Fire Bloom .

[notin]

As per usual you misconstrued the point I was making namely that Shaughnessey's point of view carries more weight in Boston than does yours or mine or anyone on this board.

Red Sox front office personnel are aware of his. No one outside of the half dozen people who read this board are aware of yours or mine.

 

Considering how little weight we all carry combined on this singular Red Sox forum out of the thousands of Red Sox forums on the entire internet, that statement, while true, is also misleading.

 

Shaughnessy’s influence could be 0.000000000000001% of the decision making process, and that’s still more than ours…

[Elktonnick]

He didn't say anything about knowing. He said "I think" and "just my opinion". Terrible reading comprehension on your part.

Your last run on sentence which had more than 50 words did not begin nor contain the words "I think" or "my opinion" anywhere in it. Terrible composition on your part. I suggest you follow Cicero, Pascal and Mark Twain's advice on composition and syntax if you wish to write with clarity.

[Elktonnick]

Considering how little weight we all carry combined on this singular Red Sox forum out of the thousands of Red Sox forums on the entire internet, that statement, while true, is also misleading.

 

Shaughnessy’s influence could be 0.000000000000001% of the decision making process, and that’s still more than ours…

Shaughnessey spends more time with Red Sox front office personnel than anyone here. You are in absolutely no position to make that claim with any degree of ontological certitude.

[Bellhorn04]

Your last run on sentence which had more than 50 words did not begin nor contain the words "I think" or "my opinion" anywhere in it. Terrible composition on your part. I suggest you follow Cicero, Pascal and Mark Twain's advice on composition and syntax if you wish to write with clarity.

 

Now you're responding to the wrong poster.

[Bellhorn04]

Fair enough. However I think Shaughnessey represents the views of a majority of Sox fans including some within the Red Sox organization.

My view is Henry's problem is not firing Bloom. That's easy. The real problem is if he does who can he get to replace him. Henry has created a situation where being Sox Chief of Baseball OPS is not as attractive job as it once was.

 

I agree on the last part, and I think that's part of the reason firing Bloom now would be a bad move and a very bad look for Henry.

[moonslav59]

And you know this because??

 

I said, "I think" not I know. It's pure speculation.

[Hugh2]

I agree on the last part, and I think that's part of the reason firing Bloom now would be a bad move and a very bad look for Henry.

 

If you want to take a broader view outside of baseball and just look at this from an organizational culture perspective you see companies run into all kinds of headaches like this often. No one wants to work for you when there's a high turnover and there's value in continuity, it's not just about one guy it's about everyone else in the pipeline, and when the top is a revolving door apathy trickles down to the bottom. I've seen great companies fall apart like this. Instead of finding a scapegoat, I'd like to see the circulatory system improved. More assets into scouting both at the MLB/MiLB and amateur level.

[Elktonnick]

Now you're responding to the wrong poster.

I should have used he rather than you. However you being Moon's Sancho Panza it really makes no difference.

[Elktonnick]

I said, "I think" not I know. It's pure speculation.

Not in your last run on sentence.

[Old Red]

It's hard to know. I thought Ben deserved at least one more year, and I felt he was about to trade some prospects and shift gears.

 

If Bloom gets fired, this winter, I think it would be about trying to quiet the noisy/bitching fans that seem to have gotten quite deafening, of late. I'm not sure how much he cares about them, but he does care about attendance and NESN viewership. If he doesn't think Bloom is capable of spending wisely, this winter and building a team fans will recognize as being exciting and competitive, maybe he hires someone to replace him. Someone with a known track record of signing the right higher ticket FAs. This is just my opinion, but I do not think he'd be looking for the next "empty out most of the farm" type GM.

 

I, too, think Bloom returns through the winter, at least. (I'd say 98% chance.) If we flounder, next season, injuries or not, he might be gone mid-season or next winter, but maybe Henry has bought into some sort of 5 year plan, and though disappointed by 2022, the excitement from 2021 balanced 2022 out, and the state of the farm and future budget is where JH wants it to be.

 

There you go again labeling the bad bad Boston Red Sox fans. Noisy/bitching today. Whiners, crybabies, and shallow other days just because they don’t like their baseball team in last place in the Div, and a losing record to boot, and being rum by Bloom who most think is way in over his head, and should go back to Tampa, and get back, a Real baseball man. The Bloom Bashers as you like to call it are getting more in numbers everyday in Red Sox Nation, and will get louder, and louder much to your chagrin.

[Old Red]

D

Theo was the best GM the Sox ever had. A shame he had to feed the monster and sign CC and trade for AGon. Really f***ed it up there.

 

10 yr anniversary today of the AGon, CC, and Beckett trade to the Dodgers. Seems like the Dodgers always have to bail the Red Sox out.

[Old Red]

Not in your last run on sentence.

 

It’s quite a word salad, and lots of times there are more than 1 salad in a post, because not all buy what he’s trying to cook up.

Edited August 25, 2022 by Old Red

[moonslav59]

Not in your last run on sentence.

 

I have to put "I think" before every sentence?

[Elktonnick]

I have to put "I think" before every sentence?

In your case, yes! No one reads your convoluted word salad epistles in their entirety.

[JDavis76]

It's hard to know. I thought Ben deserved at least one more year, and I felt he was about to trade some prospects and shift gears.

 

If Bloom gets fired, this winter, I think it would be about trying to quiet the noisy/bitching fans that seem to have gotten quite deafening, of late. I'm not sure how much he cares about them, but he does care about attendance and NESN viewership. If he doesn't think Bloom is capable of spending wisely, this winter and building a team fans will recognize as being exciting and competitive, maybe he hires someone to replace him. Someone with a known track record of signing the right higher ticket FAs. This is just my opinion, but I do not think he'd be looking for the next "empty out most of the farm" type GM.

 

I, too, think Bloom returns through the winter, at least. (I'd say 98% chance.) If we flounder, next season, injuries or not, he might be gone mid-season or next winter, but maybe Henry has bought into some sort of 5 year plan, and though disappointed by 2022, the excitement from 2021 balanced 2022 out, and the state of the farm and future budget is where JH wants it to be.

 

Dumb, unfounded statements like this crack me up.

 

What makes one "feel" this way? Did you just have lunch with him and discuss it over tea and crumpets?

[JDavis76]

in your case, yes! No one reads your convoluted word salad epistles in their entirety.

 

lol

[JDavis76]

I should have used he rather than you. However you being Moon's Sancho Panza it really makes no difference.

 

It's a master/sub relationship.....

[Bellhorn04]

It's a master/sub relationship.....

 

You and your homoerotic fantasies...

[JDavis76]

You and your homoerotic fantasies...

 

Hardly, just pointing out what is painfully obvious.......

[dgalehouse]

My opinion is that Bloom will return for another year. I don't like it. I don't think he deserves it. But I don't think John Henry is ready to fire him. And should the Sox flounder again next season , we will surely see some folks say that he still should not be axed. We will hear about " five year plans " and how 2024 has really been the year we will see " Bloom's team ". And so it goes. Like sands through the hourglass.

[Bellhorn04]

Hardly, just pointing out what is painfully obvious.......

 

What's painfully obvious is that you think on the level of a homophobic teenage boy.

[Bellhorn04]

My opinion is that Bloom will return for another year. I don't like it. I don't think he deserves it. But I don't think John Henry is ready to fire him. And should the Sox flounder again next season , we will surely see some folks say that he still should not be axed. We will hear about " five year plans " and how 2024 has really been the year we will see " Bloom's team ". And so it goes. Like sands through the hourglass.

 

Well, Denny, I see no harm in being optimistic, personally. It's not like anything we say has any impact on anything.

[dgalehouse]

Well, Denny, I see no harm in being optimistic, personally. It's not like anything we say has any impact on anything.

 

Right. Our opinions carry no weight . Not even mine.

[dgalehouse]

Maybe what we need to do is follow the trend of using nicer words to describe the situation . The Sox are not a " cellar team ." They are a franchise " in transition. " That sounds much better.

[Old Red]

Maybe what we need to do is follow the trend of using nicer words to describe the situation . The Sox are not a " cellar team ." They are a franchise " in transition. " That sounds much better.

 

How about a transition team that has nowhere to go, but up.

[Old Red]

My opinion is that Bloom will return for another year. I don't like it. I don't think he deserves it. But I don't think John Henry is ready to fire him. And should the Sox flounder again next season , we will surely see some folks say that he still should not be axed. We will hear about " five year plans " and how 2024 has really been the year we will see " Bloom's team ". And so it goes. Like sands through the hourglass.

Good points, and like I keep saying if you need 5 yrs of a plan you don’t know what you are doing anyway. It’s not like he’s trying to build an expansion team. I keep saying that some don’t like to hear that Bloom has had three years to work on all those expiring contracts, and outside of trading Vaz for Juan Valdez, and another prospect. How is Valdez doing at Worcester? He’s hitting worse than the Great Jeter Downs. Back to the solution of all the expiring contracts I guess is to just let them run out. Great baseball mind, or just bad computer information.

Edited August 25, 2022 by Old Red

[JDavis76]

What's painfully obvious is that you think on the level of a homophobic teenage boy.

 

Hardly, bellhop, I'm not the only one here who sees your strange relationship with your master. Nothing homophobic about it on my part. You like men, big deal, I'm all for it. I have several gay friends. It doesn't change my day at all.

[Bellhorn04]

Good points, and like I keep saying if you need 5 yrs of a plan you don’t know what you are doing anyway.

 

Theo's 5 year plan with the Cubs seemed to work OK...

[JDavis76]

Good points, and like I keep saying if you need 5 yrs of a plan you don’t know what you are doing anyway. It’s not like he’s trying to build an expansion team. I keep saying that some don’t like to hear that Bloom has had three years to work on all those expiring contracts, and outside of trading Vaz for Juan Valdez, and another prospect. How is Valdez doing at Worcester? He’s hitting worse than the Great Jeter Downs. Back to the solution of all the expiring contracts I guess is to just let them run out. Great baseball mind, or just bad computer information.

 

I agree with all of this.

 

Like I read around right after the trade deadline, his half sell/half buy strategy made him appear rudderless.

[JDavis76]

Theo's 5 year plan with the Cubs seemed to work OK...

 

theo's ideas carry a bit more weight than orlando's.......