trade deadline

[mvp 78]

It wouldn’t be easy to run the Red Sox franchise into the ground, but Henry has experience at running businesses into the ground.

 

They need to do additional concerts at Fenway next year to make up for lost revenue. Maybe it'll help tear up Duran's knee even earlier in his career.

[Fan_since_Boggs]

I wonder if this is true, Bloom punted on the season:

 

Perez. Dalbec. Richards. The number of #RedSox players the fans are "done with" grows. Here's the problem. Chaim Bloom didn't bring anyone else in to fill those roles. Bloom saw an overachieving team he didn't think would endure and punted '21 for '22. I've accepted that.

 

Perhaps the Schwarber acquisition was really all about 2022 as well. The Red Sox traded for him to put the organization in a better position to sign him to a multi-year deal.

[mvp 78]

The frustrating part is all of the high profile guys are working well for the teams that acquired them. If the Sox can't tread water and stay towards the top of the division, Bloom is going to learn what "feeding the monster" is all about.

[mvp 78]

I wonder if this is true, Bloom punted on the season:

 

 

 

Perhaps the Schwarber acquisition was really all about 2022 as well. The Red Sox traded for him to put the organization in a better position to sign him to a multi-year deal.

 

If he goes light again in FA, I don't know how people are going to stick by him for very long.

[mvp 78]

@SmittyOnMLB

Boston Red Sox sign reliever José De León to minor league contract

[notin]

I wonder if this is true, Bloom punted on the season:

 

 

 

Perhaps the Schwarber acquisition was really all about 2022 as well. The Red Sox traded for him to put the organization in a better position to sign him to a multi-year deal.

 

You can obviously trust the Insider Scoop of some guy named Jeff Abramo.

 

I wouldn’t say he punted. Reportedly he was in on talks for Scherzer and Berrios right up to the end. The problem is, the Sox simply didn’t have the prospects to outbid the winning teams…

[mvp 78]

You can obviously trust the Insider Scoop of some guy named Jeff Abramo.

 

I wouldn’t say he punted. Reportedly he was in on talks for Scherzer and Berrios right up to the end. The problem is, the Sox simply didn’t have the prospects to outbid the winning teams…

 

Wow, so much for Bloom being able to build prospect depth!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[notin]

Wow, so much for Bloom being able to build prospect depth!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

 

Rome wasn’t built in a single draft day…

[mvp 78]

Rome wasn’t built in a single draft day…

 

He's had two offseasons and two drafts to completely rebuild the husk of a developmental system that DD left the Sox with. What's the big deal?

[notin]

He's had two offseasons and two drafts to completely rebuild the husk of a developmental system that DD left the Sox with. What's the big deal?

 

And those pucks have had 3 whole months of minor league play in the past two years to show how ready they are for MLB!! What’s the hold up here?

[mvp 78]

And those pucks have had 3 whole months of minor league play in the past two years to show how ready they are for MLB!! What’s the hold up here?

 

Meyer already has a OBP of 1.000. He's ready to be called up.

[a700hitter]

The pitching pickups have been very helpful for opponents BAs.

[moonslav59]

If he goes light again in FA, I don't know how people are going to stick by him for very long.

 

He’s a HOF punter.

[moonslav59]

The pitching pickups have been very helpful for opponents BAs.

 

Today, yes.

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

@SmittyOnMLB

Boston Red Sox sign reliever José De León to minor league contract

 

I wonder if he's any relation to Ponce?

[Fan_since_Boggs]

Reportedly he was in on talks for Scherzer and Berrios right up to the end.

 

I'm not sure about Berrios but Rizzo came out and said the Red Sox were never serious players for Scherzer. The Red Sox pursuit of Scherzer may have been a media fabricated story, who knows where it came from.

[notin]

I'm not sure about Berrios but Rizzo came out and said the Red Sox were never serious players for Scherzer. The Red Sox pursuit of Scherzer may have been a media fabricated story, who knows where it came from.

 

Maybe.

 

There were stories about them being in it until the end, but also stories about the Padres having a deal in place. I can’t say with any certainty.

 

Now one thing we do know is even if he was dead set on not entering August without Scherzer, he really did not have the pieces to pull it off. Certainly Turner upped the price, but the Sox couldn’t do much to match an MLB-ready starting pitchers and an MLB-ready catcher, both of whom were ranked by every agency. I really doubt an offer of Casas and Duran gets it done at that point…

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Maybe.

 

There were stories about them being in it until the end, but also stories about the Padres having a deal in place. I can’t say with any certainty.

 

Now one thing we do know is even if he was dead set on not entering August without Scherzer, he really did not have the pieces to pull it off. Certainly Turner upped the price, but the Sox couldn’t do much to match an MLB-ready starting pitchers and an MLB-ready catcher, both of whom were ranked by every agency. I really doubt an offer of Casas and Duran gets it done at that point…

 

I never thought Bloom would give up his top prospects for older guys owed big money, even just to pay the rent. There wasn't even any way possible the Sox would take back Kimbrel for "free" and agree to pay him twice as much as Barnes.

 

I agree Boston's prospects may not have been as attractive as other club's. But what bothers me are the low level returns for actually decent relievers that it looks like Bloom was reluctant to part with.

 

For instance, Robles was swapped for minor league reliever Alex Scherff, 23. Meanwhile, the Braves got Richard Rodriguez for spot starter Bryce Wilson, also 23, plus a 22-year old A ball pitcher who's only thrown in 17 pro games. Bloom couldn't top that? Rodriguez has been way better than Robles the past few seasons...

[a700hitter]

Rome wasn’t built in a single draft day…

How was Rome’s starting rotation?

[Larry Cook]

I never thought Bloom would give up his top prospects for older guys owed big money, even just to pay the rent. There wasn't even any way possible the Sox would take back Kimbrel for "free" and agree to pay him twice as much as Barnes.

 

I agree Boston's prospects may not have been as attractive as other club's. But what bothers me are the low level returns for actually decent relievers that it looks like Bloom was reluctant to part with.

 

For instance, Robles was swapped for minor league reliever Alex Scherff, 23. Meanwhile, the Braves got Richard Rodriguez for spot starter Bryce Wilson, also 23, plus a 22-year old A ball pitcher who's only thrown in 17 pro games. Bloom couldn't top that? Rodriguez has been way better than Robles the past few seasons...

 

What does Hang’em Chaim see in this Robles guy? What good is throwing hard when you can’t command it?

[notin]

How was Rome’s starting rotation?

 

They had a f***ing dynasty, dude…

[notin]

I never thought Bloom would give up his top prospects for older guys owed big money, even just to pay the rent. There wasn't even any way possible the Sox would take back Kimbrel for "free" and agree to pay him twice as much as Barnes.

 

I agree Boston's prospects may not have been as attractive as other club's. But what bothers me are the low level returns for actually decent relievers that it looks like Bloom was reluctant to part with.

 

For instance, Robles was swapped for minor league reliever Alex Scherff, 23. Meanwhile, the Braves got Richard Rodriguez for spot starter Bryce Wilson, also 23, plus a 22-year old A ball pitcher who's only thrown in 17 pro games. Bloom couldn't top that? Rodriguez has been way better than Robles the past few seasons...

 

I don’t know. Could he have topped Bryse Wilson?

 

A common thread with a lot of the players dealt for pitching, including Wilson, Josiah Gray, Keibert Ruiz, Spencer Howard, Lane Thomas, Nick Madrigal, and probably a few others is that they weren’t really minor leaguers any more. These guys all had MLB experience. Did the Sox have any players who reached MLB but still had enough control to be a good trade piece? Should they have dealt Duran?

 

We did move Chavis for a pitcher. But if Nick Madrigal only gets you two months of Kimbrel, what’s Chavis worth?

[Nick]

Not here to bash Bloom but

 

He's not had to sign expensive free agents with the Rays organization. That's not his experience and maybe not in his wheelhouse.

 

He's made good trades to upgrade our team, such as bringing over Pivetta. It remains to be seen what his ceiling will be. He's definite upgrade over what we had in 2020.

 

Picking up Whitlock on Rule 5 on mere thousands was also a great pickup.

 

But lets examine potentially having to pay Richards $10M if his option is not picked up in 2021. That amount would represent the highest payroll on Rays team. I doubt that's a move he'd been allowed to make in the Rays organization. Only saving grace is it was only for a year.

 

As Sox fans we're conditioned to think nothing of pissing away few million here and few million there.

 

But that attitude is exactly what got us to where we are luxury payroll tax wise.

 

Then all the sudden the Boss says NO.

 

I'm not sure how long this 'rebuild' is going to take. As we wait on younger players to develop, our established players are getting older, possibly opting out, or require bigger contracts which will keep the team toeing the luxury tax line.

 

I just don't want to give Bloom a pass for pissing away $10M on a player that maybe DFA'd.

Edited August 6, 2021 by Nick

[Nick]

They had a f***ing dynasty, dude…

 

Yeah but they owned the umpires in the coliseum.

[a700hitter]

Prior to becoming a member of the Dodgers, there were rumors that the Red Sox were “in the mix” of the Max Scherzer sweepstakes. However, it doesn’t seem as if talks got very far, according to Nationals general manager Mike Rizzo. When asked about the report that Scherzer was willing to waive his no-trade rights to join Boston’s rotation, Rizzo said, “We never got that close to a deal with the Red Sox so that was never a question that was posed to him,” according to Chris Cotillo of MassLive.com, relaying an interview with Rizzo on 106.7 The Fan.

Fake News!

[notin]

Fake News!

 

Old news.

 

It still doesn’t fact the the Nationals accepted a package of an MLB ready starting pitcher and an MLB ready catcher, both of whom were ranked very highly by every by scouting bureau and both immediately fill positions the Nationals need. What exactly do you think the Sox should have offered for Scherzer that was so much better but Bloom held back?

[Bellhorn04]

I wonder if he's any relation to Ponce?

 

SPLINTER, Daniel Ponce de Leon is a relief pitcher for the Cards.

[dgalehouse]

It does hurt to see other team's deadline pick ups doing well and helping their team win ballgames . We can feel disappointed and a little envious, but we do need to make the best of it . We can always say , " Yeah , but look what they gave up . They mortgaged their farm and their future." That should help .

[Fan_since_Boggs]

It is not clear that the two relievers the Red Sox acquired were even needed--the Red Sox have a few guys in AAA who might be just as good but aren't getting an opportunity in the major leagues.

 

I can understand that the cost for starting pitching upgrades was too expensive. I also realize that there were only a few upgrades on the market.

 

Nevertheless, I still think the Red Sox could have made some depth moves to replace brutally terrible hitters like Dalbec (73 OPS+), Cordero (47 OPS+), and Gonzalez (56 OPS+). The fact that these guys are still in the lineup speaks to the fact that there is something not quite right with the Red Sox front office and maybe blame should extend to Cora as well. Cora bitches and moans after every loss (lately) and then he turns around and puts the same garbage in the batting order the next day and then wonders why the offense is slumping.

[Bellhorn04]

It does hurt to see other team's deadline pick ups doing well and helping their team win ballgames . We can feel disappointed and a little envious, but we do need to make the best of it . We can always say , " Yeah , but look what they gave up . They mortgaged their farm and their future." That should help .

 

I don't think anyone is saying the other teams mortgaged their future. It's more like we just didn't have the goods prospect-wise.

 

Hard to figure that we couldn't at least get a quality reliever, though.