesn’t matter if the big league club is better.

 

Maybe not in 2022. Do you think it never will?

[Old Red]

Ok, I’ll bite.

 

What other things did Bloom do to alienate the clubhouse?

 

And we don’t know what Bogaerts asked for because there was no counter offer, something you defended because you perceived X to be insulted, but in reality is a years-long Scott Boras negotiation tactic…

We’ve gone through this 34 times already. Bogey’s people were not going to counter offer a ridiculous offer like that. Maybe you would have, but not Boras.

[Old Red]

Maybe not in 2022. Do you think it never will?

 

I’m only concerned with 2022 right now. I don’t like wasting years away even if it’s only 1.

[notin]

We’ve gone through this 34 times already. Bogey’s people were not going to counter offer a ridiculous offer like that. Maybe you would have, but not Boras.

 

Boras wouldn’t have countered any offer unless it was the number Bogaerts wanted. That’s how he operates.

 

Also - other ways Bloom alienated the clubhouse?

[notin]

I’m only concerned with 2022 right now. I don’t like wasting years away even if it’s only 1.

 

The GMs job is to worry about those other years as well. Just because you don’t like it doesn’t change that…

[dgalehouse]

I take it you believe the injuries to the pitching staff have no bearing on the team ERA which is next to worst in the AL and that ERA in turn has no bearing on being 2 games below .500? To remind--for the thousandth time--the Sox are paying Price, Sale, and Eovaldi $63M and all together they have contributed a combined WAR of 1.0 this season.

 

About Price. His combined/total WAR in his so far six seasons @$30M/year = $180M is 11.0, which means the Sox and Dodgers have/are paid/paying him $16M for every 1 WAR of performance. How about Mookie, you ask? In his 5 1/3 seasons with the Sox he was paid $33M in return for which he delivered seasons of 2.3 WAR, 6.1 WAR, 9.5 WAR, 6.4 WAR, 10.7 WAR, and 7.3 WAR--a total of 42.3 WAR. The Sox paid him $33M for all 5 seasons. He's now on his 3d season @$30M per season ($365M for 12 seasons), and so far he's delivered a combined WAR of 2.6, 3.7, and 3.6--10 WAR total. So the Dodgers have paid him $90M to deliver a total WAR of 10. That's better than Price, but still woeful in comparison to what the Sox got for him.

 

About your claim that Price is better than the Sox "bums." Last year and this year the Sox paid or are paying him $16M each year to deliver a WAR of +0.6 for last year and the .+0.6 this year.

 

Among Sox starters this year, Wacha's WAR is 3.2, Pivetta's is 2.6, Whitlock's (yes, he was a starter) is 1.8, Houck's is 1.6, Eovaldi's is .9, Crawford's is .5, Hill's and Winckowski's are both .1, and Sale's is 0 (for which he is getting $30M). So, me, I'm thinking I'll take your bet. Oh, wait. You didn't bet anything.

 

For the umpteenth time; the Sox are paying half of Price's salary because that is what Bloom agreed to do. I am not interested in all of the WAR numbers. But I will keep your post in mind tonight. I might be able to skip the Sominex tablet.

[Old Red]

A big chunk of that money ($104 mill) is tied up on Sale, Price, Eovaldi, Bogaerts and Martinez, none of whom Bloom signed…

 

Wasn’t they all signed in 2019 for the most part?

[Old Red]

Boras wouldn’t have countered any offer unless it was the number Bogaerts wanted. That’s how he operates.

 

Also - other ways Bloom alienated the clubhouse?

 

Was you not around at the trade deadline?

[Bellhorn04]

Wasn’t they all signed in 2019 for the most part?

 

Price 2016

Martinez 2018

The others 2019

All DD contracts

[Old Red]

The GMs job is to worry about those other years as well. Just because you don’t like it doesn’t change that…

 

That’s if you plan on being around a long time, which hopefully Bloom is not.

[Bobe2]

Yeh, but the farm system ranking is better. It doesn’t matter if the big league club is better.

 

Yea they went from 24th to 19th, a good farm doesn’t necessarily mean a good team look at the pirates, 8th best farm

[JDavis76]

Hey orlando supporters, do you know what all the spin you spew on here get's you?

 

Last place, 2 games under .500 and a farm ranked one spot ahead of the Yanks who have traded off 24 of their prospects in the last year......

 

Farm system rankings 2022 midseason

WWW.MLB.COM

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Adley Rutschman was one of the main reasons why the Orioles topped MLB Pipeline's farm system rankings at midseason in 2021 and again entering this season. Baseball's best catching prospect in years, he has made a case for being the game's best catcher since arriving in Baltimore in late May

[notin]

Was you not around at the trade deadline?

 

The players all admitted it was their job to avoid the firesale…

[Old Red]

Price 2016

Martinez 2018

The others 2019

All DD contracts

 

That’s the point that was being made that payroll went up after 2019.

[Old Red]

The players all admitted it was their job to avoid the firesale…

 

Yes they did, but that’s not what happened to cause some discontent in the clubhouse that Bloom tried to sooth over, but it didn’t work.

[Bellhorn04]

That’s the point that was being made that payroll went up after 2019.

 

Well, that point was wrong. The 2019 payroll was the team's highest ever for tax purposes. $243.6 mill + $13.4 mill tax.

 

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Iy3ZKDU_Crd0CkaVHLtK37bkFHmuDsICAyswsKrZXAk/edit#gid=1520401900

[notin]

That’s if you plan on being around a long time, which hopefully Bloom is not.

 

 

It’s every GMs job.

 

Fans like the “quick fix heavy spend types” because of the immediate results, but when all the bills come due and the players age, suddenly they conveniently forget 7 year contracts last for 7 years, and they want more quick fix heavy spending…

[Old Red]

Yea they went from 24th to 19th, a good farm doesn’t necessarily mean a good team look at the pirates, 8th best farm

 

You have to convince the supporters not me.

[Old Red]

It’s every GMs job.

 

Fans like the “quick fix heavy spend types” because of the immediate results, but when all the bills come due and the players age, suddenly they conveniently forget 7 year contracts last for 7 years, and they want more quick fix heavy spending…

Someone on here wanted to give Mookie 14 yrs.

[Bellhorn04]

Yes they did, but that’s not what happened to cause some discontent in the clubhouse that Bloom tried to sooth over, but it didn’t work.

 

The team hasn't played worse since the deadline than it was playing before the deadline.

[JDavis76]

You have to convince the supporters not me.

 

I think from here on out we will refer to the bloom supporters as the Spin Doctors.....

[dgalehouse]

No doubt everyone has their own particular reasons for liking Bloom. And that is not about to change. But here is how others see it ; A successful G.M. is fired after three good years and one sub-par season. New guy comes in and the team gets considerably worse. All we hear are reasons/excuses why it is not the new guy's fault. Even after three years. The buck stops where?

[notin]

Yes they did, but that’s not what happened to cause some discontent in the clubhouse that Bloom tried to sooth over, but it didn’t work.

 

He traded away two players from the MLB roster, one of whom every fan was glad to see go. He even told Bogaerts he wouldn’t be traded.

 

Had he gutted the team, that sends a white flag message. Would that have been better?

[Maxbialystock]

I’m only concerned with 2022 right now. I don’t like wasting years away even if it’s only 1.

 

Well goody for you. I'm disappointed this year, but, unlike you, I see how the pitching staff has been almost wiped out by injuries, which is why the team ERA is 14th of 15 AL teams. So, frankly, I'm amazed the Sox are only 2 games below .500.

 

How can you call yourself "Old Red"--thereby suggesting you're a long-time Sox fan, and not be completely ecstatic with the John Henry era? I was a Sox fan from 1949 to 2003, 54 years of the 86 year WS drought, and am absolutely thrilled with the turnaround.

 

You also studiously ignore last year, when the Sox got all the way to the ALCS--beating the Yankees in the wild card and taking 3 of 4 in the ALDS from the 100 win Rays before going down to the Astros, 4 games to 2. Why does 2021 have no relevance to this discussion?

[Bellhorn04]

No doubt everyone has their own particular reasons for liking Bloom. And that is not about to change. But here is how others see it ; A successful G.M. is fired after three good years and one sub-par season. New guy comes in and the team gets considerably worse. All we hear are reasons/excuses why it is not the new guy's fault. Even after three years. The buck stops where?

 

The man you should be blaming is Henry. He fired Dave and hired Chaim. He obviously wanted to go in a different direction team-building wise. He's the guy pulling the strings. Maybe he's impatient, or hasty, or disloyal, or something. I don't know. Bloom is his 4th head of ops since 2003.

 

Look at the Yankees on the other hand. Cashman seems to have a lifetime contract, even though the Yankees have only won one pennant since 2003.

[notin]

No doubt everyone has their own particular reasons for liking Bloom. And that is not about to change. But here is how others see it ; A successful G.M. is fired after three good years and one sub-par season. New guy comes in and the team gets considerably worse. All we hear are reasons/excuses why it is not the new guy's fault. Even after three years. The buck stops where?

 

 

It’s not fantasy re-draft. A new GM doesn’t walk into a clean slate and just build. DD entered a very favorable situation in which the team had a good farm loaded with prospects other teams wanted, a glut of talented pre-arb players, and an unlimited budget.

 

He did what he was supposed to do. He built a great team. But he also left an aftermath of big, ugly deals and younger players getting more expensive. Someone had to clean up that mess and get a new team going forward. You keep saying “it’s been 3 years” like there was a single contract in that time that was that short. The Sox are still paying off 2018 and 2019…

[Bellhorn04]

It’s not fantasy re-draft. A new GM doesn’t walk into a clean slate and just build. DD entered a very favorable situation in which the team had a good farm loaded with prospects other teams wanted, a glut of talented pre-arb players, and an unlimited budget.

 

He did what he was supposed to do. He built a great team. But he also left an aftermath of big, ugly deals and younger players getting more expensive. Someone had to clean up that mess and get a new team going forward. You keep saying “it’s been 3 years” like there was a single contract in that time that was that short. The Sox are still paying off 2018 and 2019…

 

And Mr. Galehouse steadfastly ignores my point about DD winning 0 titles in 14 years with his previous team...

 

Will he say "I don't care about other teams!"? That's always a good one...

[Maxbialystock]

For the umpteenth time; the Sox are paying half of Price's salary because that is what Bloom agreed to do. I am not interested in all of the WAR numbers. But I will keep your post in mind tonight. I might be able to skip the Sominex tablet.

 

The WAR numbers are the only means, albeit imperfect, of evaluating a player's overall value for a season and even for a career.

 

As for Price, when his WAR's the past two seasons have been +0.6 and +0.6, dumping half of his salary on the Dodgers was freaking genius. Get out the duck boats, and let's have a parade honoring Chaim Bloom! He also avoided paying Mookie Betts $365M ($30M per year) for performing at less than half the level he played at when playing for the Sox.

[Old Red]

It’s not fantasy re-draft. A new GM doesn’t walk into a clean slate and just build. DD entered a very favorable situation in which the team had a good farm loaded with prospects other teams wanted, a glut of talented pre-arb players, and an unlimited budget.

 

He did what he was supposed to do. He built a great team. But he also left an aftermath of big, ugly deals and younger players getting more expensive. Someone had to clean up that mess and get a new team going forward. You keep saying “it’s been 3 years” like there was a single contract in that time that was that short. The Sox are still paying off 2018 and 2019…

 

DD is getting blamed for leaving younger players who are getting more expensive? Wow! That’s a good one, and a new one.

[dgalehouse]

The man you should be blaming is Henry. He fired Dave and hired Chaim. He obviously wanted to go in a different direction team-building wise. He's the guy pulling the strings. Maybe he's impatient, or hasty, or disloyal, or something. I don't know. Bloom is his 4th head of ops since 2003.

 

Look at the Yankees on the other hand. Cashman seems to have a lifetime contract, even though the Yankees have only won one pennant since 2003.

 

We certainly don't know everything that goes on in the organization. If it is true, that Henry ordered Bloom to trade Mookie and slash the payroll, and would not let him spend to improve the team , then Henry should stand up and say , " Don't blame Bloom , this is all on me. Bloom is doing exactly what I hired him to do." As for Cashman , He has been around so long , I think the Steinbrenners almost regard him as part of the family.