Fire Bloom .

[Bellhorn04]

It's the last place finish while going over the luxury tax threshold and letting your franchise SS walk out the door just a few years after the future HOF RFer was shipped to LA because he was too expensive even though the cost to take your family to a game is 2 car payments.

 

Yes, it's a combination of s***** things.

[mvp 78]

This is the part I think is unfair to Bloom. No GM in the last 3 or 4 have been handed a farm that added only one semi-key player in 5 years, 3 tight winter budgets in a row with too many open holes on the 40 to possibly fill with high quality players, while having to start your time as GM by trading away your best player (Betts) and up to that point, a solid SP'er (Price.)

 

I get why success leads to higher expectations, but within the context of what Bloom was handed, was a ring within 3 years even close to a realistic goal?

 

2018 was so spectacular, and some of the core of that team was still around when Bloom took over, but the 2019 team sans Betts and Price was more of a hint at what Bloom was handed than 2018.

 

Pythagoras had them as an 87 win team in 2019. That includes Eovaldi's 6 ERA and Porcellos 5.5 ERA, two items that could easily be better the next season.

[mvp 78]

Yes, it's a combination of s***** things.

 

Plus a lack of critical thinking skills.

[Old Red]

It's the last place finish this year that really has the knives out for Bloom.

 

And should be. Even if the Red Sox had gotten into the WS, and won it all in 2021 last years losing last place in the division record would still be unacceptable.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

It's the last place finish while going over the luxury tax threshold and letting your franchise SS walk out the door just a few years after the future HOF RFer was shipped to LA because he was too expensive even though the cost to take your family to a game is 2 car payments.

 

And don't forget after all that, the Red Sox began this offseason by raising ticket prices.

 

Can't blame Bloom for all that, but right now he is the face of the capsized franchise.

[Old Red]

It's the last place finish while going over the luxury tax threshold and letting your franchise SS walk out the door just a few years after the future HOF RFer was shipped to LA because he was too expensive even though the cost to take your family to a game is 2 car payments.

 

If Bogey walks, and Raffy shortly after him that would make losing 3 homegrown future HOF talent in 5 years, and I think JH will feel it in the pocketbook more than just in attendance.

[mvp 78]

And don't forget after all that, the Red Sox began this offseason by raising ticket prices.

 

Can't blame Bloom for all that, but right now he is the face of the capsized franchise.

 

And that's the real issue at play. For better or worse, he'll be the one to take the blame even if he really doesn't make all the calls.

[mvp 78]

And should be. Even if the Red Sox had gotten into the WS, and won it all in 2021 last years losing last place in the division record would still be unacceptable.

 

78 wins isn't the end of the world, Spanky.

[Old Red]

And don't forget after all that, the Red Sox began this offseason by raising ticket prices.

 

Can't blame Bloom for all that, but right now he is the face of the capsized franchise.

 

Some keep blaming DD for the poor mess that Bloom has found himself in, and the budget, but playing that broken record only has ears for few people, and the rest Never listened in the first place. Bloom has been in charge for 3 years now, and for Most fans he is being held responsible, and should.

[Old Red]

78 wins isn't the end of the world, Spanky.

 

Nowhere good enough for Most of Red Sox fans I would guess though.

[mvp 78]

Nowhere good enough for Most of Red Sox fans I would guess though.

 

It's not a good season by any stretch, but it's not the end of the world some people have made it out to be.

[moonslav59]

It's the last place finish this year that really has the knives out for Bloom.

 

I know that's why. I hear it here 18 times a day.

 

Doesn't make it fair, especially when you add the context of us playing in the toughest division, by far.

[moonslav59]

What budget constraints? They went over the luxury tax threshold last season.

 

Like that proves Bloom could have spent $10, $20 or $30M more?

[Old Red]

It's not a good season by any stretch, but it's not the end of the world some people have made it out to be.

 

Disagree, and I would think the uproar by the amount of RedSox fans, and media alike would tell you that, and then again maybe not.

[moonslav59]

Pythagoras had them as an 87 win team in 2019. That includes Eovaldi's 6 ERA and Porcellos 5.5 ERA, two items that could easily be better the next season.

 

1. Porcello's team control was up, so why mention him?

2. Price was in decline and spending too much time on the IL to expect a bounce-back. Then he opted out of the 2020 season, anyway.

[Old Red]

What budget constraints? They went over the luxury tax threshold last season.

 

Didn’t most of the budget come pre Bloom?

[mvp 78]

Like that proves Bloom could have spent $10, $20 or $30M more?

 

It's hard to complain about "budget constraints" for a team that can go over the luxury tax threshold all willy nilly.

[mvp 78]

Disagree, and I would think the uproar by the amount of RedSox fans, and media alike would tell you that, and then again maybe not.

 

I think a lot of fans are easily riled up by whatever poisoned tripe the mainstream sports media wants to feed them today. Hard pass.

[mvp 78]

1. Porcello's team control was up, so why mention him?

2. Price was in decline and spending too much time on the IL to expect a bounce-back. Then he opted out of the 2020 season, anyway.

 

1. Because it should be easy to replace a starting pitcher who had a 5.50 ERA even if it's with a guy with a different name on the back of the jersey. The contract coming off the books should be a benefit, no?

2. You mentioned "what Bloom was handed" and I'm sure COVID is outside that scope.

[moonslav59]

1. Because it should be easy to replace a starting pitcher who had a 5.50 ERA even if it's with a guy with a different name on the back of the jersey. The contract coming off the books should be a benefit, no?

2. You mentioned "what Bloom was handed" and I'm sure COVID is outside that scope.

 

1. Emphatically no, when your budget is cut.

 

2. Yes, he was handed a team headed into a COVID season, but the whole Covid thing was added after my point about him being in decline and fragile.

[mvp 78]

1. Emphatically no, when your budget is cut.

 

2. Yes, he was handed a team headed into a COVID season, but the whole Covid thing was added after my point about him being in decline and fragile.

 

2019: 203M

2022: 195M

 

Just a trim please.

[notin]

I think a lot of fans are easily riled up by whatever poisoned tripe the mainstream sports media wants to feed them today. Hard pass.

 

 

And there is a significant portion of the sports media that is dedicated to creating controversy and riling up passionate fans, regardless of whether or not there is any controversy…

[Old Red]

I think a lot of fans are easily riled up by whatever poisoned tripe the mainstream sports media wants to feed them today. Hard pass.

 

I don’t think most fans go by what the mainstream media say. Fans who watch on NESN, or go to Fenway, and pay the highest priced tickets in baseball can see things for themselves. I don’t think you are giving the fans enough credit to figure things out on their own.

[Hugh2]

MVP makes a great point. Last weeks acquisition of Hoy Park illustrates it perfectly. 25 years ago nobody would even be taking about a guy who projects to sit on the AAA bench, but in 2022 there’s an article online about it and fans come foaming at the mouth about how Bloom is dumpster diving and use it to reinforce this belief that he’s turning us into Tampa North. Because Apparently big market teams aren’t supposed to field MiLB rosters

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Things that don't need to be typed (except by someone who feels the need because of something read online when the hot stove isn't yet lit):

 

Every team and GM dealt with Covid. Every club has injuries every year. And a last place team is still in the cellar no matter how many games it wins or loses.

 

Pick 4: Senga, Kluber, Eovaldi, Wacha, Rogers, Fulmer, Chafin, Eflin, Estevez, Miller, Moore, Martin?

[moonslav59]

2019: 203M

2022: 195M

 

Just a trim please.

 

We were talking about losing Porcello and Price. That's 2019 to 2020.

 

I'm also not sure where you got the $203M number for 2019.

 

cots has $236M opening day, $228M end of season and $244 Tax budget.

 

2020: $185 on the tax budget.

 

Yes, by March of 2022 we got back to close to the 2019 tax budget, which included non Bloom contracts (tax dollars):

 

25.6 Sale

22.0 JD

20.0 Bogey

17.0 Nate

16.0 Price

 

That's over $100M out of $235 spent on players. Some gave us value- sometimes in up and down years: some not so much value.

 

Do you really think Bloom's hand weren't tied for at least the first 2 years? With a farm full of just far away prospects and actual cuts to the budget, Bloom should have improved on the 2019 team?

 

I get the 2022 argument and figuring injuries are part of the game and planning, but the expectations many set on Bloom from day one were way out of whack, IMO.

 

[moonslav59]

I don’t think most fans go by what the mainstream media say. Fans who watch on NESN, or go to Fenway, and pay the highest priced tickets in baseball can see things for themselves. I don’t think you are giving the fans enough credit to figure things out on their own.

 

Because they still haven't figured it out.

[notin]

MVP makes a great point. Last weeks acquisition of Hoy Park illustrates it perfectly. 25 years ago nobody would even be taking about a guy who projects to sit on the AAA bench, but in 2022 there’s an article online about it and fans come foaming at the mouth about how Bloom is dumpster diving and use it to reinforce this belief that he’s turning us into Tampa North. Because Apparently big market teams aren’t supposed to field MiLB rosters

 

 

5Gold made an equally good point with his Clevinger update. To some fans, anything shy of All Star is bargain basement shopping…

[notin]

I don’t think most fans go by what the mainstream media say. Fans who watch on NESN, or go to Fenway, and pay the highest priced tickets in baseball can see things for themselves. I don’t think you are giving the fans enough credit to figure things out on their own.

 

You probably should stop speaking for people who aren’t you. The whole notion that your opinion is widespread among the fans is completely unsupported.

 

And unnecessary. We already take you seriously. You don’t need to pretend to be popular…

[Hugh2]

5Gold made an equally good point with his Clevinger update. To some fans, anything shy of All Star is bargain basement shopping…

 

Agreed, even the Dodgers don’t sign perineal mvp candidiases to play every position. People have equated the Sox poor financial decisions with a lack of desire to spend.

 

This isn’t Tampa North