The 2021-2022 Offseason Thread

[harmony]

Notin and Harmony do you think Mitchy Haniger is on the Block Now ? Mariners have a ton of OF now with this trade ? Really like this player for Boston .His spray chart would be obscene in Fenway .

With the Opening Day uncertainty of Kyle Lewis and Julio Rodriguez, the Mariners are likely to open the year with a defensively suspect outfield of Mitch Haniger, Jarred Kelenic and Jesse Winker. Taylor Trammell could be in the mix and Roster Resource currently lists Abraham Toro as the Seattle designated hitter.

 

In his final year of team control, Haniger could be available at the trade deadline, especially if Julio Rodriguez has made a productive MLB debut.

[moonslav59]

Sometimes you just get the best player available. The market for the dirt cheap Langeliers will be even bigger than the one for Olson. Or they could move Murphy, who will appeal to a ton of teams himself…

 

Or, they could trade Soderstram and still have a decent young catcher behind Murphy.

[moonslav59]

McCuthchen to Milwaukee, as I bid farewell to my recommended LF platoon partner for Duran…

 

I guess he couldn't wait until after Suzuki signed and hope someone "settles" on him, afterwards.

[moonslav59]

Speaking of Suzuki, one report says these teams are still in the race: Padres, Dodgers, Red Sox, Giants, Mariners, and Cubs.

 

He's meeting with the Cubs, tonight.

 

The Astros are said to be back in the Correa race, as the owner pushed the GM to try again.

[Old Red]

Blue Fing Jays going balls deep for Shwarbs.Does our Chaim have the yips ????Iwant my Theo back .

 

Theo would not work for the allowance that Bloom gets for John Henry.

[Larry Cook]

Speaking of Suzuki, one report says these teams are still in the race: Padres, Dodgers, Red Sox, Giants, Mariners, and Cubs.

 

He's meeting with the Cubs, tonight.

 

The Astros are said to be back in the Correa race, as the owner pushed the GM to try again.

 

Hang’em Chaim facing some really tall odds!

[notin]

Or, they could trade Soderstram and still have a decent young catcher behind Murphy.

 

My prediction is Soderstrom never catches a game in MLB. Internally he’s probably their top option to replace Olson…

[moonslav59]

My prediction is Soderstrom never catches a game in MLB. Internally he’s probably their top option to replace Olson…

 

Yes, but maybe his value as a catcher is worth more to another team that it is at 1B for the A's.

[moonslav59]

Theo would not work for the allowance that Bloom gets for John Henry.

 

Bloom did spend $40M, last winter and might spend the same, this winter.

 

It's just hard to make big splash signings when you have 7-10 slots to fill for that $40M.

[Old Red]

Bloom did spend $40M, last winter and might spend the same, this winter.

 

It's just hard to make big splash signings when you have 7-10 slots to fill for that $40M.

 

When you say spending $40M isn’t he just replacing contracts? It’s not like he’s adding $40M more to the payroll from last year, and like you said to fill 7-10 roster slot’s that’s not much money to work with.

Edited March 15, 2022 by Old Red

[moonslav59]

When you say spending $40M isn’t he just replacing contracts? It’s not like he’s adding $40M more to the payroll from last year, and like you said to fill 7-10 roster slot’s that’s not much money to work with.

 

In a sense, yes, to some extent, but he did raise the lux tax budget line from $185M to $208M from 2020 to 2021, so he did add more than half of the "$40M" or so in beyond replacement spending.

 

Also, only DD was allowed to add and add and add beyond replacement spending year after year until that stopped before 2019.

 

Theo often saw his over spending go up and down, so he was not allowed to keep adding and adding beyond the replacement numbers. Theo's player salary budget went down in 2005 & 2006, up a ton in 2007, down in '08 & '09, up a ton in 2010, down again in '11, and under Ben up in '12, down in '13, about the same in '14 before jumping up a lot in '15 under DD. It went up again in 2016, stayed the same in '17 before jumping up a lot in 2018 and a little in 2019.

 

[moonslav59]

When you say spending $40M isn’t he just replacing contracts? It’s not like he’s adding $40M more to the payroll from last year, and like you said to fill 7-10 roster slot’s that’s not much money to work with.

 

We traded some salary in the summer of 2020- most would have been FAs, after that year, anyway. Then, we traded Beni. The Lux Tax numbers were:

13.8 Pedey

5.0 Beni

4.5 Pillar

3.5 Workman

3.0 Moreland

2.9 Peraza

1.6 Hembree

1.5 Lucroy

850K Osich

 

Countin Pedey, that comes to over $35M, so yes, most of Bloom's spending just replaced lost contracts from 2020, but isn't that what most teams do, even the Sox of the past for more years than not?

 

In Lux Tax dollars, here is what Bloom spent, last winter. (I did not count replacing Perez with Perez.)

10.0 Richards

8.9 Ottavino

14 (7 x 2) Kike

3.1 Renroe

3.0 Marwin

3.0 (1.5 x 2) Sawamura

2.1 Andriese

(Plus, the Barnes extension which counts towards 2022.)

 

Before 2022, we lost:

10 Richards

8.9 Ottavino

8.3 ERod

5.0 Perez

3.0 Marwin

2.1 Andriese

This is almost identical to the amount that came off the books the previous winter.

 

Bloom has added this, so far:

+8.9M JBJ over Renfroe's 2021 salary

+5M for Barnes extension

10 Paxton

7.0 Wacha

5.0 Hll

??? Diekman

3.0 Strahm

 

It looks like he's over $40M with more to spend.

[a700hitter]

[h=1]Red Sox Reportedly Showing Interest In Freddie Freeman[/h]https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2022/03/red-sox-rumors-freddie-freeman.html

 

I would love to see him in this lineup.

[moonslav59]

[h=1]Red Sox Reportedly Showing Interest In Freddie Freeman[/h]https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2022/03/red-sox-rumors-freddie-freeman.html

 

I would love to see him in this lineup.

 

Wow!

 

Newsflash!

[a700hitter]

Wow!

 

Newsflash!

LOL! I was making airport runs and watching a toddler yesterday. I have been out of touch.

[Old Red]

Wow!

 

Newsflash!

 

Interest is one thing, and making a serious bid is another. I was just listening to a talk show, and they said the Red Sox are cheap right now, and aren’t going to outbid anyone especially the Dodgers, or Yankees.

[Old Red]

We traded some salary in the summer of 2020- most would have been FAs, after that year, anyway. Then, we traded Beni. The Lux Tax numbers were:

13.8 Pedey

5.0 Beni

4.5 Pillar

3.5 Workman

3.0 Moreland

2.9 Peraza

1.6 Hembree

1.5 Lucroy

850K Osich

 

Countin Pedey, that comes to over $35M, so yes, most of Bloom's spending just replaced lost contracts from 2020, but isn't that what most teams do, even the Sox of the past for more years than not?

 

In Lux Tax dollars, here is what Bloom spent, last winter. (I did not count replacing Perez with Perez.)

10.0 Richards

8.9 Ottavino

14 (7 x 2) Kike

3.1 Renroe

3.0 Marwin

3.0 (1.5 x 2) Sawamura

2.1 Andriese

(Plus, the Barnes extension which counts towards 2022.)

 

Before 2022, we lost:

10 Richards

8.9 Ottavino

8.3 ERod

5.0 Perez

3.0 Marwin

2.1 Andriese

This is almost identical to the amount that came off the books the previous winter.

 

Bloom has added this, so far:

+8.9M JBJ over Renfroe's 2021 salary

+5M for Barnes extension

10 Paxton

7.0 Wacha

5.0 Hll

??? Diekman

3.0 Strahm

 

It looks like he's over $40M with more to spend.

 

My main point is that Bloom up to this point doesn’t have as big a checkbook as Theo, and DD did, and has to make more with less. From what I saw is the Sox are at $209M for LT purposes, and I don’t think they will go much higher.

[a700hitter]

I haven’t checked in for a couple of days. Was there any disappointment about Iglesias and Ottavino signing elsewhere. I say good riddance, especially to Ottavino who was a waste of $8 million.

[moonslav59]

LOL! I was making airport runs and watching a toddler yesterday. I have been out of touch.

 

Just yanking your chain.

[a700hitter]

Interest is one thing, and making a serious bid is another. I was just listening to a talk show, and they said the Red Sox are cheap right now, and aren’t going to outbid anyone especially the Dodgers, or Yankees.

 

Just yanking your chain.

All in good humor.

[dgalehouse]

I would be surprised if the Sox did not make a major signing or trade in the next few days. Can't let the Yanks and Jays gain the upper hand. Something has to happen. I wonder how ticket sales are going?

[Old Red]

Matt Olson to Braves.

 

8yr/ $168M

[Old Red]

Bogey not to keen to moving to another position.

[Hugh2]

I haven’t checked in for a couple of days. Was there any disappointment about Iglesias and Ottavino signing elsewhere. I say good riddance, especially to Ottavino who was a waste of $8 million.

 

What...Frank German doesn't excite you????

 

5.12 ERAs in AA as a 23 year old don't just grow on trees you know.

[notin]

8yr/ $168M

 

Of course that wasn’t a free agent deal…

[notin]

I haven’t checked in for a couple of days. Was there any disappointment about Iglesias and Ottavino signing elsewhere. I say good riddance, especially to Ottavino who was a waste of $8 million.

 

Iglesias did have a solid season for the Sox, but the Angels didn’t release him because he was just too darn productive…

[Old Red]

Of course that wasn’t a free agent deal…

 

Who said it was?

[redsoxrules]

[h=1]Red Sox Reportedly Showing Interest In Freddie Freeman[/h]https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2022/03/red-sox-rumors-freddie-freeman.html

 

I would love to see him in this lineup.

 

I would love this move as well but I just can't see it happening. Probably just driving up the price for the other teams involved. I hope he doesn't go to the Jay's.

[notin]

Who said it was?

 

Just clarifying. The response with the terms of a contract to the announcement of Olson’s acquisition does make it look like a free agent deal, when Olson was instead acquired via trade and extended…

[notin]

I would love this move as well but I just can't see it happening. Probably just driving up the price for the other teams involved. I hope he doesn't go to the Jay's.

 

San Diego is reportedly in.

 

Now if only there was a GM out there willing to help out by taking Hosmer and his contract. Anyone know a GM willing to take a bad deal if you pump up the return with prospects?

 

This is not an endorsement of Hosmer as much as it is an acknowledgment of one of Bloom’s MOs…