2022 Sox Injury List

[mvp 78]

A team needing a UIF might be more interested in the cheaper Fitzpatrick…

 

Who?

[mvp 78]

Only here. At Talksox we see no reason you can't trade junk for jewels.

 

Our junk is another man's treasure. That's the adage, right?

[Bellhorn04]

Our junk is another man's treasure. That's the adage, right?

 

Yes, that is an adage, which is sometimes true, and sometimes utter nonsense LOL

[moonslav59]

Players like Arroyo get dealt all the time, usually in inconsequential deals. I just find it odd/unrealistic he has become the “go to” trade piece for filling actual needs…

 

He might not be any GMs first choice, but I'm not saying we'd get anything good for Arroyo.

[moonslav59]

Our junk is another man's treasure. That's the adage, right?

 

One man gathers what another man spills.

 

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Our junk is another man's treasure. That's the adage, right?

 

Been awhile since anyone treasured my junk... but I haven't held a garage sale in ages.

[notin]

Our junk is another man's treasure. That's the adage, right?

 

And yet rarely does the second man agree to trade his treasure for the first man’s junk…

[notin]

Who?

 

Sorry. Fitzgerald. Long story involving someone in the office. Similar name. Blah blah blah…

[mvp 78]

Sale is starting for the FCL Sox tonight.

[Larry Cook]

Sale is starting for the FCL Sox tonight.

 

First comes command and control of the fastball.

 

In the weeks to come, he will work on sharpening secondary pitches.

 

If all goes well, he should be in Boston by mid July or so.

[moonslav59]

Whitlock, Big Nate and Kike, soon.

 

Sale in July.

 

Paxton in August.

 

Who needs a trade deadline?

[Larry Cook]

Whitlock, Big Nate and Kike, soon.

 

Sale in July.

 

Paxton in August.

 

Who needs a trade deadline?

 

I think I saw our opposing pitchers laughing and holding their sides at the thought of us bringing hernandez off the dl and putting him in the lineup!

[moonslav59]

I think I saw our opposing pitchers laughing and holding their sides at the thought of us bringing hernandez off the dl and putting him in the lineup!

 

You and Red really don't have much faith in last year's playoff hero.

[Bellhorn04]

You and Red really don't have much faith in last year's playoff hero.

 

Recency is king for some.

[Old Red]

You and Red really don't have much faith in last year's playoff hero.

 

Playoff hero he was, and if he gets hot like that again that’s great, but I just see him for what he has been, which was a utility player 4th OF/ 5th IF with the Dodgers, which is what I believe brought to Boston to be, but turned into a excellent full time CF. Just a career 240 hitter, so anything more than that is a plus.

[Maxbialystock]

Playoff hero he was, and if he gets hot like that again that’s great, but I just see him for what he has been, which was a utility player 4th OF/ 5th IF with the Dodgers, which is what I believe brought to Boston to be, but turned into a excellent full time CF. Just a career 240 hitter, so anything more than that is a plus.

 

Ahem. Kike's 2018 WAR with the Dodgers was 3.2 with an OPS of .806 (lifetime .737). Also, he played in 140 games for the Dodgers in 2017, 145 in 2018, and 130 in 2019--the same three seasons when the Dodgers finished 1st all three times in the AL West.

 

So maybe you could ease up on characterizing him as a shmuck.

 

Last year his WAR was 4.9 and his OPS.786. His lifetime OPS is .737, and if he can get back just to that level, he will be a good addition to the lineup.

 

I don't see Kike as the savior of western civilization as we know it, but I do see an underperforming Sox outfield: JBJ's WAR is +.2, Cordero's + .1, Duran's -.1, Verdugo's -.3, Arroyo's -.8.

 

Oh, and Kike's having a lousy year so far, but his WAR is nevertheless +.3. Sheesh.

Edited June 20, 2022 by Maxbialystock

[Old Red]

Ahem. Kike's 2018 WAR with the Dodgers was 3.2 with an OPS of .806 (lifetime .737). Also, he played in 140 games for the Dodgers in 2017, 145 in 2018, and 130 in 2019--the same three seasons when the Dodgers finished 1st all three times in the AL West.

 

So maybe you could ease up on characterizing him as a shmuck.

 

Last year his WAR was 4.9 and his OPS.786. His lifetime OPS is .737, and if he can get back just to that level, he will be a good addition to the lineup.

 

I don't see Kike as the savior of western civilization as we know it, but I do see an underperforming Sox outfield: JBJ's WAR is +.2, Cordero's + .1, Duran's -.1, Verdugo's -.3, Arroyo's -.8.

 

Oh, and Kike's having a lousy year so far, but his WAR is nevertheless +.3. Sheesh.

 

What dictionary outside of yours does it say utility man is a shmuck? Yes Kike played lots of games with the Dodgers, but never had a full time position. Like I said anything more than a 240 Ave is a plus, so go to WAR all you want, but I won’t agree with you that Kike is any kind of shmuck.

Edited June 20, 2022 by Old Red

[moonslav59]

What dictionary outside of yours does it say utility man is a shmuck? Yes Kike played lots of games with the Dodgers, but never had a full time position. Like I said anything more than a 240 Ave is a plus, so go to WAR all you want.

 

Because he's good at several positions should not diminish his value to the Dodgers. You know the word "utility" has some bad connotations, and you can pretend it was not intended, but we can sense your disdain for Kike.

 

He more than just played "lots of games." he placed higher than many "regulars" in games and PAs.

 

2017

3rd in games played/ 9th in PA

 

2018

5th in games played/ 6th in PAs

 

2019

6th in games played/ 6th in PAs

 

 

BTW, in 2018, he had the most PAs in CF than any other Dodger, so was considered their CF'er, not utilityman. In 2019, he had the most PAs at 2B, and was not considered their utility man, that year either.

 

One more thing, he was more than just a playoff hero for the Sox. He was for the Dodgers in 2017 and 2018, too, AND, he was a stud from Junteenth to the end of the 2021 season- batting .267 15 44 in those 80 games (53 runs and 39 XBHs) with, dare I say, an .874 OPS. He also played more than solid D, all year long.

 

I know, I know; last year was last year- we know what your thinking, but the guys has been a very good player since 2018 and had a nice 2015 season, too.

 

Since 2018, his 650 PA line is...

 

.241 22 76 (58 XBHs) .743 OPS

 

Nobody said he was a great offensive player, but those numbers are more than decent, especially for a guy who play plus-plus D in the OF and plus D at 2B, while being capable at SS. I guess I just don't get what's not to like. The "measly" $7M contract? The fact that I dared praise his CF defense?

 

He was one of the most important players in our drive to make the playoffs, last year, and likely a top 5 or 6 reason we made it to the post season. He nearly, single-handedly, got us to the big dance.

Looks like a regular player to me- just without one position to call his own.

[moonslav59]

What dictionary outside of yours does it say utility man is a shmuck? Yes Kike played lots of games with the Dodgers, but never had a full time position. Like I said anything more than a 240 Ave is a plus, so go to WAR all you want, but I won’t agree with you that Kike is any kind of shmuck.

 

No. You need more than a .240 BA to have a plus in WAR. You need plus D, plus OBP or SLG to go with the .240 to be a plus.

 

Funny, how Renfroe's .238 career BA was never mentioned by you.

[Old Red]

Because he's good at several positions should not diminish his value to the Dodgers. You know the word "utility" has some bad connotations, and you can pretend it was not intended, but we can sense your disdain for Kike.

 

He more than just played "lots of games." he placed higher than many "regulars" in games and PAs.

 

2017

3rd in games played/ 9th in PA

 

2018

5th in games played/ 6th in PAs

 

2019

6th in games played/ 6th in PAs

 

 

BTW, in 2018, he had the most PAs in CF than any other Dodger, so was considered their CF'er, not utilityman. In 2019, he had the most PAs at 2B, and was not considered their utility man, that year either.

 

One more thing, he was more than just a playoff hero for the Sox. He was for the Dodgers in 2017 and 2018, too, AND, he was a stud from Junteenth to the end of the 2021 season- batting .267 15 44 in those 80 games (53 runs and 39 XBHs) with, dare I say, an .874 OPS. He also played more than solid D, all year long.

 

I know, I know; last year was last year- we know what your thinking, but the guys has been a very good player since 2018 and had a nice 2015 season, too.

 

Since 2018, his 650 PA line is...

 

.241 22 76 (58 XBHs) .743 OPS

 

Nobody said he was a great offensive player, but those numbers are more than decent, especially for a guy who play plus-plus D in the OF and plus D at 2B, while being capable at SS. I guess I just don't get what's not to like. The "measly" $7M contract? The fact that I dared praise his CF defense?

 

He was one of the most important players in our drive to make the playoffs, last year, and likely a top 5 or 6 reason we made it to the post season. He nearly, single-handedly, got us to the big dance.

Looks like a regular player to me- just without one position to call his own.

 

Shmuck, and Disdain you guys are quite the couple who just run off with things if it doesn’t fit your opinion, so I don’t give a damm if you think you can sense anything. He never had a full time position, so you call it one way, and I’ll call it another, and like I said anything more than hitting 240 is a plus. Utility player has bad connotations? that deserves more than a OMG.

Edited June 20, 2022 by Old Red

[moonslav59]

Shmuck, and Disdain you guys are quite the couple who just run off with things if if doesn’t fit your opinion, so I don’t give a damm if you think you can sense anything. He never had a full time position, so you call it one way, and I’ll call it another, and like I said anything more than hitting 240 is a plus. Utility player has bad connotations that deserves more than a OMG.

 

Who is "running off?"

 

You do know this site is designed for people to express differing opinions, and you act like we can't handle it, but only you can. Nice try.

 

btw, I could care less if you give a damn if I or others can sense your disdain for Kike. It seems pretty clear to me, but I do realize, it's just my opinion, and I could be wrong. Maybe you have posters of Kike in your bathroom.

 

Is it okay, if I try to present some facts that show you are wrong? Is that "going off?"

 

(At least I present facts to support my statements and opinions. We are all still waiting on your links that show all the sites graded the Betts trade as a failure for Bloom. You can't even produce one. Don't be lazy. Do some homework.)

 

[moonslav59]

Recency is king for some.

 

I think it goes deeper than that, for some- one in particular. He was showing disdain for Kike just about all 2021, too, until the playoffs. Then, just silence with maybe whispers of praise here and there.

Edited June 21, 2022 by moonslav59

[a700hitter]

Kike’s hot streak in the playoffs was not something he was going to be able to sustain. What is his career batting average and OBP? Not very good and that is over a lot of AB’s. He will play to the back of his very average stats on the back of his baseball card.

[moonslav59]

Kike’s hot streak in the playoffs was not something he was going to be able to sustain. What is his career batting average and OBP? Not very good and that is over a lot of AB’s. He will play to the back of his very average stats on the back of his baseball card.

 

Nobody expected Kike's playoff numbers to continue, nor his 80 game stretch before the playoffs. My point was that it matters little to some, how well he does, if his BA is around .240 he's not to be praised. If he's too good at several positions to hold one down full time, but gets more games and PAs than most regulars, he's nothing more than a utility man.

[a700hitter]

Kike’s versatility has value. If he was only a CFer, he’d have less value, because his offense isn’t that great. On this roster, his versatility will not bring much value, because Story and Xander play everyday.

[Larry Cook]

Sale went 1 inning, gave up 1 hit, 1 walk and 1 run, struck out 1.

[Old Red]

I think it goes deeper than that, for some- one in particular. He was showing disdain for Kike just about all 2021, too, until the playoffs. Then, just silence with maybe whispers of praise here and there.

 

One of Moon’s favorite words disdain. Moon I don’t have any disdain for you let alone any Red Sox player, or Minor League player for that matter, but even if I did there would be NOTHING wrong with that, because this is a site that welcomes any, and all opinions especially you. Just, because I don’t rate Kike as highly as you do, or think he was the best defensive Red Sox CF for one season like you do you think I don’t like him. You over analyze every time, and it doesn’t matter how many times you get it wrong you keep on doing it.I said I wouldn’t hire Cora back, and you took it from there, and said I hated Cora. You’ve been mister wrong way many more times than being Mister right, so disdain away all you want, but no crime committed.

[moonslav59]

Kike’s versatility has value. If he was only a CFer, he’d have less value, because his offense isn’t that great. On this roster, his versatility will not bring much value, because Story and Xander play everyday.

 

He is an excellent defensive CF'er, and it's always nice to have middle IF depth, in case of injury or need of rest. That has a lot of value on a team with just one other really good defensive CF/RF'er in Fenway (JBJ).

 

Having excellent meiddle IF'ers and no clear CF'er to play, if Kike moves to the IF, does hurt his versatility value, though. You are right.

[moonslav59]

One of Moon’s favorite words disdain. Moon I don’t have any disdain for you let alone any Red Sox player, or Minor League player for that matter, but even if I did there would be NOTHING wrong with that, because this is a site that welcomes any, and all opinions especially you. Just, because I don’t rate Kike as highly as you do, or think he was the best defensive Red Sox CF for one season like you do you think I don’t like him. You over analyze every time, and it doesn’t matter how many times you get it wrong you keep on doing it.I said I wouldn’t hire Cora back, and you took it from there, and said I hated Cora. You’ve been mister wrong way many more times than being Mister right, so disdain away all you want, but no crime committed.

 

I never said there is anything wrong with having disdain towards Sox players. I have disdain toward several, right now. I just wonder why it is guys like Kike and Story.

 

Go ahead and bring up the Cora statement, everytime you get exposed. I'll admit I was wrong for the umpteenth time. Maybe you get a kick out of that. Who knows?

 

BTW, you still have disdain for Cora, too. I just won't call it hate, again.

 

Can you please provide the link to all the sites calling the Betts trade a failure for Bloom? Even one site would be a step in the right direction.

 

See: I admit I'm wrong and am wrong, often. You run and hide. Change the subject. Pull your passive-aggressive stank out.

 

Maybe some talk show clown told you everyone called the Betts trade failure. Just curious where you read it.

[mvp 78]

Alex Speier of The Boston Globe reports that Chris Sale (ribs) will make another rehab start for the Red Sox' Florida Complex League affiliate later this week.

 

Speier adds that Sale will then head to one of the Red Sox' full-season affiliates, likely either Double-A Portland or Triple-A Worcester, to continue his rehab assignment next week. The 33-year-old left-hander, who is working his way back from a stress fracture in his right ribcage, is expected to make his season debut at some point in July.