2020-2021 Offseason Thread

[Bellhorn04]

I think one of the frustating angles sox fans are taking is that Bloom is being almost too patient. If you are gonna rebuild, rebuild. If you are gonna go for it, go for it. This middle ground with talented players who are playing out their time in Boston but a clear understanding that the team isnt going anywhere must be frustrating. I would say either blow up the whole damn thing or start to add. Then again, maybe that is the idea and Bloom isnt seeing the kind of returns he would like?

 

They've got $30 million to spend without paying any tax.

 

If they don't spend it, it's basically just staying in JH's pocket.

 

So spend it.

 

If it's spent wisely the team has a shot at a wild card spot.

[moonslav59]

Springer isn't a glorified platoon player like Crawford at least.

 

No, he isn't, and he could easily prove me wrong.

 

They guy has done great in the playoffs, but watching him a lot, down here in Houston, I just get a bad vibe.

 

He'll turn 32, this season.

 

It's hard to knock is .953 OPS since 2019 and 53 HRs in 663 ABs over those 173 games, so we'll see.

[notin]

They've got $30 million to spend without paying any tax.

 

If they don't spend it, it's basically just staying in JH's pocket.

 

So spend it.

 

If it's spent wisely the team has a shot at a wild card spot.

 

Exactly.

 

Even if the team is not "all in" as Kennedy said, it at least could become a watchable product that provides many hours of enjoyment for the fans...

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Technically they can still do that with Bauer and Ozuna. But they won't.

 

Maybe Odorizzi and Ozuna?

 

Maybe, but the Sox already have had months to sign them. Bradford's most telling line: "Every single time this ownership group has wanted a free agent ... truly wanted a free agent ... they did whatever it took to get him."

[notin]

Maybe, but the Sox already have had months to sign them. Bradford's most telling line: "Every single time this ownership group has wanted a free agent ... truly wanted a free agent ... they did whatever it took to get him."

 

You know, I was saying that same thing just the other day to Mark Teixeira...

[Bellhorn04]

Exactly.

 

Even if the team is not "all in" as Kennedy said, it at least could become a watchable product that provides many hours of enjoyment for the fans...

 

Yeah, what makes me a little nervous is that the Sox may be taking the stance that if you're not all-in, you might as well punt and keep the money.

[mvp 78]

They've got $30 million to spend without paying any tax.

 

If they don't spend it, it's basically just staying in JH's pocket.

 

So spend it.

 

If it's spent wisely the team has a shot at a wild card spot.

 

Even just grab guys on 1 year contracts. That isn't impacting the "build back up" nonsense.

[mvp 78]

The only way I'm ok with them not spending most of the $30M on FA's is if they are using a portion of that money to extend Devers.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

You know, I was saying that same thing just the other day to Mark Teixeira...

 

Maybe the Sox didn't do whatever it took to get Tex because they already had a first baseman who won the Gold Glove in '07, was 3rd in MVP in '08, and 6th in MVP in '09. Of course, moving Youk back to third in his 30s instead of keeping a future Hall of Famer is underrated in the Boston bumbles of history.

[Bellhorn04]

The only way I'm ok with them not spending most of the $30M on FA's is if they are using a portion of that money to extend Devers.

 

Sure, or E-Rod.

[moonslav59]

They've got $30 million to spend without paying any tax.

 

If they don't spend it, it's basically just staying in JH's pocket.

 

So spend it.

 

If it's spent wisely the team has a shot at a wild card spot.

 

This is exactly how I see it, and for those thinking we've lost out on all the best players, there is still plenty of talent on the market at all the positions we need.

 

Not counting trade possibilities:

 

SP

Bauer (near impossible we sign him)

Odorizzi, Tanaka, Paxton

Walker or Richards,

Wainwright, Porcello, C Hamels or Archer

 

Closer

Hand (very unlikely we sign him)

Rosenthal

Colome

 

RP

Melancon, Green, McGee

Soria, O'Day, Kintzler

 

CF

(Ozuna - trade Beni & acquire a CF'er or Verdugo to CF- Renfroe to RF)

JBJ (too much $$$?)

Pillar or Gardner

Marisnik, B Hamilton

 

2B

Semien or K Wong

La Stella, C Hernandez

K Hernandez, B Miller, Profar, Villar or Schoop

 

1B?: Moreland (why?)

[Bellhorn04]

Maybe the Sox didn't do whatever it took to get Tex because they already had a first baseman who won the Gold Glove in '07, was 3rd in MVP in '08, and 6th in MVP in '09. Of course, moving Youk back to third in his 30s instead of keeping a future Hall of Famer is underrated in the Boston bumbles of history.

 

Nah, Tex just preferred to play in NY, all else being equal. Not much you can do about that.

[notin]

Yeah, what makes me a little nervous is that the Sox may be taking the stance that if you're not all-in, you might as well punt and keep the money.

 

And if this was the NFL or the NBA, that strategy has a little more merit. But in MLB, the benefit of punting a season has no impact beyond taking in less cash...

[moonslav59]

Sure, or E-Rod.

 

Agree, but only after an extensive physical evaluation and or waiting to see how he does by midway through 2021.

[notin]

This is exactly how I see it, and for those thinking we've lost out on all the best players, there is still plenty of talent on the market at all the positions we need.

 

Not counting trade possibilities:

 

SP

Bauer (near impossible we sign him)

Odorizzi, Tanaka, Paxton

Walker or Richards,

Wainwright, Porcello, C Hamels or Archer

 

Closer

Hand (very unlikely we sign him)

Rosenthal

Colome

 

RP

Melancon, Green, McGee

Soria, O'Day, Kintzler

 

CF

(Ozuna - trade Beni & acquire a CF'er or Verdugo to CF- Renfroe to RF)

JBJ (too much $$$?)

Pillar or Gardner

Marisnik, B Hamilton

 

2B

Semien or K Wong

La Stella, C Hernandez

K Hernandez, B Miller, Profar, Villar or Schoop

 

1B?: Moreland (why?)

 

The Sox could sign Odorizzi ($14mill), Colome ($6mill per MLBTR), Marisnick (we'll say $3mill) and then deal for Frazier ($4.3mill) and be under the limit, but with very little room to add and stay under. But the team might actually be good. Not great, but good...

[mvp 78]

Sure, or E-Rod.

 

I wouldn't extend him until we have a better idea of where he is physically.

[mvp 78]

This is exactly how I see it, and for those thinking we've lost out on all the best players, there is still plenty of talent on the market at all the positions we need.

 

Not counting trade possibilities:

 

SP

Bauer (near impossible we sign him)

Odorizzi, Tanaka, Paxton

Walker or Richards,

Wainwright, Porcello, C Hamels or Archer

 

Closer

Hand (very unlikely we sign him)

Rosenthal

Colome

 

RP

Melancon, Green, McGee

Soria, O'Day, Kintzler

 

CF

(Ozuna - trade Beni & acquire a CF'er or Verdugo to CF- Renfroe to RF)

JBJ (too much $$$?)

Pillar or Gardner

Marisnik, B Hamilton

 

2B

Semien or K Wong

La Stella, C Hernandez

K Hernandez, B Miller, Profar, Villar or Schoop

 

1B?: Moreland (why?)

 

Odorizzi (13M), Colome (6.5M), Soria(3.5M), Pillar (2.5M), KHern (4.5M)?

[moonslav59]

Odorizzi (13M), Colome (6.5M), Soria(3.5M), Pillar (2.5M), KHern (4.5M)?

 

I think K Hernandez will just cost $1.5M to $2.5M.

 

Maybe you meant C Hernandez.

 

We may want to keep $1-2M for the deadline.

 

We could also trade Beni for a cheap CF'er, 2Bman or RP'er and add some budget space that way.

 

Your plan would make me happy.

[moonslav59]

Odorizzi (13M), Colome (6.5M), Soria(3.5M), Pillar (2.5M), KHern (4.5M)?

 

I might go with something like this:

 

Odorizzi (13), Colome (6.5), Rosenthal (6.5), Kike (2.5), Marisnik (1.5)

[mvp 78]

I think K Hernandez will just cost $1.5M to $2.5M.

 

Maybe you meant C Hernandez.

 

We may want to keep $1-2M for the deadline.

 

We could also trade Beni for a cheap CF'er, 2Bman or RP'er and add some budget space that way.

 

Your plan would make me happy.

 

Maybe I'm valuing Kiké a little too high because I only followed the 2018 version when he was a 3 fWAR guy.

[moonslav59]

Maybe I'm valuing Kiké a little too high because I only followed the 2018 version when he was a 3 fWAR guy.

 

I think he'd be a nice signing. Kind of the "under the rdar" type signing Bloom is known for- although other teams are in on the "secret."

[notin]

Odorizzi (13M), Colome (6.5M), Soria(3.5M), Pillar (2.5M), KHern (4.5M)?

 

What about something like

 

Archer ($4mill), Colome ($6mill), La Stella ($6mill), Rodon ($1.5 mill + incentives) and Marisnick ($3mill)?

 

Somehow I think more of these guys find their way on to Bloom's radar...

[moonslav59]

What about something like

 

Archer ($4mill), Colome ($6mill), La Stella ($6mill), Rodon ($1.5 mill + incentives) and Marisnick ($3mill)?

 

Somehow I think more of these guys find their way on to Bloom's radar...

 

That's only $20M, and Marisnik may get just $1.5-2M, no?

[jacksonianmarch]

Where are the contingency plans from Bloom? I have been wondering this since last year. He seems to accumulate guys who have never even had a single good season at the big league level rather than guys who have been a flash in the pan back in the day. Might as well sign 4 or 5 guys who had one good season and then sucked than get guys who have only sucked. Maybe one of them finds it again for a year and you can ride them until they fade. It is the classic Yankee way to have a bunch of fall back options down on their luck and one of them comes up big.

[Kimmi]

Yeah, what makes me a little nervous is that the Sox may be taking the stance that if you're not all-in, you might as well punt and keep the money.

 

I cannot see that happening at all.

[notin]

That's only $20M, and Marisnik may get just $1.5-2M, no?

 

Safer to overestimate than underestimate...

[Bellhorn04]

Safer to overestimate than underestimate...

 

There's no reason to play it safe in here.

[moonslav59]

I cannot see that happening at all.

 

We may focus more on building up the farm (Beni trade) and roster depth- both can improve our longer term outlook, while roster depth can help in 2021.

 

I do think we sign or acquire at least two players that will significantly help our 2021 roster and maybe beyond.

[jacksonianmarch]

For a rebuild on a team with cash available, I’ve always wondered why a team doesn’t load up on a bunch of one year deals and then sell off the ones that hit at the deadline and essentially turn the one year of cash outlay into a prospect haul?

[mvp 78]

Where are the contingency plans from Bloom? I have been wondering this since last year. He seems to accumulate guys who have never even had a single good season at the big league level rather than guys who have been a flash in the pan back in the day. Might as well sign 4 or 5 guys who had one good season and then sucked than get guys who have only sucked. Maybe one of them finds it again for a year and you can ride them until they fade. It is the classic Yankee way to have a bunch of fall back options down on their luck and one of them comes up big.

 

He's trying to add depth to the org as a whole (the "building back up" gimmick). Only problem with that is he needs to add some top end guys too.