Fire Bloom .

[Randy Red Sox]

You mean from the worst pitcher development system in the universe?

 

BTW, Bello is not a beast of burden, yet. I doubt he gets over 190 IP in 2024, but I like him a lot.

 

We need two 200 IP studs.

 

you are bang on with your first sentence. Bloom was supposed to fix that. The days of 200 inning starters is quickly going away. Bello is still getting better and has made big strides this year.

[jad]

Well said and in less words than I’d have been able to use!

 

 

"fewer" words. You can't post crap like the above on the INTERNET and expect to get away with it! And agreeing w/ another poster??? Where do you get off on that?

[moonslav59]

you are bang on with your first sentence. Bloom was supposed to fix that. The days of 200 inning starters is quickly going away. Bello is still getting better and has made big strides this year.

 

Couldn't Bello, Houck, Whitlock, Crawford and Wink be a sign the times are changing?

 

It could be possible, right?

 

Have any changes been made on the farm, in the areas of scouting and developing pitching?

[moonslav59]

"fewer" words. You can't post crap like the above on the INTERNET and expect to get away with it! And agreeing w/ another poster??? Where do you get off on that?

 

My words are uncountable.

 

LOL

[Randy Red Sox]

Couldn't Bello, Houck, Whitlock, Crawford and Wink be a sign the times are changing?

 

It could be possible, right?

 

Have any changes been made on the farm, in the areas of scouting and developing pitching?

 

I don't know the answer to the last question but I'm not sold on Crawford at least as a SP and as for Houck and especially Whitlock if they could stay off the DL we would have a better idea. Both should be relievers IMO

[notin]

Bello is on his way developing to be one. Yamamoto should be the other and if Bloom had been doing his job we would would have another young SP on the cusp.

 

Like Drohan?

[moonslav59]

I don't know the answer to the last question but I'm not sold on Crawford at least as a SP and as for Houck and especially Whitlock if they could stay off the DL we would have a better idea. Both should be relievers IMO

 

My point wasn't about those 5 guys being great, but rather a marked improvement over any group of 3 to 5 pitchers since the Theo era.

 

I'm not sure if it's a fluke or not, but if change does come, I expect it will be slowly, as it takes a minimum 4-6 years to develop a drafted or IFA pitcher into a mature ML pitcher.

 

Bloom has not been our GM for 4 years, yet, and it seems you are already expecting greatness.

[moonslav59]

Like Drohan?

 

Perales, Wikelman, Mata, Gambrell

 

Long shots: Walter, Murphy, Dobbins, Bastardo, Troye, Liu

 

Far away" E R-C, Monegro, I Coffey, Rogers, Paez

 

It's hard to know, but I'm not sure another Bello type is soon to be called up.

 

I will say, this group looks no worse than many recent years, and this is after 5 recent and significant call-ups.

[mvp 78]

I’m not really interested in the David Stearns to the Sox rumors. If they are going to bring in a replacement for Bloom, it needs to be someone that is an improvement not just a similar profile with a different name. Just open the checkbook and bring back the god Theo Epstein.

[Bellhorn04]

I’m not really interested in the David Stearns to the Sox rumors. If they are going to bring in a replacement for Bloom, it needs to be someone that is an improvement not just a similar profile with a different name. Just open the checkbook and bring back the god Theo Epstein.

 

I thought Stearns was supposed to be bound for the Mets.

 

We know one thing-Henry ain't getting in any bidding war with Cohen.

[mvp 78]

I thought Stearns was supposed to be bound for the Mets.

 

Rumors persist that the Boston Red Sox could be in the mix for former Brewers executive David Stearns, according to @BNightengale.

[Bellhorn04]

Rumors persist that the Boston Red Sox could be in the mix for former Brewers executive David Stearns, according to @BNightengale.

 

Reported interest!

 

Jeezus, now they're even doing it with the CBO position...

[Bellhorn04]

As much heat as I've been putting on Bloom, canning him now, after going through all this, would only confirm that Henry has totally lost it.

[notin]

As much heat as I've been putting on Bloom, canning him now, after going through all this, would only confirm that Henry has totally lost it.

 

But how would that differ from Cherington?

[Bellhorn04]

But how would that differ from Cherington?

 

The parallels between the "records" of Cherington and Bloom are indeed notable.

 

But Cherington wasn't really brought in to take the team in a new direction. He was just the logical in-house successor to Theo.

 

Bloom was supposed to represent a major change in philosophy, and one that would take some time to implement.

[mvp 78]

Reported interest!

 

Jeezus, now they're even doing it with the CBO position...

 

^^^

[moonslav59]

The parallels between the "records" of Cherington and Bloom are indeed notable.

 

But Cherington wasn't really brought in to take the team in a new direction. He was just the logical in-house successor to Theo.

 

Bloom was supposed to represent a major change in philosophy, and one that would take some time to implement.

 

The similarity was mostly on the philosophy to not trade many/any prospects and to reign in spending.

[notin]

The parallels between the "records" of Cherington and Bloom are indeed notable.

 

But Cherington wasn't really brought in to take the team in a new direction. He was just the logical in-house successor to Theo.

 

Bloom was supposed to represent a major change in philosophy, and one that would take some time to implement.

 

I disagree virulently with that statement. In fact, I also disagree with it violently, vividly, and, what the heck, voluntarily.

 

When Cherington took over, spending also disappeared. Remember when he had to waive Marco Scutaro just to squeeze Cody Ross on to the roster? Not to mention, at one point Cherington has to trade away lots contractual deadweight and get back under the tax threshold, which might sound familiar to Bloom critics.

 

Cherington good have a couple years in which he was allowed to bring in free agents. The first year was wildly successful. But everything after was an absolute disaster.

[Bellhorn04]

I disagree virulently with that statement. In fact, I also disagree with it violently, vividly, and, what the heck, voluntarily.

 

When Cherington took over, spending also disappeared. Remember when he had to waive Marco Scutaro just to squeeze Cody Ross on to the roster? Not to mention, at one point Cherington has to trade away lots contractual deadweight and get back under the tax threshold, which might sound familiar to Bloom critics.

 

Cherington good have a couple years in which he was allowed to bring in free agents. The first year was wildly successful. But everything after was an absolute disaster.

 

Well, there were plenty of big money acquisitions in 2013 and 2015. There was no long-term rebuilding plan apparent IMHO. I don't see a big change from the Theo years.

[notin]

Well, there were plenty of big money acquisitions in 2013 and 2015. There was no long-term rebuilding plan apparent IMHO. I don't see a big change from the Theo years.

 

WTF are you talking about? Cherington was a complete Prospect Hoarder!! At problematic levels!!

[Bellhorn04]

After Stearns signs with the Mets, a reporter asks Bloom if it's true the Red Sox were in the bidding for Stearns.

 

"Yes, we made what we thought was a very strong, very competitive offer to David to come in and replace me, but we fell a little short. So now we move forward with what we have, which in this case means me."

[Bellhorn04]

WTF are you talking about? Cherington was a complete Prospect Hoarder!! At problematic levels!!

 

Theo was a Prospect Hoarder with the Sox too, no?

[notin]

Theo was a Prospect Hoarder with the Sox too, no?

 

No. Theo occasionally traded prospects to fill needs.

[notin]

After Stearns signs with the Mets, a reporter asks Bloom if it's true the Red Sox were in the bidding for Stearns.

 

"Yes, we made what we thought was a very strong, very competitive offer to David to come in and replace me, but we fell a little short. So now we move forward with what we have, which in this case means me."

 

Bizarre way to answer that question…

[Bellhorn04]

No. Theo occasionally traded prospects to fill needs.

 

Well, I guess we have something new to argue about. To me Cherington was not a radical change from Theo, a slight one at most. He did trade Iglesias for Peavy.

 

DD was a radical change from Cherington, and Bloom was a radical change from DD.

[moonslav59]

I disagree virulently with that statement. In fact, I also disagree with it violently, vividly, and, what the heck, voluntarily.

 

When Cherington took over, spending also disappeared. Remember when he had to waive Marco Scutaro just to squeeze Cody Ross on to the roster? Not to mention, at one point Cherington has to trade away lots contractual deadweight and get back under the tax threshold, which might sound familiar to Bloom critics.

 

Cherington good have a couple years in which he was allowed to bring in free agents. The first year was wildly successful. But everything after was an absolute disaster.

 

Ben was allowed to spend much of the money saved by the AGon-Beckett-Crawford trade, unlike Bloom after losing Betts and Price, not the Porcello & Kimbrel money lost from the year before.

[Bellhorn04]

Bizarre way to answer that question…

 

You just don't care for my sense of humor.

[moonslav59]

Well, I guess we have something new to argue about. To me Cherington was not a radical change from Theo, a slight one at most. He did trade Iglesias for Peavy.

 

DD was a radical change from Cherington, and Bloom was a radical change from DD.

 

Other than the Iggy trade, how many significant prospects did Ben trade?

 

Total the Theo prospects traded, the DD prospects traded and then compare to Ben & Bloom.

 

Compare the largest contracts given out to free agents and extensions by Theo and DD vs Ben and Bloom.

 

The team's plans were very different. Ben's plans were very similar to Bloom's as Theo's were to DD's.

 

[Bellhorn04]

Other than the Iggy trade, how many significant prospects did Ben trade?

 

Total the Theo prospects traded, the DD prospects traded and then compare to Ben & Bloom.

 

Compare the largest contracts given out to free agents and extensions by Theo and DD vs Ben and Bloom.

 

The team's plans were very different. Ben's plans were very similar to Bloom's as Theo's were to DD's.

 

 

Don't forget Theo was 9 years and Ben was 4, so everything has to be converted by a factor of 2.25.

[Bellhorn04]

Major outlays by Ben:

 

Pedroia

Victorino

Napoli

Pablo

Hanley

Porcello

Castillo

 

A fair amount in 4 years IMHO.