trade deadline

[Bellhorn04]

It is not clear that the two relievers the Red Sox acquired were even needed--the Red Sox have a few guys in AAA who might be just as good but aren't getting an opportunity in the major leagues.

 

I can understand that the cost for starting pitching upgrades was too expensive. I also realize that there were only a few upgrades on the market.

 

Nevertheless, I still think the Red Sox could have made some depth moves to replace brutally terrible hitters like Dalbec (73 OPS+), Cordero (47 OPS+), and Gonzalez (56 OPS+). The fact that these guys are still in the lineup speaks to the fact that there is something not quite right with the Red Sox front office and maybe blame should extend to Cora as well. Cora bitches and moans after every loss (lately) and then he turns around and puts the same garbage in the batting order the next day and then wonders why the offense is slumping.

 

Schwarber is definitely playing first base.

[notin]

It is not clear that the two relievers the Red Sox acquired were even needed--the Red Sox have a few guys in AAA who might be just as good but aren't getting an opportunity in the major leagues.

 

I can understand that the cost for starting pitching upgrades was too expensive. I also realize that there were only a few upgrades on the market.

 

Nevertheless, I still think the Red Sox could have made some depth moves to replace brutally terrible hitters like Dalbec (73 OPS+), Cordero (47 OPS+), and Gonzalez (56 OPS+). The fact that these guys are still in the lineup speaks to the fact that there is something not quite right with the Red Sox front office and maybe blame should extend to Cora as well. Cora bitches and moans after every loss (lately) and then he turns around and puts the same garbage in the batting order the next day and then wonders why the offense is slumping.

 

When Schwarber and Arroyo return, they will severely cutt into the playing time of Dalbec and Gonzalez, and probably remove Cordero from the active roster…

[notin]

I don't think anyone is saying the other teams mortgaged their future. It's more like we just didn't have the goods prospect-wise.

 

Hard to figure that we couldn't at least get a quality reliever, though.

 

Moon makes a valid point about the Sox defense.

 

If you give any credibility to FIP (and Porcello being unsigned doesn’t discredit it), the Sox starter ERA is 4.21, 7th in the AL. The starter FIP however is 3.91, a slightly more respectable 5th in the AL.

 

Davis and Robles have barely pitched, with each getting about 3 innings so far. But for both (Davis - 2.70 ERA, 1.66 FIP; Robles - 9.00 ERA, 0.83 FIP) the difference is already showing up.

 

Schwarber is definitely t going to solve the defensive woes of this team. He’s actually likely to contribute to them. (And Robles has at least had a few decent seasons; he’s not a horrible reliever.) But the only thing they did was maybe free up a potential pen like Houck to make a few more starts.

 

I suspect unless Richards makes a huge turnaround very soon, he could be DFAd to make room for Sale..

[Bellhorn04]

Richards and Perez have been unbelievably bad since the crackdown.

 

You almost have to give Richards credit for admitting he was f***ed without the stickum.

[notin]

Richards and Perez have been unbelievably bad since the crackdown.

 

You almost have to give Richards credit for admitting he was f***ed without the stickum.

 

Cora has both of them on an incredibly short leash as well.

 

With Sale and Schwarber both returning soon, the Sox will need to make room on the 40 man roster. I suppose it’s possible both of them are jettisoned.

 

That would leave the Sox incredibly shallow in the starting pitching department, however. Not sure what that solution is. Maybe we see Taylor take a few “starts” as an opener. That seems like an unwise strategy at this point in the season as it would certainly tax the bullpen. But then if Taylor (or whoever) only goes 2 innings, it’s really not that much less than what Perez and Richards are giving this team anyway…

[a700hitter]

It does hurt to see other team's deadline pick ups doing well and helping their team win ballgames . We can feel disappointed and a little envious, but we do need to make the best of it . We can always say , " Yeah , but look what they gave up . They mortgaged their farm and their future." That should help .

Sure, I am giggly all day about it.

[a700hitter]

Schwarber is definitely playing first base.

Reports are that he is working out at 1B.

 

The last time he moved to a new position, he got injured in his second game and missed almost the entire season.

[dgalehouse]

The thing I don't understand is mocking the Yankees's moves. They did a great job at the deadline. They got exactly what they needed, exactly what they were missing. And it is paying off already.

[a700hitter]

The thing I don't understand is mocking the Yankees's moves. They did a great job at the deadline. They got exactly what they needed, exactly what they were missing. And it is paying off already.

And the same people will be mocking them as they pass the Red Sox in the standings. That makes sense... right?

[Bellhorn04]

Reports are that he is working out at 1B.

 

The last time he moved to a new position, he got injured in his second game and missed almost the entire season.

 

And if you're feeling like me today, you're thinking that it'll probably happen again this year.

 

Maybe they're showing him the clip of Arroyo as a lesson on what not to do.

[dgalehouse]

And the same people will be mocking them as they pass the Red Sox in the standings. That makes sense... right?

 

And I can't see crying about giving up prospects. Prospects are prospects. Chances are they will never grow up to be as good as the guy you got for them. And there are more prospects coming along all the time.

[Bellhorn04]

The thing I don't understand is mocking the Yankees's moves. They did a great job at the deadline. They got exactly what they needed, exactly what they were missing. And it is paying off already.

 

I didn't mock them.

[Bellhorn04]

And I can't see crying about giving up prospects. Prospects are prospects. Chances are they will never grow up to be as good as the guy you got for them. And there are more prospects coming along all the time.

 

Well, yeah, but nobody forgets Bagwell for Andersen, either.

[dgalehouse]

I didn't mock them.

 

I know. It wasn't you.

[oldtimer]

Reports are that he is working out at 1B.

 

The last time he moved to a new position, he got injured in his second game and missed almost the entire season.

 

No doubt the Sox would like for Schwaber to fill in the need at 1st this year and perhaps transition to DH/LF when and if Casas gets promoted. Many fans don't feel confident about his ability to handle first nor about his ability to avoid injuries while playing a position that requires stretching out to receive throws.

[jacksonianmarch]

Casas isnt coming up until mid year next year. That is how it is done these days. Schwarber is a rental, plain and simple, and an injury prone one at that. He will also be out of position. I keep hearing about how he will be this massive upgrade, but he essentially will have missed almost 2 months of time by the time he is back in the sox lineup. Also, Schwarber is a streaky hitter who already had a ridiculous power surge in June. He may end up being cold Kyle for a bit which may not improve much

[notin]

The thing I don't understand is mocking the Yankees's moves. They did a great job at the deadline. They got exactly what they needed, exactly what they were missing. And it is paying off already.

 

Actually while I did feel the Yankees “too right-handed” criticism was stupid (they have pretty even splits as a team vs RHP and LHP), I thought Cashman had a good deadline. As I don’t know much about the prospects they gave up, those are the deals I do wonder why Bloom wasn’t involved. Although I get ignoring Heaney. And Gallo would have been an odd choice at 1b, since he’s already a Gold Glove outfielder. But Rizzo would have been nice…

[Fan_since_Boggs]

The thing I don't understand is mocking the Yankees's moves. They did a great job at the deadline. They got exactly what they needed, exactly what they were missing. And it is paying off already.

 

I'm one of Cashman's biggest critics, but the results are the results and he made some shrewd deadline moves that will probably get the Yankees into the playoffs.

 

I agree with those who gave the Yankees an "A" grade at the deadline and the Red Sox a "C" grade at the deadline and that seemed to be the majority opinion among commentators and sports writers. I like Schwarber, but the Red Sox could have added more depth to the offense. They should have been working on that instead of acquiring relievers who aren't much of an upgrade over AAA relief pitchers.

 

There were years where Dombrowski got the "A" grade and Cashman blew it, but Cashman kicked ass this time and Bloom needs to get better at this.

 

We could toss stones at some of Bloom's acquisitions, whether it is Downs, a broken hitter, or Wong, a broken hitter, or Cordero, who was broken the minute he crawled out of the womb, or the soon-to-be 24 year old F.German, who sucks at pitching. Rosario and Potts are nothing great, but I guess we can't expect much in return for M.Moreland. The Gonzalez signing was a waste of 3 mil. I'll give Bloom a pass on Richards, since he was a cheater and the Red Sox couldn't have known it. Looking back on some positives: Verdugo is a good player and I really like J.Winckowski. Whitlock was a genius move. The Phillies trade was awesome. The Yorke & Blaze Jordan draft looks pretty sweet. The Schwarber trade was awesome, assuming the Red Sox sign him a multi-year deal. I suspect the Red Sox plan to do that--they need his bat going forward. So far it has been a mixed bag for Bloom, definitely not flawless decision-making but I guess that kind of perfection isn't realistic. Overall, more positives than negatives--the organization seems to be headed in the right direction.

Edited August 6, 2021 by Fan_since_Boggs

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

Cora has both of them on an incredibly short leash as well.

 

With Sale and Schwarber both returning soon, the Sox will need to make room on the 40 man roster. I suppose it’s possible both of them are jettisoned.

 

That would leave the Sox incredibly shallow in the starting pitching department, however. Not sure what that solution is. Maybe we see Taylor take a few “starts” as an opener. That seems like an unwise strategy at this point in the season as it would certainly tax the bullpen. But then if Taylor (or whoever) only goes 2 innings, it’s really not that much less than what Perez and Richards are giving this team anyway…

 

"Incredibly shallow in the starting pitching department." That would pretty much define most of the season, so far.

[notin]

"Incredibly shallow in the starting pitching department." That would pretty much define most of the season, so far.

 

And yet we’re still in the postseason hunt.

 

I will say, after the first 3 games of the season, how many people thought the July 31st deadline complaints would be about Bloom not keeping the team competitive? What a difference 3 months can make…

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

And yet we’re still in the postseason hunt.

 

I will say, after the first 3 games of the season, how many people thought the July 31st deadline complaints would be about Bloom not keeping the team competitive? What a difference 3 months can make…

 

"SOX are still in the postseason hunt." Similar to hunting a wild boar unarmed(pitching); when you confront the boar, what are your chances of defeating that boar and going on to the next one? Slim and none.

Edited August 6, 2021 by SPLENDIDSPLINTER

[a700hitter]

And yet we’re still in the postseason hunt.

 

I will say, after the first 3 games of the season, how many people thought the July 31st deadline complaints would be about Bloom not keeping the team competitive? What a difference 3 months can make…

Except now they are the hunted.

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

Off topic:

 

Kimbrel, who was, perhaps, the best closer in baseball this season was inserted into the bottom of the 8th inning today as a set up pitcher for the White Sox regular closer. The White Sox had a 4-1 lead going into the bottom of the 8th, but after giving up 2 singles, Kimbrel then gave up a 3 run homer and the Cubs have tied it. Kimbrel didn't finish the inning. Point being is it a good idea to take a pitcher who has been programmed to be a closer his entire career and make him a set up guy? Obviously, it wasn't a good idea today.

Btw, as a closer for the Cubs this season before the trade deadline Kimbrel had only given up 1 HR.

[mvp 78]

Off topic:

 

Kimbrel, who was, perhaps, the best closer in baseball this season was inserted into the bottom of the 8th inning today as a set up pitcher for the White Sox regular closer. The White Sox had a 4-1 lead going into the bottom of the 8th, but after giving up 2 singles, Kimbrel then gave up a 3 run homer and the Cubs have tied it. Kimbrel didn't finish the inning. Point being is it a good idea to take a pitcher who has been programmed to be a closer his entire career and make him a set up guy? Obviously, it wasn't a good idea today.

Btw, as a closer for the Cubs this season before the trade deadline Kimbrel had only given up 1 HR.

 

Kimbrell is a chocker

[notin]

Off topic:

 

Kimbrel, who was, perhaps, the best closer in baseball this season was inserted into the bottom of the 8th inning today as a set up pitcher for the White Sox regular closer. The White Sox had a 4-1 lead going into the bottom of the 8th, but after giving up 2 singles, Kimbrel then gave up a 3 run homer and the Cubs have tied it. Kimbrel didn't finish the inning. Point being is it a good idea to take a pitcher who has been programmed to be a closer his entire career and make him a set up guy? Obviously, it wasn't a good idea today.

Btw, as a closer for the Cubs this season before the trade deadline Kimbrel had only given up 1 HR.

 

I find it hard to believe any closer just doesn’t try as hard just because it’s not the ninth inning.

 

It seems like it’s not uncommon for relievers to struggle after a trade. Kimbrel got beat up today. Diego Castillo had 2 blown saves. The Sox relievers have been scored upon. Ditto Yimi Garcia in his brief stints. Rodriguez and Graveman have been flawless so far.

 

I do wonder if maybe part of the problem comes with learning all new signs. A starter can have this problem, but then he gets yelled at by the catcher after t the first inning or so. But a lot of the guys I named come out for just one inning. And if they get confused before the catcher realizes it, I could see it being costly every now and then…

[Hugh2]

Casas isnt coming up until mid year next year. That is how it is done these days. Schwarber is a rental, plain and simple, and an injury prone one at that. He will also be out of position. I keep hearing about how he will be this massive upgrade, but he essentially will have missed almost 2 months of time by the time he is back in the sox lineup. Also, Schwarber is a streaky hitter who already had a ridiculous power surge in June. He may end up being cold Kyle for a bit which may not improve much

 

His career OPS puts him in the Devers/Bogaerts/JDM tier in Boston, this year, he’s 2nd. That’s a significant upgrade a team that is struggling mightily on offense.

 

Spot on for Casas, you seem to have more sense about him than the Bozos on WEEI planting delusions in some that Casas will be up in Boston.

[moonslav59]

I didn't mock them.

 

I did.

 

They sold off some good young talent for a pipe dream. Don't let jacko convince you the prospects they gave up were duplicates or blocked values.

 

The Yanks may make the playoffs, so that could be considered "worth it," especially if the players they got make a big difference, as they have in the first week of 9, but they will be worse in the long run for making these moves, and I'm still thrilled by that thought.

[Bellhorn04]

I did.

 

They sold off some good young talent for a pipe dream. Don't let jacko convince you the prospects they gave up were duplicates or blocked values.

 

The Yanks may make the playoffs, so that could be considered "worth it," especially if the players they got make a big difference, as they have in the first week of 9, but they will be worse in the long run for making these moves, and I'm still thrilled by that thought.

 

We all get our thrills different ways LOL

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

I find it hard to believe any closer just doesn’t try as hard just because it’s not the ninth inning.

 

 

We have seen starkly different performances of guys like Papelbon and Kimbrel in 8th innings or 10th innings or even 9ths coming into a tie game, rather than a save situation.

 

I never thought there was a lack of effort, but definitely a different mindset (produced by a combination of chemicals: adrenaline, greenies, Copenhagen, 5-Hour Energy, etc.)

[moonslav59]

We all get our thrills different ways LOL

 

You saying I'm kinky?

 

lol