Fire Bloom .

[mvp 78]

I disagree, you can't make roster decisions and burn a 40 man spot because a guy might be taken who fits a profile of a guy who has NEVER been taken before. This just doesn't make sense.

 

At some point, Song was going to be ready to pitch. He has stated all along that his intent was to pitch in MLB. Bloom needed to have a plan in place. Did he have one?

[moonslav59]

I think if someone wants to criticize this move they should have been advocating for his protection before hand. Nobody was....not even sportswriters. No one.

 

I've made that point, a few times, and been met with some interesting rebuttals.

 

I guess we should have protected Bleis, too. Had he been taken, many would think the Sox ef'd up, so let's just fill the 40 with single A guys, just to be safe.

[Hugh2]

Question maybe nobody knows.

 

Players on the Military List do accrue service time. They do. So if Song spent 2023 as an inactive member of the ML, his Rule 5 status starts next year, but would he be one year closer to arbitration eligibility?

 

Probably a moot question, because had Song not been granted permission to play this year, Philly probably returns him to Boston same day and tries again next year…

 

He would have to stay on the active roster for 50 days next year before Philly could option him.

[mvp 78]

Question maybe nobody knows.

 

Players on the Military List do accrue service time. They do. So if Song spent 2023 as an inactive member of the ML, his Rule 5 status starts next year, but would he be one year closer to arbitration eligibility?

 

Probably a moot question, because had Song not been granted permission to play this year, Philly probably returns him to Boston same day and tries again next year…

 

No, if he isn't granted permission, he's more likely to stay with Philly. He'd only have to stay on their active roster for 60 days next season if he was granted permission.

[moonslav59]

At some point, Song was going to be ready to pitch. He has stated all along that his intent was to pitch in MLB. Bloom needed to have a plan in place. Did he have one?

 

The plan was to wait until he became eligible, then assign him to a minor league team and decide to protect him or not that following winter- an excellent plan that any GM, except maybe DD would have done.

 

No baseball pundit suggested protecting Song, but somehow that should have been "the plan?"

[mvp 78]

The plan was to wait until he became eligible, then assign him to a minor league team and decide to protect him or not that following winter- an excellent plan that any GM, except maybe DD would have done.

 

No baseball pundit suggested protecting Song, but somehow that should have been "the plan?"

 

Shouldn't Bloom be smarter than baseball pundits?

[Hugh2]

I've made that point, a few times, and been met with some interesting rebuttals.

 

I guess we should have protected Bleis, too. Had he been taken, many would think the Sox ef'd up, so let's just fill the 40 with single A guys, just to be safe.

 

This is an amazing point. If the people angry Song was taken had a real point, even consistently within their own wrong point they would be up in arms that Bleis was left unprotected. Bleis is a top 100 prospect in all of baseball, with more talent than Song. Where is the outrage there? Luis Perales was a top pitching prospect and wasn't added to the 40 man. Elmer Rodriguez is another top 20 prospect, a former 4th rounder just like Song with a lot of potentials and if you put stock in age curves may be very promising and up and coming and he was left off the 40 man.

 

Where is all the outrage from these guys being left unprotected?

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Question maybe nobody knows.

 

Players on the Military List do accrue service time. They do. So if Song spent 2023 as an inactive member of the ML, his Rule 5 status starts next year, but would he be one year closer to arbitration eligibility?

 

Probably a moot question, because had Song not been granted permission to play this year, Philly probably returns him to Boston same day and tries again next year…

 

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the drafting team has to pay the losers $100K, and then if they decide they don't want the guy, can offer him back to his original club for $50K?

 

Peanuts to a guy like Dombro, but not to someone hired to pinch every penny...

[Hugh2]

Is that the case though? Have they confirmed that they were surprised that Song could have been taken? Or is that just speculation?

 

Has someone who fits Songs description ever been taken? Also, how often do players like him ever protected? I think that is an important question to ask ourselves here.

[Hugh2]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the drafting team has to pay the losers $100K, and then if they decide they don't want the guy, can offer him back to his original club for $50K?

 

Peanuts to a guy like Dombro, but not to someone hired to pinch every penny...

 

Yeah, do you seriously believe the Sox wouldn't pay 50k? also often the penny-pinching has luxury tax implications which is why decisions are made in such ways. I'm not sure this is the case here whatsoever.

[moonslav59]

Shouldn't Bloom be smarter than baseball pundits?

 

Are you being serious? because it seems like you are all over both ends of this debate.

 

You think it would have been "smart" to protect Song? I'm pretty sure you'd be saying differently had they done it, and he not be selected.

 

Thinking some off-the-wall GM move was going to happen is not "smart."

 

Do you think he should have protected Wikelman? Paulino? Selecting them made more sense by some GM. How many far away players can a team stash on its 40?

[moonslav59]

This is an amazing point. If the people angry Song was taken had a real point, even consistently within their own wrong point they would be up in arms that Bleis was left unprotected. Bleis is a top 100 prospect in all of baseball, with more talent than Song. Where is the outrage there? Luis Perales was a top pitching prospect and wasn't added to the 40 man. Elmer Rodriguez is another top 20 prospect, a former 4th rounder just like Song with a lot of potentials and if you put stock in age curves may be very promising and up and coming and he was left off the 40 man.

 

Where is all the outrage from these guys being left unprotected?

 

Actually, Bleis was not Rule 5 eligible. I just used him and his skill level as an example of some types of players that are often left unprotected, since they are single A players.

 

This year's examples might have been:

 

#11 Paulino

#12 Wikelman

[Hugh2]

Actually, Bleis was not Rule 5 eligible. I just used him and his skill level as an example of some types of players that are often left unprotected, since they are single A players.

 

This year's examples might have been:

 

#11 Paulino

#12 Wikelman

 

Oh that's a great point, I just took young players who have played at the same level as Song. A moot point I suppose, the general theme here is the fact that guys like Song don't get picked, this is new.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Yeah, do you seriously believe the Sox wouldn't pay 50k? also often the penny-pinching has luxury tax implications which is why decisions are made in such ways. I'm not sure this is the case here whatsoever.

 

No, Bloom will actually make $50K if he takes him back. I'm not sure how much the Sox have sunk into the three young pitchers selected in the Rule V, but the guess is it would be worth it to them to only make an additional $150K on the trio and welcome them all back into the system.

[mvp 78]

This is an amazing point. If the people angry Song was taken had a real point, even consistently within their own wrong point they would be up in arms that Bleis was left unprotected. Bleis is a top 100 prospect in all of baseball, with more talent than Song. Where is the outrage there? Luis Perales was a top pitching prospect and wasn't added to the 40 man. Elmer Rodriguez is another top 20 prospect, a former 4th rounder just like Song with a lot of potentials and if you put stock in age curves may be very promising and up and coming and he was left off the 40 man.

 

Where is all the outrage from these guys being left unprotected?

 

Those guys are ineligible for the draft though?

[mvp 78]

Has someone who fits Songs description ever been taken? Also, how often do players like him ever protected? I think that is an important question to ask ourselves here.

 

How many players like him are serving in the military? IDK.

[Hugh2]

Those guys are ineligible for the draft though?

 

Yes I already acknowledged this. Still, when has someone who fits Noah Songs profile been selected? I don’t think it ever happens

[mvp 78]

Are you being serious? because it seems like you are all over both ends of this debate.

 

You think it would have been "smart" to protect Song? I'm pretty sure you'd be saying differently had they done it, and he not be selected.

 

Thinking some off-the-wall GM move was going to happen is not "smart."

 

Do you think he should have protected Wikelman? Paulino? Selecting them made more sense by some GM. How many far away players can a team stash on its 40?

 

No, I'm saying that he should have at least considered the ramifications of leaving Song open to being drafted. If he just absent mindedly forgot about Song and then was shocked that he was drafted, it makes him look like a dumbass...

 

Sorry that the world isn't black and white?

[Hugh2]

How many players like him are serving in the military? IDK.

 

And up until recently it looked like he was going to be in the military this year too. Which would make protecting him even a more head scratching move. This is probably partially why Philly took Song. Now they have to pitch him this year which might actually increase the chances he’s returning to the Sox

[mvp 78]

Oh that's a great point, I just took young players who have played at the same level as Song. A moot point I suppose, the general theme here is the fact that guys like Song don't get picked, this is new.

 

Wikelman and Paulino actually played at HIGHER levels than Song did.

[mvp 78]

And up until recently it looked like he was going to be in the military this year too. Which would make protecting him even a more head scratching move. This is probably partially why Philly took Song. Now they have to pitch him this year which might actually increase the chances he’s returning to the Sox

 

It's not head scratching. It's a low risk move. It costs Philly almost nothing. There's no harm in going for the shot in the dark. It worked out for them.

[Hugh2]

No, Bloom will actually make $50K if he takes him back. I'm not sure how much the Sox have sunk into the three young pitchers selected in the Rule V, but the guess is it would be worth it to them to only make an additional $150K on the trio and welcome them all back into the system.

 

There’s no way any GM is purposefully leaving guys unprotected with the hopes of making 50k here and there. That’s pocket change for even a small market team.

 

I also think Ward sticks.

 

Actually that’s the guy we SHOULD be talking about. Bloom was very wrong in leaving him unprotected. Song…not so much.

[mvp 78]

Yes I already acknowledged this. Still, when has someone who fits Noah Songs profile been selected? I don’t think it ever happens

 

He is an extremely unique profile for sure. That's the main reason it's such a big topic of conversation.

[Hugh2]

No, I'm saying that he should have at least considered the ramifications of leaving Song open to being drafted. If he just absent mindedly forgot about Song and then was shocked that he was drafted, it makes him look like a dumbass...

 

Sorry that the world isn't black and white?

 

I think it’s impossible that Song was forgotten about. The Sox figured no team was going to be bold and make an unprecedented move. If Song sticks, it will be a point of reference for Bloom and every other GM out there moving forward.

[moonslav59]

Has someone who fits Songs description ever been taken? Also, how often do players like him ever protected? I think that is an important question to ask ourselves here.

 

I'm pretty sure the answers are never and never, yet somehow, we were supposed to predict it would happen, this year

[moonslav59]

I think it’s impossible that Song was forgotten about. The Sox figured no team was going to be bold and make an unprecedented move. If Song sticks, it will be a point of reference for Bloom and every other GM out there moving forward.

 

How many situations like this will there be, again?

 

It is very unique that a player is ineligible to play for 3 years and his eligibility date unknown on protection day.

 

I doubt any GM would protect the next Noah Song, if something very similar comes up again.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

I also think Ward sticks.

 

Actually that’s the guy we SHOULD be talking about. Bloom was very wrong in leaving him unprotected.

 

I have been from the beginning. Losing any young pitchers of promise is inept for a last place team with last place pitching and a front office constantly telling its fans "Wait til next core..."

[mvp 78]

I have been from the beginning. Losing any young pitchers of promise is inept for a last place team with last place pitching and a front office constantly telling its fans "Wait til next core..."

 

This team was so dreadful that they are getting the 14th pick in the draft. They are mediocre, not inept.

[moonslav59]

I have been from the beginning. Losing any young pitchers of promise is inept for a last place team with last place pitching and a front office constantly telling its fans "Wait til next core..."

 

You must have hated trading 24 year old Jacob Wallace for 28 year old Wyatt Mills.

 

Too bad we traded Pavano & Armas for Pedro, Fossum, de la Rosa and Lyon for Schilling and Kopech for Sale.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

This team was so dreadful that they are getting the 14th pick in the draft. They are mediocre, not inept.

 

They can't even come in last bad enough to get a higher pick?