Fire Bloom .

[moonslav59]

I have said all along $165M/6 starting at $25M, and increasing each year to $30M.

 

Okay. Pretty far from $141M/6 but not too far from $156M/6.

[moonslav59]

Yeah, 6 for around 155 or 160 sounds right to me. Can't really go any higher than that.

 

The fact that he was basically underpaid for a few years makes it hard to consider paying him $5-7M more year and not improve the team from 2023 to 2024 and beyond.

 

It's not his fault, but it's just a reality.

 

Losing his skillset and opening up just $20M a year is not easy to deal with, either.

[notin]

It seems Atlanta doesn’t have any problems.

 

Atlanta has become Tampa North in that regard…

[moonslav59]

Atlanta has become Tampa North in that regard…

 

But, but, but... I thought we didn't want to become Tampa Bay North!

[Hugh2]

If fans are going to be upset if he signs for more than 150-170 and are also upset that the Sox don't resign him, then be prepared to be upset no matter what.

[moonslav59]

I wouldn’t put Whitlock in the same class as Bogey, and Raffy.

 

I wouldn't put Albies, Harris or Acuna in the same class as Bogey & Devers, just yet, either. There-in lies the rub.

 

If you wait until they b ecome the next Bogey or Devers, you won't get them to sign for ...

$100M/8 Acuna

$72M/8 Harris

$35M/7 Albies

 

We took a chance on Whitlock. I like it.

[Hugh2]

My prediction on Bogaerts is $207/8 on the high end and $178/7 on the low end.

[moonslav59]

If fans are going to be upset if he signs for more than 150-170 and are also upset that the Sox don't resign him, then be prepared to be upset no matter what.

 

It's a lose-lose situation.

 

I'd like to see Bogey back for the Sox, but if he gets more than $160M/6 somewhere else, I won't be upset, unless we don't spend the money on upgrades elsewhere as well as adding a decent SS to partially make up for the downgrade at SS.

(Also, re-signing Bogey may end up being a downgrade at SS for the remainder of his deal, too. Maybe not.)

[moonslav59]

My prediction on Bogaerts is $207/8 on the high end and $178/7 on the low end.

 

Sounds about right. Both are too high for my liking, but $176M/7 would not bother me, at all.

 

I think gets $200M/8 to $208M/8. He might get $220/9 from some desperate GM.

[harmony]

Sounds about right. Both are too high for my liking, but $176M/7 would not bother me, at all.

 

I think gets $200M/8 to $208M/8. He might get $220/9 from some desperate GM.

Where do the Red Sox rank in terms of desperate MLB front offices?

[a700hitter]

The Royals fired their President. Fire Bloom and give him a chance.

[notin]

Where do the Red Sox rank in terms of desperate MLB front offices?

 

Not high enough for most fans…

[Old Red]

4-5, and 2 steps back.

 

4 games from 500

 

5 games from getting out of last place in the Div.

 

Bring on the big boys, but time is running out.

[cp176]

My guess is that most fans could care less how much Bogaerts gets as long as he stays in Boston. If he leaves - yup there will be lots of questions then. Many fans don't feel the same sense of despair when JH chooses to "overpay" anyone.

[notin]

My guess is that most fans could care less how much Bogaerts gets as long as he stays in Boston. If he leaves - yup there will be lots of questions then. Many fans don't feel the same sense of despair when JH chooses to "overpay" anyone.

 

No, most fans don’t care. But most fans don’t really acknowledge the finances, know or care about payroll or luxury taxes, and think the Red Sox print money and therefore should never have any sort of spending limit.

 

But that isn’t make any of it true.

 

I’d like Bogaerts back, but I believe of they pay him too much money, it makes it difficult to pay for other players. And while I want him back, I acknowledge the risks…

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

No, most fans don’t care. But most fans don’t really acknowledge the finances, know or care about payroll or luxury taxes, and think the Red Sox print money and therefore should never have any sort of spending limit.

 

But that isn’t make any of it true.

 

I’d like Bogaerts back, but I believe of they pay him too much money, it makes it difficult to pay for other players. And while I want him back, I acknowledge the risks…

 

Both of these beliefs are inherently true when it comes to paying any star player. At the same time, fans also don't care if the Red Sox have access to the Bureau of Engraving and Printing, the U.S. Mint or the keys to Fort Knox.

 

The only truths fans really know are what they pay for Fenway tickets, parking, beer, souvenirs, cable TV, etc... and what they see when they look at the American League standings.

[cp176]

No, most fans don’t care. But most fans don’t really acknowledge the finances, know or care about payroll or luxury taxes, and think the Red Sox print money and therefore should never have any sort of spending limit.

 

But that isn’t make any of it true.

 

I’d like Bogaerts back, but I believe of they pay him too much money, it makes it difficult to pay for other players. And while I want him back, I acknowledge the risks…

 

I think that for what 4 or 5 of the posters here, concern over how large a budget JH has or might have is very important. Most of us understand the risks involved by spending too much on any commodity. You are not the only ones. It is just it seems a much much larger concern to some than others. Not caring as much about payroll or luxury taxes does not in any way imply that those of us who don't care as much as you do about them don't understand the implications they might carry. With respect to Bogaerts, as much as I would like to see him come back, I wouldn't blame him if he went elsewhere. At this point in his career, if he wants to play on a winner maybe his best bet is to leave.

[cp176]

Both of these beliefs are inherently true when it comes to paying any star player. At the same time, fans also don't care if the Red Sox have access to the Bureau of Engraving and Printing, the U.S. Mint or the keys to Fort Knox.

 

The only truths fans really know are what they pay for Fenway tickets, parking, beer, souvenirs, cable TV, etc... and what they see when they look at the American League standings.

 

Everything you said here I think is true. it also doesn't make anyone less of a fan if they don't labor over things that they literally have no control over such as the Red Sox supposed budget, payroll, and luxury taxes.

[notin]

I think that for what 4 or 5 of the posters here, concern over how large a budget JH has or might have is very important. Most of us understand the risks involved by spending too much on any commodity. You are not the only ones. It is just it seems a much much larger concern to some than others. Not caring as much about payroll or luxury taxes does not in any way imply that those of us who don't care as much as you do about them don't understand the implications they might carry. With respect to Bogaerts, as much as I would like to see him come back, I wouldn't blame him if he went elsewhere. At this point in his career, if he wants to play on a winner maybe his best bet is to leave.

 

By “most fans” I am referring to people not on this forum. People here are talking baseball in mid-January. While that’s normal here, it’s not normal.

 

As for Bogaerts, I have no idea what he wants. But he does least have two World Series rings to show for playing in Boston, so it’s not like it’s been a stranger to him. But he’s very likely to simply go where the money is. He didn’t hire Scott Boras to find a winning team.

 

The rumors are already swirling about the Cubs (with the Jed Hoyer connection) and the Phillies being the most likely landing spots. So we now know it won’t be either of them…

[notin]

Everything you said here I think is true. it also doesn't make anyone less of a fan if they don't labor over things that they literally have no control over such as the Red Sox supposed budget, payroll, and luxury taxes.

 

 

Honestly it makes them way too weird of a fan if they do labor over those things…

[mvp 78]

The Royals fired their President. Fire Bloom and give him a chance.

 

It took Moore 7 years to get the Royals above .500. They've been below .500 for the past 6 seasons. What makes you think he'd be a good fit here?

[mvp 78]

I think that for what 4 or 5 of the posters here, concern over how large a budget JH has or might have is very important. Most of us understand the risks involved by spending too much on any commodity. You are not the only ones. It is just it seems a much much larger concern to some than others. Not caring as much about payroll or luxury taxes does not in any way imply that those of us who don't care as much as you do about them don't understand the implications they might carry. With respect to Bogaerts, as much as I would like to see him come back, I wouldn't blame him if he went elsewhere. At this point in his career, if he wants to play on a winner maybe his best bet is to leave.

 

If they offered him 25AAV, he probably stays. I believe he's worth more to the Sox than to a new organization.

 

The Sox have a recent history of being a competitive team that wins championships. Leaving because of a down year or two to go elsewhere would be foolhardy.

[Bellhorn04]

Both of these beliefs are inherently true when it comes to paying any star player. At the same time, fans also don't care if the Red Sox have access to the Bureau of Engraving and Printing, the U.S. Mint or the keys to Fort Knox.

 

The only truths fans really know are what they pay for Fenway tickets, parking, beer, souvenirs, cable TV, etc... and what they see when they look at the American League standings.

 

I think most fans are also aware of how much players are getting paid.

[Bellhorn04]

Everything you said here I think is true. it also doesn't make anyone less of a fan if they don't labor over things that they literally have no control over such as the Red Sox supposed budget, payroll, and luxury taxes.

 

That's absolutely true. However, I think when something like trading Mookie Betts happens, most fans want to know why.

[moonslav59]

My guess is that most fans could care less how much Bogaerts gets as long as he stays in Boston. If he leaves - yup there will be lots of questions then. Many fans don't feel the same sense of despair when JH chooses to "overpay" anyone.

 

They'll care (not about finances), if JH tightens the belt and we can't fill holes due to too many big contracts and can't win rings anymore. They'll just blame the coach and GM, over and over.

Edited September 22, 2022 by moonslav59

[Bellhorn04]

I don't think most fans are as in the dark about payroll stuff as is being suggested.

 

Heck, I still remember when the Yankees and Red Sox started signing free agents in the Seventies what a big deal it was. And how we were going up against a filthy rich team who could just grab guys like Catfish and Reggie.

[mvp 78]

They'll care (not about finances0, if JH tightens the belt and we can't fill holes due to too many big contracts. They'll just blame the coach and GM, over and over.

 

If Henry tightens his belt, fans will notice.

[Old Red]

If Henry tightens his belt, fans will notice.

 

If fans tighten the belt JH will notice too.

[moonslav59]

If Henry tightens his belt, fans will notice.

 

Some will, but many will just blame the GM and coach for the losing- not the tight budget due to many top heavy player salaries.

[moonslav59]

If fans tighten the belt JH will notice too.

 

That does seem to force JH to spend more, when his bottom line shrinks.