2020-2021 Offseason Thread

[moonslav59]

Yes, and they don't calculate it till after the season. There are year end accounting adjustments to be made by the bean-counters for things like opt-outs that are exercised.

 

I remember one year, I think the Sox felt like they got under the limit, but ended up over by a very small amount.

[jacksonianmarch]

Tanaka is apparently looking for $15+M/1.

 

I will be really annoyed if this is true. $4 mil for a better known and healthier commodity. Kluber isnt a power pitcher either, so it isnt like we are getting a guy with better stuff.

[Bellhorn04]

I remember one year, I think the Sox felt like they got under the limit, but ended up over by a very small amount.

 

I think I already looked into that and found it wasn't so.

[Bellhorn04]

Padres to acquire Musgrove. Wow, they are gobbling up starting pitchers this offseason like Pac-Man.

[moonslav59]

I think I already looked into that and found it wasn't so.

 

I think we paid just $21K in 1999. That does not mean we thought we stayed under, but we did cut it pretty close. Had we dumped some of our plaayers a few weeks early, we'd have reset in 1999- not that it would have made a world of difference.

[moonslav59]

Looks like Lester to the Nats.

[Larry Cook]

Looks like Lester to the Nats.

 

Nice signing by Washington!

[mvp 78]

@Rotoworld_BB

Report: Blue Jays are a "finalist' for Kirby Yates

[notin]

@Rotoworld_BB

Report: Blue Jays are a "finalist' for Kirby Yates

 

Also pr MLBTR. Although I strongly suspect they use Rotoworld as a source...

[mvp 78]

Also pr MLBTR. Although I strongly suspect they use Rotoworld as a source...

 

Yeah, I think MLBTR relies on everyone else for their info.

[notin]

Yeah, I think MLBTR relies on everyone else for their info.

 

They do, and they readily admit it. They really just started out compiling blogs and online articles from a variety of sources and bringing them all on to one website.

 

But they also do use fantasy advice site Rotoworld (who does the same thing) as one of those sources. Numerous times, I've seen updates on Rotoworld that would appear later on MLBTR. So either they peruse Rotoworld or use the same sources, only slower. (And with more in-depth coverage)..

[mvp 78]

They do, and they readily admit it. They really just started out compiling blogs and online articles from a variety of sources and bringing them all on to one website.

 

But they also do use fantasy advice site Rotoworld (who does the same thing) as one of those sources. Numerous times, I've seen updates on Rotoworld that would appear later on MLBTR. So either they peruse Rotoworld or use the same sources, only slower. (And with more in-depth coverage)..

 

I appreciate that they just compile info from everywhere. I don't have the time to check 10 different websites about which C level player the Sox will sign next.

[notin]

I appreciate that they just compile info from everywhere. I don't have the time to check 10 different websites about which C level player the Sox will sign next.

 

Oh I've been reading it since it launched and my only complaint is kicking myself for not thinking of doing it first.

 

And I would bet they look at far more than 10 websites. The closest I can come to that level of research is checking out he "Player News" section on Baseball-Reference to see what the chatter is, and even then that can only be done for one player at a time..

[Bellhorn04]

MLBTR is outstanding.

[gojohn99]

Good luck Jon. Chara, now Lester in DC !

 

Nice signing by Washington!

[moonslav59]

Liam Hendriks signs with CWS. The closer will receive a $1MM signing bonus, $11MM in 2021, $13MM in 2022, $14MM in 2023, and then the $15MM option/buyout for 2024. The option will automatically vest if Hendriks is traded.

[moonslav59]

Angels to sign Quintana.

 

Looks like Odorizzi is the only guy left, for us, IMO.

[notin]

Angels to sign Quintana.

 

Looks like Odorizzi is the only guy left, for us, IMO.

 

Well there are a slew of former Yankee starters no one seems to want.

 

Also, there is another sneaky and possibly underrated option out there.

 

Trevor Bauer: 1190 IP, 3.62 ERA, 2.82 K/BB

Julio Teheran: 1391 IP, 3.81 ERA, 2.54 K/BB

 

Bauer does have a better FIP (3.85 to 4.33), which is the basis of fWAR, so he also has the advantage there (19.1 to 12.8). Also the better ERA+ (113 to 106). Both players are the same age. (Bauer is 10 days older.)

 

Bauer is clearly better, but how much better? And when you consider he is looking for maybe $200+ over 6 years and Teheran can probably be had for 1 year $10mill, is this difference between the two so substantial?

 

Jake Odorizzi also fits in well in this comp, as his ERA (3.92), ERA+ (105), FIP (4.12), K/BB (3.09), and fWAR (13.7) make him an option roughly equal to Teheran. And he is only 9 months older than the other two...

[mvp 78]

Well there are a slew of former Yankee starters no one seems to want.

 

Also, there is another sneaky and possibly underrated option out there.

 

Trevor Bauer: 1190 IP, 3.62 ERA, 2.82 K/BB

Julio Teheran: 1391 IP, 3.81 ERA, 2.54 K/BB

 

Bauer does have a better FIP (3.85 to 4.33), which is the basis of fWAR, so he also has the advantage there (19.1 to 12.8). Also the better ERA+ (113 to 106). Both players are the same age. (Bauer is 10 days older.)

 

Bauer is clearly better, but how much better? And when you consider he is looking for maybe $200+ over 6 years and Teheran can probably be had for 1 year $10mill, is this difference between the two so substantial?

 

Jake Odorizzi also fits in well in this comp, as his ERA (3.92), ERA+ (105), FIP (4.12), K/BB (3.09), and fWAR (13.7) make him an option roughly equal to Teheran. And he is only 9 months older than the other two...

 

They did go to see Teheran throw yesterday. Odorizzi is more durable though, correct?

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Well there are a slew of former Yankee starters no one seems to want.

 

Also, there is another sneaky and possibly underrated option out there.

 

Trevor Bauer: 1190 IP, 3.62 ERA, 2.82 K/BB

Julio Teheran: 1391 IP, 3.81 ERA, 2.54 K/BB

 

Bauer does have a better FIP (3.85 to 4.33), which is the basis of fWAR, so he also has the advantage there (19.1 to 12.8). Also the better ERA+ (113 to 106). Both players are the same age. (Bauer is 10 days older.)

 

Bauer is clearly better, but how much better? And when you consider he is looking for maybe $200+ over 6 years and Teheran can probably be had for 1 year $10mill, is this difference between the two so substantial?

 

Jake Odorizzi also fits in well in this comp, as his ERA (3.92), ERA+ (105), FIP (4.12), K/BB (3.09), and fWAR (13.7) make him an option roughly equal to Teheran. And he is only 9 months older than the other two...

 

I'd welcome both Odorizzi and Teheran. But I just don't see Bloom spending even $10 mil on any pitcher right now. Look at the starters that have already signed; average cost was around $10 or $11 mil -- if Bloom was really desperate to add arms, he could've had any of them. Quintana just signed for $8; Bloom chose to keep Perez at a little over half that.

 

Might as well forget about a top reliever, too. Hendriks got a ton, so Hand will benefit from the losing bidders. But Yates just signed for $4.5 plus incentives... what price stability?

[moonslav59]

Well there are a slew of former Yankee starters no one seems to want.

 

Also, there is another sneaky and possibly underrated option out there.

 

I'd be okay with Tanaka or Odorizzi. I just don't see Tanaka wanting to play here.

 

I guess you could say Paxton is as good as Odorizzi, so maybe he'd be okay.

 

I'm hoping for Odorizzi, the guy I thought might be the best SP'er for the money, this winter.

 

If we don't get Hand, and it looks like we won't, I'm not sure there is anybody left I'd view as a lock down closer.

[notin]

I'd welcome both Odorizzi and Teheran. But I just don't see Bloom spending even $10 mil on any pitcher right now. Look at the starters that have already signed; average cost was around $10 or $11 mil -- if Bloom was really desperate to add arms, he could've had any of them. Quintana just signed for $8; Bloom chose to keep Perez at a little over half that.

 

Might as well forget about a top reliever, too. Hendriks got a ton, so Hand will benefit from the losing bidders. But Yates just signed for $4.5 plus incentives... what price stability?

 

Well, Bloom has been checking in on Colome apparently, or did at one point. Petit averages out to about 1 fWAR per year over the last 4 and 0.7 fWAR per year over the last 3 but has never made more than $5.5 mill and is not likely to get hat much this year...

[moonslav59]

So is the best we can hope for is Odorizzi, Colome, Kike and Pillar, then maybe trade Beni for a RP'er or lesser RP'er and CF'er/RF'er?

[moonslav59]

Devinski to AZ

 

TOR looking at Brantley. (You think they'd be looking for a SP'er.)

[Bellhorn04]

So is the best we can hope for is Odorizzi, Colome, Kike and Pillar, then maybe trade Beni for a RP'er or lesser RP'er and CF'er/RF'er?

 

We also heard they had interest in Garrett Richards.

[notin]

So is the best we can hope for is Odorizzi, Colome, Kike and Pillar, then maybe trade Beni for a RP'er or lesser RP'er and CF'er/RF'er?

 

If the Sox signed Ordoizzi/Teheran and Colome and Enrique Hernandez and JBJ/Pillar (or ?). That's a decent start. I'd deal Chavis for a RP. Per BTV, some relievers roughly equal to Chavis in value and whose availablity is not listed as "Low" include Wander Suero of Washington and Anthony Reyes of St. Louis. I don't see the Cardinals dealing Reyes for Chavis. Also the Yankees' Jonathan Loasigia, but we all know that sin't happening.

 

SP: Odorizzi (Teheran)/ERod/Eovaldi/Perez/Pivetta/Houck(Sale)

RP: Colome, Barnes, Brasier, Hernandez, Taylor, Whitlock, Andriese, Suero (Brice? Eventually Houck?)

 

1B: Dalbec

2b: Hernandez

3b: Devers

SS: Bogerts

LF: Benintendi (Renfroe)

CF: Bradley/Pillar/Almora/Marisnick

RF: Verdugo

DH: Martinez

C: Vazquez

 

BN: Plawecki

BN: Arroyo

BN: Renfroe

BN: ? (Chavis? Moreland? Miller?)

 

 

I would not think this team would come in last again. But is it an 85-90 win team?

Edited January 20, 2021 by notin

[moonslav59]

We also heard they had interest in Garrett Richards.

 

Can we stay under the limit by signing Odorizzi, Richards, Colome, Pillar & Kike? (maybe by trading Beni for a cheap RP'er or OF'er?)

[mvp 78]

We also heard they had interest in Garrett Richards.

 

He's about 3 months away from a stint on the IL.

[notin]

We also heard they had interest in Garrett Richards.

 

As a closer, I would be OK with that. But for a team with health issues atop the rotation, Richards represents another problem, not a solution...

[Bellhorn04]

As a closer, I would be OK with that. But for a team with health issues atop the rotation, Richards represents another problem, not a solution...

 

You are fond of that line, and get to use it a lot.