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I knew this would be coming. So let's not forget, either, that Porcello was the leading winner on Dave Dombrowski's Legacy Team in 2018.

 

Also a Cy Young winner on Dombrowski’s flagship 2016 team. But DD inherited Porcello in Boston and it’s not very likely DD had any influence on his pitching ability...

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5GoldGlovesOF,75 Greenville Drive

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Also a Cy Young winner on Dombrowski’s flagship 2016 team. But DD inherited Porcello in Boston and it’s not very likely DD had any influence on his pitching ability...

 

A past-prime Porcello is also a guy you may want to avoid if you're a young Baseball Officer trying to establish your own legacy by building the first winning club you were actually in charge of...

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A past-prime Porcello is also a guy you may want to avoid if you're a young Baseball Officer trying to establish your own legacy by building the first winning club you were actually in charge of...

 

Is Porcello any more avoid-worthy than Perez? :)

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The surest way to make a team competitive is to add quality starting pitchers on the mound. This is no mystery, and no modern stats can supersede the history of the past 120 years.

 

Trading prospects for a guy like Pedro or Sale in his prime or signing a guy like Scherzer or Bauer in his prime should be the goal of every able baseball organization. Top starters can make a bad team relevant, and a good team contenders. No matter what, an ace sells more tickets, providing the club with more profit to invest in more talent to make the roster even better.

 

Bauer is not the guy you go large and long on.

 

Just because we need an ace doesn't mean you make an act of desperation.

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I said several times last season that, given our need for pitching, picking up Perez' option was a no brainer. I was surprised when the Sox declined the option. I have to remember that Bloom actually knows what he is doing.

 

Perez is not a game changer. Nor is he Bloom's big pitching move. He is more of a depth move who should keep the team in most games that he starts.

 

I think it's a good move. Now on to bigger and better things.

 

It's only a "good move," if we also sign Odorizzi.

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I am extremely confident that we will add another starting pitcher, perhaps two.

 

I think the Perez signing means only one more not two.

 

Perez was the "two."

 

(Not counting minor league signings.)

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Stumbling upon Koji after three other established closers couldn't get it done was one of the luckiest finds in Sox history.

 

It's not like Koji sucked before coming to Boston.

 

His 2013 season actually was just following his "curve to greatness:"

 

WHIP

0.955 2010

0.723 2011

0.639 2012 (a fantastic season with TX)

0.565 2013 with Boston

 

His K/BB actually got worse from his amazing 14.3 mark in 2012 to 11.22 with Boston in 2013.

 

The fact that he was our 3rd or 4th string closer is more a question of management choices than luck.

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A past-prime Porcello is also a guy you may want to avoid if you're a young Baseball Officer trying to establish your own legacy by building the first winning club you were actually in charge of...

 

We have no real idea if this is the ego-feeding venture you keep postulating. Is Bloom about just plain winning? Or being recognized as the builder of winners?

 

It’s hard to do the latter unless you work for a small market team. No one is dazzled by anyone building a winner by spending $250 mill.

 

How do you think Joe Maddon got his (completely undeserved) reputation as a good manager?

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Bauer is not the guy you go large and long on.

 

Just because we need an ace doesn't mean you make an act of desperation.

 

I’d rather have just kept Price....

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I’d rather have just kept Price....

 

I'm not sure I'd go that far.

 

$64M/2 Price at ages 35-36

 

vs (Maybe)

 

$128M/4 Bauer who turned 30, today.

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I'm not sure I'd go that far.

 

$64M/2 Price at ages 35-36

 

vs (Maybe)

 

$128M/4 Bauer who turned 30, today.

 

Keeping Price would only have been an incremental cost of $32 mill, though...

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Keeping Price would only have been an incremental cost of $32 mill, though...

 

True.

 

I'd rather have Price at an added cost of $16M x 2 than Bauer at $32M x 4.

 

The only plus for Bauer is that he just turned 30, and a 4 year deal is not like the 7 years Price and others have gotten, recently.

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There is no desperation, no ego-feed running the show, and no rich owner transforming from buyer to seller -- there is only speculation... because nothing else has really happened in almost a year worth talking about that improves the Red Sox big league roster.

 

There's also no disputing the Sox need legitimate starting pitching to even be worth watching again. Just because a team isn't good enough to contend for a ring doesn't mean it's not worth it to add someone good enough to expedite the time it will take to being good enough to contend for a ring.

 

If Luis Castillo is available -- as has been reported -- he is exactly the type of pitcher this team needs going forward. What prospects should the Reset Sox be willing to part with to make it happen?

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It's only a "good move," if we also sign Odorizzi.

 

Yes, I agree. If Perez is all we're getting in terms of starting pitching, then I will not be happy. If Perez is more of a depth type move, which is what I think he is, then Bloom is right on track.

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There is no desperation, no ego-feed running the show, and no rich owner transforming from buyer to seller -- there is only speculation... because nothing else has really happened in almost a year worth talking about that improves the Red Sox big league roster.

 

There's also no disputing the Sox need legitimate starting pitching to even be worth watching again. Just because a team isn't good enough to contend for a ring doesn't mean it's not worth it to add someone good enough to expedite the time it will take to being good enough to contend for a ring.

 

If Luis Castillo is available -- as has been reported -- he is exactly the type of pitcher this team needs going forward. What prospects should the Reset Sox be willing to part with to make it happen?

This website suggests that Alex Verdugo, Triston Casas, Jeter Downs, Tanner Houck, Bryan Mata and Connor Seabold would be just enough for the Red Sox to land Luis Castillo:

 

https://www.baseballtradevalues.com/trade-simulator/

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How much do we have to spend up to the tax now ? Is it 29 or now 24 ? realistically how much would Springer Cost ? Would 25 X 5 with opt out after 3 Be reasonable ? Roll with Sale Erod Evoldi Perez ? Let Chavis man 2nd with Down up around July ? Having spring plug that hole would transform this team .Verdugo Springer plugging 2 spots out their for a few years puts us in Contention. Edited by Swiharts Ghost
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How much do we have to spend up to the tax now ? Is it 29 or now 24 ? realistically how much would Springer Cost ? Would 25 X 5 with opt out after 3 Be reasonable ? Roll with Sale Erod Evoldi Perez ? Let Chavis man 2nd with Down up around July ? Having spring plug that hole would transform this team .Verdugo Springer plugging 2 spots out their for a few years puts us in Contention.

 

Not unless Springer learns to pitch...

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If depth mean more mediocre pitchers, then maybe, yes.

 

In Speier's article, he mentioned that the Sox are trying to increase their floor so that they don't get stuck with running Webber out as their #3 again. Bounce back seasons from JD and Beni, plus an average pitching staff would keep this team in the hunt.

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In Speier's article, he mentioned that the Sox are trying to increase their floor so that they don't get stuck with running Webber out as their #3 again. Bounce back seasons from JD and Beni, plus an average pitching staff would keep this team in the hunt.

 

But since the season ended, the only pitching addition is Andriese.

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But since the season ended, the only pitching addition is Andriese.

 

I believe they are saying that they are still looking to add to that depth, that they are far from done. They just aren't going to spend all their $ on 2 top tier FAs.

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@JonHeyman

Anibal Sanchez will be working out with Julio Teheran, so it’s a 2-for-1 if teams want to get a peek at Anibal, too. Teheran showcase is Tuesday morning in Miami. Both pitchers are free agents.

 

 

Sox are looking at both players.

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But since the season ended, the only pitching addition is Andriese.

 

In a sense, we also add ERod and eventually Sale.

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