July 17: BOS (Eovaldi) @ NYY (Cole)

[jung]

This stopped being baseball after the 5th inning. After that it became a freak show.

 

I grew up outside of New York and had to deal with them at Fenway and Yankee Stadium for a lifetime most particularly during the 70's and 80's when these games took on proportions of all our fan warfare. Winning this game will say to some of those nimrods that they should throw at an opponent Ofer every game. "Yah...we know how to win now!"

[Tedballgame]

Now they delay the game?

 

Should have never started the bottom of the 6th.

[d-money]

It’s not raining as hard here in Manhattan right now.

[Tedballgame]

Absolutely f***ing unacceptable to lose to this depleted team total failure by everyone from top to bottom

 

Game is not over yet.

[d-money]

Start the damn game even if it’s rain. You played through it.

[Swiharts Ghost]

Game is not over yet.

 

We can win this game and we should win this game

[TylerD]

It’s official. They called it

 

We lost 3_1

[d-money]

*******s. Get em tomorrow. Need this offense to wake up tomorrow.

[illinoisredsox]

Some of you really need to get a grip.

 

The field at this point is in absolutely horrible condition. That is not going to change tonight. It’s not worth players possibly getting hurt.

 

Do I wish the game had been called at the end of 5? Sure. All that would have happened is they would have picked up the game from that point tomorrow as a suspended game.

 

Cole was vintage Cole tonight. It was going to be hard to win this one regardless.

[Swiharts Ghost]

No excuse to lose to that depleted of a team I don’t see anyway they win the division with this current lineup with Bobby D

[d-money]

No excuse to lose to that depleted of a team I don’t see anyway they win the division with this current lineup with Bobby D

 

We will get them tomorrow. Just need this offense to wake up.

[Larry Cook]

Good news today: Duran with a hit and walk in first game.

 

Bad news today: rest of offense could not say the same. Maybe the weather was the problem,

[TylerD]

Some of you really need to get a grip.

 

The field at this point is in absolutely horrible condition. That is not going to change tonight. It’s not worth players possibly getting hurt.

 

Do I wish the game had been called at the end of 5? Sure. All that would have happened is they would have picked up the game from that point tomorrow as a suspended game.

 

Cole was vintage Cole tonight. It was going to be hard to win this one regardless.

Agreed, and Cole was good but losing to a team with that many players out doesn’t sit right with me. They were bound to beat us eventually but tonight was just s***.

[Fan_since_Boggs]

Blooms a f***ing clown not to have replaced that Sack of s*** playing first

 

I thought that Dalbec's effort on that foul territory fly ball from earlier in the game left something to be desired. It was a tough play, but he wasn't going all out. I don't recall the inning but it was early in the game. The ball just eluded him as he was nearing the stands in foul territory. Sure, he doesn't want to kill himself by running into the wall, but he had some extra room to maneuver.

 

Kind of strange -- you would think he would go all out on defense to make to make up for his woes on offense.

 

Also, I'll need up look up the data, but as far as the eye test goes, he seems to hit too many balls on the ground. The Red Sox need him to elevate the ball, hit the ball in the air to take advantage of his power.

Edited July 18, 2021 by Fan_since_Boggs

[Maxbialystock]

Good summary.

[moonslav59]

i was going to call this the worst game of the year, but calling it evens game does a disservice to the sport. This was a travesty on so many levels.

 

Baseball will die if this sort of thing keeps happening.

[jung]

Start the damn game even if it’s rain. You played through it.

 

Oh no......the managers would worry that their precious starting pitchers would be forced to sit through a long delay after only two innings of work. Never mind that they have another 13 pitchers sitting behind them cooling their heels and they just all came off a 3 day break.

[a700hitter]

This was a fiasco of a game. The field was a mess for the last 3 innings.

[jad]

I thought that Dalbec's effort on that foul territory fly ball from earlier in the game left something to be desired. It was a tough play, but he wasn't going all out. I don't recall the inning but it was early in the game. The ball just eluded him as he was nearing the stands in foul territory. Sure, he doesn't want to kill himself by running into the wall, but he had some extra room to maneuver.

 

Kind of strange -- you would think he would go all out on defense to make to make up for his woes on offense.

 

Also, I'll need up look up the data, but as far as the eye test goes, he seems to hit too many balls on the ground. The Red Sox need him to elevate the ball, hit the ball in the air to take advantage of his power.

 

You really expect some guy who has never played in a particular field simply to run flat out into a wall to prove to you what grit he has?

[Maxbialystock]

i was going to call this the worst game of the year, but calling it evens game does a disservice to the sport. This was a travesty on so many levels.

 

Baseball will die if this sort of thing keeps happening.

 

A contrarian thought: if you look at the box score, it was a pure and simple game with the right pitcher winning. Cole pitched in the rain as much as Eovaldi and Sawamura did, but he only gave up 1 run (on a ground out) on 4 singles and 1 double. He struck out 11, including JDM 3 times and Devers twice. The Yankees tied it in the 5th on a long double by Allen and a single by LeMahieu and went ahead in the 6th on two dingers, by Sanchez and Torres, given up by Sawamura.

 

The travesty part was of course playing in all that rain and puddles, but MLB has been doing a lot of that in recent years. It was made worse by knowing that the Yankees refused to start the game at 7:15 when it wasn't raining and did start at 8:05 when it was. It's possible those 50 minutes helped some of the fans get beered up so that by the 6th one of the Yankees fans decided to throw a ball at Verdugo. Terrible, but also not without precedent.

 

As for the calls by the umpires, especially the one at home plate, I thought they were about right on balls and strikes and especially (by the 1b ump) on Vazquez's checked swing. It's a judgment call and I've seen plenty of strikes called on "checked" swings like his. Plus, he did that on an 0-2 count against Cole, so he was toast even if he gets a ball called on that pitch. Beyond any question Cole was the dominant force in that game, which is about par for him.

[bkzwhitestrican]

You really expect some guy who has never played in a particular field simply to run flat out into a wall to prove to you what grit he has?

 

That's what Tim Locastro did, and he got a torn ACL for it.

[Tedballgame]

The Yankee fan who hit Verdugo with the ball should be arrested and do some jail time but we know that will never happen in NYC. Criminals walk the streets freely there and some go to Yankee Stadium.

[bkzwhitestrican]

The Yankee fan who hit Verdugo with the ball should be arrested and do some jail time but we know that will never happen in NYC. Criminals walk the streets freely there and some go to Yankee Stadium.

 

DeBlasio actually started a program where the city would give rewards for people to show up to their court dates for various degrees of criminal charges, and one of the prizes was baseball tickets. So you may be right.

[Bellhorn04]

The travesty part was of course playing in all that rain and puddles, but MLB has been doing a lot of that in recent years. It was made worse by knowing that the Yankees refused to start the game at 7:15 when it wasn't raining and did start at 8:05 when it was.

 

That's the part that defies any reasoning.

[Maxbialystock]

That's the part that defies any reasoning.

 

According to the WEEI guys, who discussed it endlessly during the game, when the game started was/is the home team's call, and the Yankees wanted to time it to ensure that Cole didn't get out there, pitch a couple of innings, and then have a long delay, after which he couldn't pitch. As it turned out, he did get in 6 innings and pitched well enough to get a win, but the 50 minutes delay proved to have been stupid because it rained throughout the 6 innings played.

 

Or, if you are a Yankees fan and your team won with your best starter--one of the best in MLB--getting the win, it was freaking brilliant.

[Bellhorn04]

According to the WEEI guys, who discussed it endlessly during the game, when the game started was/is the home team's call, and the Yankees wanted to time it to ensure that Cole didn't get out there, pitch a couple of innings, and then have a long delay, after which he couldn't pitch. As it turned out, he did get in 6 innings and pitched well enough to get a win, but the 50 minutes delay proved to have been stupid because it rained throughout the 6 innings played.

 

Or, if you are a Yankees fan and your team won with your best starter--one of the best in MLB--getting the win, it was freaking brilliant.

 

Right, but how did the weather forecast play into this? The only way it makes sense is if the original forecast showed clear/rain/clear, and it turned out to be actually clear/rain/rain harder.

[Maxbialystock]

Right, but how did the weather forecast play into this? The only way it makes sense is if the original forecast showed clear/rain/clear, and it turned out to be actually clear/rain/rain harder.

 

The WEEI guys at one point, maybe 9:30, opined there might be something like clear-rain-clear, but it never happened. Besides, it's really really hard to predict gaps when you are in the middle a lot of rain clouds.

 

On the other hand, last night it sure looked to me as though Cole had absolutely no problem pitching in the rain, which was not true of Eovaldi (two HBP's and and a walk in 5 innings) and absolutely not true of Sawamura, who gave up 2 dingers in the 6th.

 

So maybe the Yankees anticipated that and used their home team perogative on when the game started to ensure everyone pitched in the rain. If they did, it worked like a charm. Don't forget that, once the game starts, the umpires control any other delays. They are, however, under immense pressure from MLB to push playing in the rain to the limit.

[Bellhorn04]

So maybe the Yankees anticipated that and used their home team perogative on when the game started to ensure everyone pitched in the rain. If they did, it worked like a charm. Don't forget that, once the game starts, the umpires control any other delays. They are, however, under immense pressure from MLB to push playing in the rain to the limit.

 

It raises some interesting questions on the circumstances under which the home team can delay the start of a game. I suspect the guidelines are not as clear-cut as I'd like them to be.

[dgalehouse]

That's what Tim Locastro did, and he got a torn ACL for it.

 

Exactly. It's easy for fans to expect all out recklessness, but sometimes discretion is the better part of valor. Especially when chasing a foul pop in the rain in July.

[jad]

The Yankee fan who hit Verdugo with the ball should be arrested and do some jail time but we know that will never happen in NYC. Criminals walk the streets freely there and some go to Yankee Stadium.

 

That is total b.s. I lived in NYC for several years, and it's the only place I've lived where I was never the victim of any crime, never subject to verbal or physical abuse. It's a great place to live (or was, when it was still affordable).