Fire Bloom .

[notin]

The Red Sox weren't a playoff team every year when I was growing up. Some of you have really inflated expectations.

 

I remember once on another forum, fans were ripping Epstein before the 2007 season because the Sox “hadn’t won a playoff game since game 4 of the2004 World Series.

 

The entitlement set in fast with some…

[moonslav59]

I remember once on another forum, fans were ripping Epstein before the 2007 season because the Sox “hadn’t won a playoff game since game 4 of the2004 World Series.

 

The entitlement set in fast with some…

 

Indeed. There are 30 teams in MLB. Even if you discount the 10 or so that are making no try at winning a ring, that leaves 20 all trying hrad for a ring.

 

If we don't win, the GM sucks.

[moonslav59]

No, it would be a good idea to trade Rafaela for a 38 year old with a 4 ERA that is owed 43M next year. It's smart! There's no way you could spend that 43M in a better manner!

 

He's owed $43M, but HOU is not paying all that.

 

The Mets are paying a combined $35MM of Verlander’s 2023-24 salary. They’d pay half of his $35MM salary in 2025 if his option vests. In all, they’re paying as much as $52.5MM of the nearly $93MM that could still be paid out on his deal, pending that option. -MLBTR

 

That being said, I would not have traded Rafaela and Romero- about the BTV equivalent of what HOU gave up to pay him the difference.

 

There were some trades, I think I might have matched in equal prospect value, but I think Bloom & Co. chose to ride the horses that got us here, and hope the returning horses give us the boost we need.

 

It's clear that the extended future is a much higher priority than the here and now.

 

Maybe, this time, JH will let it play out to its end (unlike replacing Ben with DD.)

[mvp 78]

I remember once on another forum, fans were ripping Epstein before the 2007 season because the Sox “hadn’t won a playoff game since game 4 of the2004 World Series.

 

The entitlement set in fast with some…

 

1918 chant is now 2018... Sad!

[Maxbialystock]

I wanted nothing to do with Scherzer or Verlander last winter, not even at half of what the Mets paid. They're always just a creak or tweak away from Sale/Paxton/Whitlock sick bay.

 

But for the other innings eaters -- Lynn, Lorenzen, Montgomery, Flaherty, even Civale -- Chaim could've parted with some of his surplus prospect capital if he really wanted to.

 

I'm not in the clubhouse, but when all beat writers, TV reporters and ex-MLB players-turned-announcers talk about the positive vibe and vote of confidence players feel at the deadline when their boss brings in reinforcements, they can't all be wrong.

 

Ahem. My rejoinder is that the reinforcements are Sale, Houck, and Whitlock, none of whom requires a trade. Same goes for Story.

 

As for all the beat writers, announcers, etc, etc, they are unreliable on this topic because every single one of them wants maximum exchange of players so they have something to talk or write about. They also want huge salaries to talk about.

[Maxbialystock]

He's owed $43M, but HOU is not paying all that.

 

The Mets are paying a combined $35MM of Verlander’s 2023-24 salary. They’d pay half of his $35MM salary in 2025 if his option vests. In all, they’re paying as much as $52.5MM of the nearly $93MM that could still be paid out on his deal, pending that option. -MLBTR

 

That being said, I would not have traded Rafaela and Romero- about the BTV equivalent of what HOU gave up to pay him the difference.

 

There were some trades, I think I might have matched in equal prospect value, but I think Bloom & Co. chose to ride the horses that got us here, and hope the returning horses give us the boost we need.

 

It's clear that the extended future is a much higher priority than the here and now.

 

Maybe, this time, JH will let it play out to its end (unlike replacing Ben with DD.)

 

In another sphere of endeavor a reliable maxim is to reinforce success, not failure. This year's Sox are by no means a failure and are in fact fun to watch. But they aren't at all like the 2013 and 2018 teams who just needed that little extra boost in the postseason, not to get there.

[Old Red]

I don't think they were going to get into the playoffs. The teams around them sold a bunch of prospects for a run this year. I think Bloom telegraphed that he wasn't ready to do that right now. This team isn't there yet. This team is still a few years away from being mature enough to make those moves.

I for one am glad Bloom did not get rid of Duval that you were so sure of was going to happen, or Paxton, Dugy, and even Turner. I’m sure it was not, because of Bloom’s expertise, but because he wanted too much in return. It would have been nice to get some pitching help that the players, and Cora wanted, but a least there wasn’t any fire sale that a few on here wanted to add something for that future they may not ever be as bright as some are wishing, and hoping for on here. The team has a better chance at the postseason this year than last, and it’s owed to the players in that clubhouse, and the fans who pay TOP dollar to watch to try to get into the postseason, and then anything can happen. If that’s not the goal then why play at all.

[mvp 78]

I for one am glad Bloom did not get rid of Duval that you were so sure of was going to happen, or Paxton, Dugy, and even Turner. I’m sure it was not, because of Bloom’s expertise, but because he wanted too much in return. It would have been nice to get some pitching help that the players, and Cora wanted, but a least there wasn’t any fire sale that a few on here wanted to add something for that future they may not ever be as bright as some are wishing, and hoping for on here. The team has a better chance at the postseason this year than last, and it’s owed to the players in that clubhouse, and the fans who pay TOP dollar to watch to try to get into the postseason, and then anything can happen. If that’s not the goal then why play at all.

 

Yeah, even I'm not foolish enough to make predictions about what Bloom will do at the trade deadline. I may suggest what I would do, but I have no idea what he would do.

 

21: nobody expected Schwarber

22: nobody expected him to trade Vaz and then sit on the rest of the expiring contracts and then go over the CBT like a f***ing idiot

[Bellhorn04]

Yeah, even I'm not foolish enough to make predictions about what Bloom will do at the trade deadline. I may suggest what I would do, but I have no idea what he would do.

 

21: nobody expected Schwarber

22: nobody expected him to trade Vaz and then sit on the rest of the expiring contracts and then go over the CBT like a f***ing idiot

 

No, that was all O'Halloran's doing. Bloom was pissed about it, just like you.

[mvp 78]

No, that was all O'Halloran's doing. Bloom was pissed about it, just like you.

 

When I say "Bloom" it's shorthand for "the Front Office." It always has been and always will be. You know this. You're just being stubborn because you've been miserable all year.

[Old Red]

No, that was all O'Halloran's doing. Bloom was pissed about it, just like you.

 

LMAO on this. Good one.

[Old Red]

Yeah, even I'm not foolish enough to make predictions about what Bloom will do at the trade deadline. I may suggest what I would do, but I have no idea what he would do.

 

21: nobody expected Schwarber

22: nobody expected him to trade Vaz and then sit on the rest of the expiring contracts and then go over the CBT like a f***ing idiot

Expected, or surprised? A Yale guy, and he’s still stuck at the fork in the road a year later.

[dgalehouse]

The deadline can be a double edged sword for the players. For every guy brought in, one of your teammates ( or maybe you ) has to go. So, they may not be all that upset when little is done.

[notin]

I wanted nothing to do with Scherzer or Verlander last winter, not even at half of what the Mets paid. They're always just a creak or tweak away from Sale/Paxton/Whitlock sick bay.

 

But for the other innings eaters -- Lynn, Lorenzen, Montgomery, Flaherty, even Civale -- Chaim could've parted with some of his surplus prospect capital if he really wanted to.

 

I'm not in the clubhouse, but when all beat writers, TV reporters and ex-MLB players-turned-announcers talk about the positive vibe and vote of confidence players feel at the deadline when their boss brings in reinforcements, they can't all be wrong.

 

Not saying I wouldn’t have minded them, but I think it’s a stretch to call Flaherty, Lorenzen and Civale “innings eaters” given the three of them have combined to top 125IP exactly twice in their careers. Both times by Flaherty. In 2018 and 2019…

[mvp 78]

The deadline can be a double edged sword for the players. For every guy brought in, one of your teammates ( or maybe you ) has to go. So, they may not be all that upset when little is done.

 

Turner was quoted as saying the only time the Dodgers won a WS was the deadline when they didn't make any moves. Verdugo said he played more relaxed after the deadline. Really hard to say definitively how they will play here on out. Last year, it was a total tank job. Maybe this year will be different as it seems to be a different vibe in the clubhouse.

[Old Red]

The deadline can be a double edged sword for the players. For every guy brought in, one of your teammates ( or maybe you ) has to go. So, they may not be all that upset when little is done.

 

Raffy, and Jansen said they needed help, and what they think is more important than what we think. I’m glad none of the rumored guys to get traded did, and are still here.

[mvp 78]

Not saying I wouldn’t have minded them, but I think it’s a stretch to call Flaherty, Lorenzen and Civale “innings eaters” given the three of them have combined to top 125IP exactly twice in their careers. Both times by Flaherty. In 2018 and 2019…

 

Lorenzen really has been a reliever for most of his career. I didn't want to send much for that guy. Civale's xFIP is 2 runs higher than his ERA. Flaherty really took a step back this year. Those guys could help you down the stretch, but they aren't going to carry your staff or win you a playoff series. Very 2013 Jake Peavyish, if you're projecting what they could bring to your rotation.

[Maxbialystock]

Raffy, and Jansen said they needed help, and what they think is more important than what we think. I’m glad none of the rumored guys to get traded did, and are still here.

 

I think you're wrong. Our collective opinion--replete with contradictions though it always is--is probably more relevant than theirs is because they are focused on the here and now. Plus they are both paid huge sums in guaranteed money.

 

Bloom--and all the people on talksox who agree and disagree with him--has a better perspective on what makes sense for this team this year as well as next year and the year after. I think 3 factors weighed against going after a good starter--

 

1. Too expensive in prospects/salary.

2. Three starters--or Sale and two long relievers, Houck and Whitlock--are headed back to the Sox this month and cost nothing in additional funds and/or good prospects sent elsewhere.

3. This team has a good shot at the playoffs, but probably isn't good enough, even with an added starter from elsewhere, to win it all. This isn't 2013 or 2018 redux.

[notin]

Raffy, and Jansen said they needed help, and what they think is more important than what we think. I’m glad none of the rumored guys to get traded did, and are still here.

 

Their definition of help might differ from ours, too. Some people on here think it only means Scherzer or Verlander. Maybe to them, help is pitchers like Robertson and Llovera…

[Old Red]

I think you're wrong. Our collective opinion--replete with contradictions though it always is--is probably more relevant than theirs is because they are focused on the here and now. Plus they are both paid huge sums in guaranteed money.

 

Bloom--and all the people on talksox who agree and disagree with him--has a better perspective on what makes sense for this team this year as well as next year and the year after. I think 3 factors weighed against going after a good starter--

 

1. Too expensive in prospects/salary.

2. Three starters--or Sale and two long relievers, Houck and Whitlock--are headed back to the Sox this month and cost nothing in additional funds and/or good prospects sent elsewhere.

3. This team has a good shot at the playoffs, but probably isn't good enough, even with an added starter from elsewhere, to win it all. This isn't 2013 or 2018 redux.

Players should be focused on the here, and now, because that is what’s most important to them as I believe with most fans that don’t hang out in my little corner of the world known as talksox.

[Old Red]

Their definition of help might differ from ours, too. Some people on here think it only means Scherzer or Verlander. Maybe to them, help is pitchers like Robertson and Llovera…

 

I haven’t heard anyone on here calling for Verlander, or Scherzer. If the league was not so watered down all the openers, and BP games wouldn’t have worked out as good as it did.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Ahem. My rejoinder is that the reinforcements are Sale, Houck, and Whitlock, none of whom requires a trade. Same goes for Story.

 

As for all the beat writers, announcers, etc, etc, they are unreliable on this topic because every single one of them wants maximum exchange of players so they have something to talk or write about. They also want huge salaries to talk about.

 

You forgot the ex-players. Can the reason they want deadline additions possibly be because of their own experiences in MLB clubhouses?

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Not saying I wouldn’t have minded them, but I think it’s a stretch to call Flaherty, Lorenzen and Civale “innings eaters” given the three of them have combined to top 125IP exactly twice in their careers. Both times by Flaherty. In 2018 and 2019…

 

Singing to the satire. I'm a Red Sox fan, circa 2023. To me, an innings eater is a starter who can go more than one inning -- or, holy crap, two! An addition to the rotation that could replace our cast of openers... and go three?

 

He'd be the Roy Halladay of the Bloom Era.

[mvp 78]

Singing to the satire. I'm a Red Sox fan, circa 2023. To me, an innings eater is a starter who can go more than one inning -- or, holy crap, two! An addition to the rotation that could replace our cast of openers... and go three?

 

He'd be the Roy Halladay of the Bloom Era.

 

They currently have 0 CG's. The last season they didn't have any CG's was 2020, which is surprising because that rotation was awesome.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

They currently have 0 CG's. The last season they didn't have any CG's was 2020, which is surprising because that rotation was awesome.

 

CGs are like flip phones. But even a mediocre starter who can get big leaguers out one time through the order can aid in the preservation of the bullpeners. Imagine having two bulk guys in the same game. Just a righty not named Joe Jokes or Loservera to slip between Murphy and Walter -- turn those switch hitters around!

[mvp 78]

CGs are like flip phones. But even a mediocre starter who can get big leaguers out one time through the order can aid in the preservation of the bullpeners. Imagine having two bulk guys in the same game. Just a righty not named Joe Jokes or Loservera to slip between Murphy and Walter -- turn those switch hitters around!

 

Flip phones are coming back...

[notin]

They currently have 0 CG's. The last season they didn't have any CG's was 2020, which is surprising because that rotation was awesome.

 

It was actually surprising because that bullpen was awful…

[Bellhorn04]

When I say "Bloom" it's shorthand for "the Front Office." It always has been and always will be. You know this. You're just being stubborn because you've been miserable all year.

 

It's my educated guess that Bloom makes most of the decisions on the big team's player acquisitions and dispositions, subject of course to the payroll budget imposed by Henry.

 

I'm sure Bloom receives a lot of information and opinions from others in the organization before making those decisions, but he has the final call.

 

You mentioned something you had read about Bloom being much more consultative than DD was, to the point that maybe Bloom considered the input of others too much. That aligns with the process I'm describing.

[moonslav59]

It's my educated guess that Bloom makes most of the decisions on the big team's player acquisitions and dispositions, subject of course to the payroll budget imposed by Henry.

 

I'm sure Bloom receives a lot of information and opinions from others in the organization before making those decisions, but he has the final call.

 

You mentioned something you had read about Bloom being much more consultative than DD was, to the point that maybe Bloom considered the input of others too much. That aligns with the process I'm describing.

 

If he almost always agrees with what the people around him suggest, and I'm not saying he does that, then in a sense, he is not the major decision-maker, despite possibly having "the last word," so to speak.

 

I think we all agree on the biggest money decisions, JH and others have the final say.

[Bellhorn04]

If he almost always agrees with what the people around him suggest, and I'm not saying he does that, then in a sense, he is not the major decision-maker, despite possibly having "the last word," so to speak.

 

I think we all agree on the biggest money decisions, JH and others have the final say.

 

Well, my speculation is that Bloom is the guy who blueprints all the team construction stuff, and everyone else is working within those blueprints, so the input Bloom gets is going to be about the kind of moves that fit into his philosophy. So it's not just the final say that's his, it's the underlying plans.