Will JD Martinez pick up his player option for $19.35M?

[mvp 78]

Will JD Martinez pick up his player option for $19.35M?

[moonslav59]

I put no, but he might say no and re-sign here for a 2-4 years deal at less AAV.

[Bellhorn04]

I say yes.

[Old Red]

I put no, but he might say no and re-sign here for a 2-4 years deal at less AAV.

 

I could go with 2, but not 4.

[moonslav59]

I could go with 2, but not 4.

 

I put 4, because they could make that a low number to lower the AAV.

[Old Red]

I put 4, because they could make that a low number to lower the AAV.

 

I think he’s still got a few more years of run production in him 80-100 rbi, which would still be better than Schwaber.

[Kimmi]

Will JD Martinez pick up his player option for $19.35M?

 

Yes. I just don't see him opting out.

[moonslav59]

I think he’s still got a few more years of run production in him 80-100 rbi, which would still be better than Schwaber.

 

Schwarber must not get many rbi chances because his numbers don’t match the rbi totals:

 

Career BA/OPS

.237/.836

 

Career RISP:

.221/.826

 

Men on base:

.243/.850

 

Those numbers should have more rbis.

 

He also does not have many seasons with 600+ PAs. (1)

He has just 2 with over 472 PAs.

 

 

 

[moonslav59]

Yes. I just don't see him opting out.

 

Safety and security of the longer term deal that may not be there after 2022.

 

I’m not certain he will, but I’m leaning yes.

[notin]

I have argued for both sides. There are just obvious reasons to opt out and obvious reasons not to.

 

In the end, I think my final vote is he stays. And I’m saying this solely because the expiring CBA situation probably makes it the right call for him…

[S5Dewey]

I put no, but he might say no and re-sign here for a 2-4 years deal at less AAV.

 

This certainly is viable but I hope it doesn't happen.

 

This is one of those situations where he might want to sign a "Team friendly" contract. Players get traded because the trading team believes they can upgrade themselves by trading one player for several and IMO JDM will be worth his "team friendly"contract 2-3 years down the road. He's still a professional hitter and his knowledge and preparation won't wane in the next few years to the point where he's easily replaceable as a DH.

 

However... the flip side is the reason I don't want him to opt out. Players rarely - it happens but not often - leave a team and then immediately come back. See: Jon Lester and Mookie Betts. Some of us had that pipe dream that these two might leave and then come back and it didn't happen. Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.

[moonslav59]

This certainly is viable but I hope it doesn't happen.

 

This is one of those situations where he might want to sign a "Team friendly" contract. Players get traded because the trading team believes they can upgrade themselves by trading one player for several and IMO JDM will be worth his "team friendly"contract 2-3 years down the road. He's still a professional hitter and his knowledge and preparation won't wane in the next few years to the point where he's easily replaceable as a DH.

 

However... the flip side is the reason I don't want him to opt out. Players rarely - it happens but not often - leave a team and then immediately come back. See: Jon Lester and Mookie Betts. Some of us had that pipe dream that these two might leave and then come back and it didn't happen. Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.

 

Opting out isn't really going anywhere else, but I get your point.

 

I'm wondering what kind of longer term deal he can get on the market.

 

$32M/2?

 

$42M/3?

[jad]

Why would any player sign a so-called "team-friendly" contract to a team unwilling to offer a "player-friendly" contract in the same situation? Owners have proven over and over again that 'loyalty' is a concept teams only invoke, with all the hand-wringing laments, when it involves PLAYER loyalty to them. The only reason to sign any contract is if there are specific career and financial advantages for the player himself.

[Bellhorn04]

Why would any player sign a so-called "team-friendly" contract to a team unwilling to offer a "player-friendly" contract in the same situation? Owners have proven over and over again that 'loyalty' is a concept teams only invoke, with all the hand-wringing laments, when it involves PLAYER loyalty to them. The only reason to sign any contract is if there are specific career and financial advantages for the player himself.

 

The 100% team-friendly contract is pretty rare.

 

Bogaerts's contract was team-friendly in terms of the total dollar value, but the opt-out after 3 years was player-friendly.

[moonslav59]

The 100% team-friendly contract is pretty rare.

 

Bogaerts's contract was team-friendly in terms of the total dollar value, but the opt-out after 3 years was player-friendly.

 

Was Bogey done with his arbs when he signed that deal?

[mvp 78]

Was Bogey done with his arbs when he signed that deal?

 

It was signed right after they agreed to avoid arbitration for the third time.

[moonslav59]

It was signed right after they agreed to avoid arbitration for the third time.

 

So, he likely made more money in 2019 than he would have with the arb, but the next 2 years were very team friendly.

 

Overall, it looks like a clear, team-friendly deal.

[mvp 78]

So, he likely made more money in 2019 than he would have with the arb, but the next 2 years were very team friendly.

 

Overall, it looks like a clear, team-friendly deal.

 

No. He only made $12M in 2019, his final arb year in which they avoided arbitration. His contract was an extension AFTER that year was over.

[Bellhorn04]

No. He only made $12M in 2019, his final arb year in which they avoided arbitration. His contract was an extension AFTER that year was over.

 

Which makes it even friendlier.

[moonslav59]

No. He only made $12M in 2019, his final arb year in which they avoided arbitration. His contract was an extension AFTER that year was over.

 

ok. Yes, it was very team-freindly.

[mvp 78]

ok. Yes, it was very team-freindly.

 

I wouldn't say "very" considering the opt out.

[Bellhorn04]

I wouldn't say "very" considering the opt out.

 

"Moderately"?

[mvp 78]

"Moderately"?

 

Sure.

[moonslav59]

Very moderately.

[Bellhorn04]

Very moderately.

 

May have to call the grammar cops on that one...

[mvp 78]

Heyman:

 

JD Martinez declines to exercise optout and remains a Red Sox.

[notin]

Was Bogey done with his arbs when he signed that deal?

 

 

One year left….

[jad]

May have to call the grammar cops on that one...

 

Yeah, there may in the real world be 'degrees of moderation,' but I don't think that can be expressed in language. (e.g., it doesn't really make sense to call someone more average than someone else).

[notin]

Yeah, there may in the real world be 'degrees of moderation,' but I don't think that can be expressed in language. (e.g., it doesn't really make sense to call someone more average than someone else).

 

George Orwell might not agree with you here

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

George Orwell might not agree with you here

 

But is that good or wellian?