Fire Bloom .

[mvp 78]

Credit the 2021 Red Sox with falling only two wins shy of the World Series, a feat the Seattle Mariners have not accomplished since 2000.

 

However, over the past three regular seasons the Mariners are 30 games above .500 at 207-177 while the Red Sox are four games above .500 at 194-190.

 

The Red Sox may or may not close the gap. The resilient Sox have a history of making Houdini-like escapes from the last-place cage. It could happen again.

 

Wishing the best for our favorite teams.

 

I love arbitrary ending points. Now do the last 4 years! Just add one extra year and tell me what it looks like!

[mvp 78]

I think 5 is the number you're looking for.

 

Wins last 4 seasons:

SEA 275

BOS 278

[Old Red]

I love arbitrary ending points. Now do the last 4 years! Just add one extra year and tell me what it looks like!

 

Add an extra 4th year to make Bloom’s record look better? After 2023 I think Bloom’s 4 years will not be as good as DD 4 years.

[mvp 78]

Add an extra 4th year to make Bloom’s record look better? After 2023 I think Bloom’s 4 years will not be as good as DD 4 years.

 

I think he's trying to get up to Ben Cherington levels right now. Around these parts, he was called Ben the Boob and coffee boy. The Boobs looked great in 2013, but were jacked up the other years. Maybe it was beer goggles? IDK.

[MADSTORK]

Bloom the bust continues the “great value” shopping at Walmart , priceless

[Hugh2]

Bloom the bust continues the “great value” shopping at Walmart , priceless

 

Is this your weekly/monthly drive by posting?

[moonslav59]

Add an extra 4th year to make Bloom’s record look better?

 

This was about comparing BOS vs SEA. harmony chose the sample size that made SEA looks better (3 years.)

 

Not every post is about Bloom.

[harmony]

This was about comparing BOS vs SEA. harmony chose the sample size that made SEA looks better (3 years.)

 

Not every post is about Bloom.

Granted the distant fourth year made the Red Sox look better.

 

How much weight should be assigned to each of the four years? Should 2019 be given the same weight as 2022 in considering the current status of each franchise?

[Bellhorn04]

Granted the distant fourth year made the Red Sox look better.

 

How much weight should be assigned to each of the four years? Should 2019 be given the same weight as 2022 in considering the current status of each franchise?

 

It's all arbitrary. Everybody picks the cherries they like.

[harmony]

It's all arbitrary. Everybody picks the cherries they like.

Three years placed the Red Sox in a better light than the one most recent year.

[Bellhorn04]

Three years placed the Red Sox in a better light than the one most recent year.

 

Sure. But what's the great significance of that?

 

I started a thread about the most successful teams of this century which I thought revealed some interesting results.

 

The Red Sox and Giants have the most titles while the Yankees and Dodgers have the best regular season records. So who wins? Everyone would have their own answer.

 

I think you have to be looking at a 10 year window going back at least. But that's just me.

[mvp 78]

Three years placed the Red Sox in a better light than the one most recent year.

 

No it didn’t. Sox were worse than the M’s in 2020. It made the Sox look worse.

[mvp 78]

Why not 2 years and ignore the fake short season?

[moonslav59]

Granted the distant fourth year made the Red Sox look better.

 

How much weight should be assigned to each of the four years? Should 2019 be given the same weight as 2022 in considering the current status of each franchise?

 

Assign the weight that is just enough to make SEA come out on top.

 

BTW, 3 years is "distant," too. Almost as distant as 4 years!

 

[harmony]

No it didn’t. Sox were worse than the M’s in 2020. It made the Sox look worse.

Over the three-year period the Red Sox winning percentage trailed the Mariner winning percentage only .505 to .539, making the Sox look better than the 2022 difference of .481 to .556.

Edited December 4, 2022 by harmony

[harmony]

Why not 2 years and ignore the fake short season?

Skipping the shortened 2020 season, over the last two seasons the Red Sox have posted a 170-154 record and the Mariners a 180-144 record.

[moonslav59]

Will the Mariners try to make sure the Rangers stay behind them by going big splash, too?

[harmony]

Will the Mariners try to make sure the Rangers stay behind them by going big splash, too?

The American League West is poised to become an even tougher division.

 

Just a wild guess but the Mariners are likely to call Scott Boras about a short-term contract for one of his lefthand-hitting outfielders in Michael Conforto, Cody Bellinger or Joey Gallo.

 

Seattle is unlikely to pursue the top free agents who will command long-term contracts because the Mariners currently have MLB's third-highest payroll commitment from 2024 on. Long-term contracts on top of those already given Julio Rodriguez, Robbie Ray, Luis Castillo and J.P. Crawford would limit the M's ability to extend the young core of George Kirby, Logan Gilbert and Cal Raleigh when that trio reaches arbitration.

 

The Mariners have already executed three trades in what should be an interesting offseason.

[harmony]

Sure. But what's the great significance of that?

 

I started a thread about the most successful teams of this century which I thought revealed some interesting results.

 

The Red Sox and Giants have the most titles while the Yankees and Dodgers have the best regular season records. So who wins? Everyone would have their own answer.

 

I think you have to be looking at a 10 year window going back at least. But that's just me.

History has its place.

 

So do current affairs.

[moonslav59]

The American League West is poised to become an even tougher division.

 

Just a wild guess but the Mariners are likely to call Scott Boras about a short-term contract for one of his lefthand-hitting outfielders in Michael Conforto, Cody Bellinger or Joey Gallo.

 

Seattle is unlikely to pursue the top free agents who will command long-term contracts because the Mariners currently have MLB's third-highest payroll commitment from 2024 on. Long-term contracts on top of those already given Julio Rodriguez, Robbie Ray, Luis Castillo and J.P. Crawford would limit the M's ability to extend the young core of George Kirby, Logan Gilbert and Cal Raleigh when that trio reaches arbitration.

 

The Mariners have already executed three trades in what should be an interesting offseason.

 

I don't think you are done wheeling and dealing. Your window is now.

 

[notin]

History has its place.

 

So do current affairs.

 

The difference between history and current affairs is simply a matter of timing…

[harmony]

I don't think you are done wheeling and dealing. Your window is now.

 

Apparently because the Mariners have traded for Teoscar Hernandez and Kolten Wong, who each come with only one year of team control.

 

If the Mariners stay with the trade route, one year of Gold Glove winner Ian Happ, who posted 3.5 fWAR this year, would cost less than three years of Bryan Reynolds, who posted 2.9 fWAR this year.

 

Seattle executive Jerry Dipoto has probably made calls on the switch-hitting NL Central outfielders born five months apart.

[moonslav59]

Apparently because the Mariners have traded for Teoscar Hernandez and Kolten Wong, who each come with only one year of team control.

 

If the Mariners stay with the trade route, one year of Gold Glove winner Ian Happ, who posted 3.5 fWAR this year, would cost less than three years of Bryan Reynolds, who posted 2.9 fWAR this year.

 

Seattle executive Jerry Dipoto has probably made calls on the switch-hitting NL Central outfielders born five months apart.

 

I'm not saying it will be Reynolds, but I think you have one more splash coming. FA or trade.

[moonslav59]

Glad to not hear Kyle Gibson had a deal with the Sox, but chose the O's.

[harmony]

I'm not saying it will be Reynolds, but I think you have one more splash coming. FA or trade.

The Mariners have replaced free agents Mitch Haniger and Adam Frazier with Teoscar Hernandez and Kolten Wong (and replaced deadline acquisitions Curt Casali and Matthew Boyd with Cooper Hummel and Trevor Gott).

 

Seattle has been active in the offseason but, indeed, the Mariners probably are not done.

Edited December 4, 2022 by harmony

[moonslav59]

The Mariners have replaced free agents Mitch Haniger and Adam Frazier with Teoscar Hernandez and Kolten Wong (and deadline acquisitions Curt Casali and Matthew Boyd with Cooper Hummel and Trevor Gott).

 

Seattle has been active in the offseason but, indeed, the Mariners probably are not done.

 

They don't have Boyd anymore, though.

[harmony]

They don't have Boyd anymore, though.

The Mariners replaced free agent Matthew Boyd by signing free agent reliever Trevor Gott on November 30 (and replaced free agent catcher Curt Casali by trading for catcher Cooper Hummel on November 17).

 

Gott, a righthander, probably replaced Erik Swanson, who was dealt in the Teoscar Hernandez trade, not Boyd, a lefthander who preferred a shot at a starting rotation when he signed with Detroit on December 1.

Edited December 4, 2022 by harmony

[moonslav59]

What would you say is the M's weakest two areas and worst two players on the 40?

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

MLB.com reports Marlins shopping Lopez, need offense.

 

BTV accepts Yorke and Murphy for Lopez and Garcia. How hard was that?

[Old Red]

According to Peter Abraham the Red Sox have not made a competitive offer to Bogey, and Bogey is meeting in person with other teams. If the report is true would that surprise anyone?