Fire Bloom .

[Old Red]

Did anyone want them?

 

Not in the condition that their condition was in.

[dgalehouse]

I think a lot of the criticism at the deadline was that he did not sell off , but didn't really go for it either. Seemed indecisive. Trading Vazquez and acquiring Pham and Hosmer were not what you might do if you really wanted to make the playoffs. And getting Hosmer really was an accident.

[moonslav59]

I think a lot of the criticism at the deadline was that he did not sell off , but didn't really go for it either. Seemed indecisive. Trading Vazquez and acquiring Pham and Hosmer were not what you might do if you really wanted to make the playoffs. And getting Hosmer really was an accident.

 

I thought he should traded every free agent to be for anything he felt was better than a comp pick. For those without a QO attached, get the best he can. I'd have even explored asking Bogey to waive his no-trade, if he wanted to try for a ring, somewhere else.

 

I think one major reason he did not do that was to keep a large part of the fan base from getting really upset, and perhaps stop watching or buy tickets to games.

 

The result was not getting under the tax line and not making the fans happy, anyway.

 

That being said, I do think losing Vaz, Diekman and Groome and gaining Pham, McGuire and Hosmer was a slight improvement on the 2022 roster- not shown by results. I think the prospects we gained look better than those we gave up, but that is all speculation based on ratings and ranks of prospects.

Edited August 25, 2022 by moonslav59

[Old Red]

I thought he should traded every free agent to be for anything he felt was better than a comp pick. For those without a QO attached, get the best he can.

 

I think one major reason he did not do that was to keep a large part of the fan base from getting really upset, and perhaps stop watching or buy tickets to games.

 

The result was not getting under the tax line and not making the fans happy, anyway.

 

That being said, I do think losing Vaz, Diekman and Groome and gaining Pham, McGuire and Hosmer was a slight improvement on the 2022 roster- not shown by results. I think the prospects we gained look better than those we gave up, but that is all specualtion based on ratings and ranks of prospects.

Ratings, and ranks on suspects do not play on the field. Hello Jeter Downs.

[mvp 78]

Ratings, and ranks on suspects do not play on the field. Hello Jeter Downs.

 

The 23rd ranked prospect, and only that high because he’s still young.

[mvp 78]

Do you really think jd and eo are going to get QO's?

 

The 2nd part is just cover for a failure to have a cohesive plan IMO......

 

That is their plan apparently. I wouldn’t have gone that route.

[JDavis76]

That is their plan apparently. I wouldn’t have gone that route.

 

Good, I hope they accept them and have a repeat of this season.....

[Old Red]

The 23rd ranked prospect, and only that high because he’s still young.

 

He was higher until he got to Boston.

[Old Red]

That is their plan apparently. I wouldn’t have gone that route.

 

Isn’t the QO like $19M?

[oldtimer]

I thought he should traded every free agent to be for anything he felt was better than a comp pick. For those without a QO attached, get the best he can. I'd have even explored asking Bogey to waive his no-trade, if he wanted to try for a ring, somewhere else.

 

I think one major reason he did not do that was to keep a large part of the fan base from getting really upset, and perhaps stop watching or buy tickets to games.

 

The result was not getting under the tax line and not making the fans happy, anyway.

 

That being said, I do think losing Vaz, Diekman and Groome and gaining Pham, McGuire and Hosmer was a slight improvement on the 2022 roster- not shown by results. I think the prospects we gained look better than those we gave up, but that is all speculation based on ratings and ranks of prospects.

 

He didn't have to give up Vaz. At best, we got a couple of mid level prospects. The impact on the team probably involved negative feelings and decreased performance by some of our key players and also debatable performance loss from our catching position. It appeared to send mixed message from Bloom to the team and it's fan base.

[mvp 78]

He was higher until he got to Boston.

 

He was a decent prospect at one point. He came back after the COVID year and stopped making contact. Maybe pushed too aggressively?

[mvp 78]

Isn’t the QO like $19M?

 

Something like that.

 

For JD? Yuck.

 

For Eovaldi? Hold my nose?

 

I would have traded both of them if I was GM.

[a700hitter]

He was a decent prospect at one point. He came back after the COVID year and stopped making contact. Maybe pushed too aggressively?

Or maybe the Dodgers made a good decision in moving Downs.

[Old Red]

Something like that.

 

For JD? Yuck.

 

For Eovaldi? Hold my nose?

 

I would have traded both of them if I was GM.

Both could accept. I don’t know if either will make more out in the open market especially after the year they are having.

[jacksonianmarch]

I think a lot of the criticism at the deadline was that he did not sell off , but didn't really go for it either. Seemed indecisive. Trading Vazquez and acquiring Pham and Hosmer were not what you might do if you really wanted to make the playoffs. And getting Hosmer really was an accident.

 

You hit the nail on the head. Criticism is valid. Staying in between going for it and rebuilding only kicks the can down the road and usually guarantees mediocrity

[jacksonianmarch]

And Blooms unwillingness to move Eovaldi is almost criminal. Eo went from a guy who could have brought back a good piece to a guy who might not even get a QO

[moonslav59]

And Blooms unwillingness to move Eovaldi is almost criminal. Eo went from a guy who could have brought back a good piece to a guy who might not even get a QO

 

Just for the reason to get under the tax line, it was worth moving JD and Nate for the best we could get. Who cares, if thye return was not as hoped, except the few posters who bash everything done.

[Old Red]

Just for the reason to get under the tax line, it was worth moving JD and Nate for the best we could get. Who cares, if thye return was not as hoped, except the few posters who bash everything done.

 

Still worrying about those bad bad Bloom Bashers. You don’t go a day without commenting on them. The numbers are just going to keep growing, and the voices are just going to get Louder, and Louder just like they are out in the Rest of Red Sox Nation.

[Elktonnick]

Still worrying about those bad bad Bloom Bashers. You don’t go a day without commenting on them. The numbers are just going to keep growing, and the voices are just going to get Louder, and Louder just like they are out in the Rest of Red Sox Nation.

I.quibble with Moon's use of the word few when describing those "bashing " Bloom. It would be more appropriate to describe as few, very very few, those who defend Bloom.

[notin]

He was higher until he got to Boston.

 

Not true.

 

He was not ranked by BA nor by MLB.com until after the trade.

 

BA had him at 86 pre-2020, 71 pre-2021.

 

MLB.com had him at 44 pre-2020, 49 pre-2021…

[moonslav59]

I.quibble with Moon's use of the word few when describing those "bashing " Bloom. It would be more appropriate to describe as few, very very few, those who defend Bloom.

 

Try to keep up. I said the "few who bash everything."

 

None defend everything he does.

[dgalehouse]

Downs is still young, but so far, he looks like a miss. Would have been better to take Graterol. Or take nobody and have the Dodgers pick up more/all of Price's contract. When you are giving up Secretariat, you have to do a better job of horse trading. You do have some leverage.

[notin]

And Blooms unwillingness to move Eovaldi is almost criminal. Eo went from a guy who could have brought back a good piece to a guy who might not even get a QO

 

I’m not so sure Eovaldi would have brought back a “good piece.”

 

The only rental pitchers traded were Syndergaard, Jose Quintana, and Jordan Montgomery. Montgomery netted an injured Harrison Bader. The most notable player traded for the other two was Mickey Moniak, a former #1 overall pick that just hasn’t panned out…

[Elktonnick]

Try to keep up. I said the "few who bash everything."

 

None defend everything he does.

Every time you flip you flop.

[notin]

Downs is still young, but so far, he looks like a miss. Would have been better to take Graterol. Or take nobody and have the Dodgers pick up more/all of Price's contract. When you are giving up Secretariat, you have to do a better job of horse trading. You do have some leverage.

 

I still liked Graterol better. Been saying that since December, 2020.

 

But the Sox didn’t have as much leverage as you think. If the Dodgers balked, they could have just waited for 2020 to end and gotten Betts for the price of his extension and not given up anyone…

[Old Red]

I.quibble with Moon's use of the word few when describing those "bashing " Bloom. It would be more appropriate to describe as few, very very few, those who defend Bloom.

 

He lives in a small world of being on here, and has no clue all the bashing Bloom gets out in the vast Regions of Red Sox Nation except When he went to Maine, and heard all that was on the local talk shows he didn’t like it at all, and those are the rule, and not the exception.

Edited August 25, 2022 by Old Red

[Old Red]

Downs is still young, but so far, he looks like a miss. Would have been better to take Graterol. Or take nobody and have the Dodgers pick up more/all of Price's contract. When you are giving up Secretariat, you have to do a better job of horse trading. You do have some leverage.

A good, and real GM I believe would have done a better job, and would have gotten a better deal. Instead the Red Sox got Bloomed.

[notin]

A good, and real GM I believe would have done a better job, and would have gotten a better deal. Instead the Red Sox got Bloomed.

 

 

Actually most trades like that yield far less long term. What did Baltimore get for Machado, for example?

 

Verdugo alone made it a good trade for a short term superstar…

[Old Red]

Actually most trades like that yield far less long term. What did Baltimore get for Machado, for example?

 

Verdugo alone made it a good trade for a short term superstar…

 

Good trade? Lots of bad grades on the deal.

[Elktonnick]

He lives in a small world of being on here, and has no clue all the bashing Bloom gets out in the vast Regions of Red Sox Nation. When he went to Maine, and heard all that was on the local talk shows he didn’t like it at all, and those are the rule, and not the exception.

One would be hard pressed to find any one.in Boston defending anything Bloom has done