2020-2021 Offseason Thread

[notin]

Plus E-Rod. And with our thin pen, you can even add losing D-Hern and Taylor.

 

Plus swapping Cora for Roenicke.

 

A perfect shitstorm indeed.

 

The Sox were actually lucky it all happened at once. (Although since they all went down with COVID except for Sale, it was not really a coincidence.)

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

No, we know some other things too, that are being mentioned in this last little flurry of posts.

 

What new revelations am I missing here? The only new thing we learned this winter is that even Cora said he stopped watching, too, last summer.

[Bellhorn04]

The Sox were actually lucky it all happened at once.

 

It's a good point.

[Bellhorn04]

What new revelations am I missing here? The only new thing we learned this winter is that even Cora said he stopped watching, too, last summer.

 

You're right, the revelations aren't new.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

You're right, the revelations aren't new.

 

And you're right, it was the perfect time to tank. The only problem is not being able to watch and evaluate potential draft picks the past year. Because of that, some gems may just elude the first few rounds.

[mvp 78]

@wbzsports

Former Red Sox Outfielder Johnny Damon Arrested In Florida On Charges Of DUI, Resisting Officer Without Violence

 

Seems like someone else knows how to get tanked.

[notin]

And you're right, it was the perfect time to tank. The only problem is not being able to watch and evaluate potential draft picks the past year. Because of that, some gems may just elude the first few rounds.

 

But that problem is not limited to the Sox...

[Bellhorn04]

@wbzsports

Former Red Sox Outfielder Johnny Damon Arrested In Florida On Charges Of DUI, Resisting Officer Without Violence

 

Seems like someone else knows how to get tanked.

 

Tony Larussa

Bruce Springsteen

Johnny Damon

 

Jeezus, boys, you're all rich enough to afford a chauffeur. Use your heads...

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

But that problem is not limited to the Sox...

 

Right, but it just feels like this may be a point in this ownership/Chief Officer's history that they can't afford to miss with such a high pick. That is, until they show that they can afford to pay for transcendent talent again.

[mvp 78]

Tony Larussa

Bruce Springsteen

Johnny Damon

 

Jeezus, boys, you're all rich enough to afford a chauffeur. Use your heads...

 

TBH, I thought Damon was more likely to get popped for BUI due to his boating lifestyle.

[mvp 78]

Right, but it just feels like this may be a point in this ownership/Chief Officer's history that they can't afford to miss with such a high pick. That is, until they show that they can afford to pay for transcendent talent again.

 

Scouts have their work cut out for them, that's for sure.

[notin]

Right, but it just feels like this may be a point in this ownership/Chief Officer's history that they can't afford to miss with such a high pick. That is, until they show that they can afford to pay for transcendent talent again.

 

Trey Ball was a long time ago. They hit with Benintendi since then, but for some reason, people like to cling that one failure as if is now the only possible outcome.

 

And that was a really bad draft overall for pitching, with 4 of the 5 pitchers taken in the top 10 combining for 63 IP in the majors, with 62 of them coming from a below average Kohl Stewart. (And the other IP coming from Phil Bickford, who showcased his talent by surrendering 4 ER in it.)

 

Whoever they draft this year - and the latest rankings would have it as Miami catcher Adrian Del Castillo - it might not be anyone who will make any sort of impact for a while anyway...

[notin]

Porcello having talks with the Tigers...

[mvp 78]

Trey Ball was a long time ago. They hit with Benintendi since then, but for some reason, people like to cling that one failure as if is now the only possible outcome.

 

And that was a really bad draft overall for pitching, with 4 of the 5 pitchers taken in the top 10 combining for 63 IP in the majors, with 62 of them coming from a below average Kohl Stewart. (And the other IP coming from Phil Bickford, who showcased his talent by surrendering 4 ER in it.)

 

Whoever they draft this year - and the latest rankings would have it as Miami catcher Adrian Del Castillo - it might not be anyone who will make any sort of impact for a while anyway...

 

And if they had selected Hunter Renfroe with that pick, they'd still be taking heat for it anyway.

[moonslav59]

HAve they?

 

His UZR/150 was about league average in 2019, but has been above in the 2-8 range since 2015. His DRS ran negative a couple years but bounced back last year in a big way. Now did that happen because he is losing a step or did it bounce back because he now has to (and clearly can?) cover more of right center since Betts was not out there for the first time in a while?

 

Yes, they have slipped since his prime years. I don't view the 60 game season as a valid sample size. One full season is barely enough to value defense for an OF'er, and the people who run UZR/150 will say just that.

 

Do you really think JBJ is the same defender he was 3-7 years ago? Based on a 60 game season?

 

I've never said he is not still a plus. I said he is no longer an "elite defender," and EHern is now better on D.

[moonslav59]

T Walker to Mets.

 

Porcello maybe to Tigers?

[mvp 78]

Guys that are still unsigned:

 

Matt Adams DH / 1B

Jose Alvarez RP

Homer Bailey SP

Jorge Bonifacio LF

Jackie Bradley Jr. CF

Ryan Braun DH / RF

Trevor Cahill RP / SP

Yoenis Cespedes DH

Jesse Chavez RP

Shin-Soo Choo DH

Tyler Clippard RP

Zack Cozart 3B

Daniel Descalso 2B

Jarrod Dyson CF

Edwin Encarnacion DH

Tyler Flowers C

Logan Forsythe 2B

Maikel Franco 3B

Todd Frazier 1B / 3B

Brett Gardner CF / LF

Zack Godley SP

Gio Gonzalez SP

Shane Greene RP

Junior Guerra RP

Jedd Gyorko 1B / 3B

Cole Hamels SP

Jeremy Jeffress RP

Matt Kemp DH

Ian Kennedy RP

Jake Lamb 1B / 3B

Mike Leake SP

Nick Markakis LF / RF

Cameron Maybin LF / RF

Tommy Milone SP

Logan Morrison DH / 1B

Juan Nicasio RP

Jake Odorizzi SP

Brad Peacock RP

Rick Porcello SP

Yasiel Puig RF

A.J. Ramos RP

Josh Reddick RF

David Robertson RP

Tyson Ross SP

Addison Russell 2B / SS

Jeff Samardzija SP

Anibal Sanchez SP

Danny Santana CF / 1B

Eric Sogard SS / 3B

Julio Teheran SP

Ryan Tepera RP

Tyler Thornburg RP

Edinson Volquez RP

Neil Walker 2B

Matt Wieters C

[notin]

Guys that are still unsigned:

 

Matt Adams DH / 1B

Jose Alvarez RP

Homer Bailey SP

Jorge Bonifacio LF

Jackie Bradley Jr. CF

Ryan Braun DH / RF

Trevor Cahill RP / SP

Yoenis Cespedes DH

Jesse Chavez RP

Shin-Soo Choo DH

Tyler Clippard RP

Zack Cozart 3B

Daniel Descalso 2B

Jarrod Dyson CF

Edwin Encarnacion DH

Tyler Flowers C

Logan Forsythe 2B

Maikel Franco 3B

Todd Frazier 1B / 3B

Brett Gardner CF / LF

Zack Godley SP

Gio Gonzalez SP

Shane Greene RP

Junior Guerra RP

Jedd Gyorko 1B / 3B

Cole Hamels SP

Jeremy Jeffress RP

Matt Kemp DH

Ian Kennedy RP

Jake Lamb 1B / 3B

Mike Leake SP

Nick Markakis LF / RF

Cameron Maybin LF / RF

Tommy Milone SP

Logan Morrison DH / 1B

Juan Nicasio RP

Jake Odorizzi SP

Brad Peacock RP

Rick Porcello SP

Yasiel Puig RF

A.J. Ramos RP

Josh Reddick RF

David Robertson RP

Tyson Ross SP

Addison Russell 2B / SS

Jeff Samardzija SP

Anibal Sanchez SP

Danny Santana CF / 1B

Eric Sogard SS / 3B

Julio Teheran SP

Ryan Tepera RP

Tyler Thornburg RP

Edinson Volquez RP

Neil Walker 2B

Matt Wieters C

 

There's actually more than that. I have heard Chaz Roe rumors for example, but he is not on anyone's list of free agents...

[moonslav59]

Odorizzi looks like the only one worth going over the tax line to get, IMO.

 

Haven't heard any rumors of him being close to signing.

 

JBJ may have already passed on his best offer.

[moonslav59]

Looks like the Gardner-Yankee talks have resumed.

 

Minor league deals:

 

Todd Frazier to Pitt

Tyson Ross to SD

 

I wonder if we make a few minor league deals, soon.

[notin]

Gardner back to NY for $4mill

 

What does this do to JBJ's price tag?

[moonslav59]

Gardner back to NY for $4mill

 

What does this do to JBJ's price tag?

 

I thought he'd get at least $15M/3 or $12M/2, but who is left to pay him even that much?

 

Houston?

[a700hitter]

Julio Teheran is signing with the Tigers.

 

The Tigers have agreed to a contract with free-agent right-hander Julio Teheran, per Jon Heyman of MLB Network. It’s a non-guaranteed deal, though Teheran will earn a $3MM base salary if he makes the Tigers’ roster. He could rake in another $1MM in incentives if he starts 20 games for the team.

[moonslav59]

Odorizzi is the last one standing.

[a700hitter]

Odorizzi is the last one standing.

and Porcello?

[moonslav59]

and Porcello?

 

Word is talking to the Tigers, but I don't count Porcello in the same category as Odorizzi- more like with Cole Hamels.

[a700hitter]

Word is talking to the Tigers, but I don't count Porcello in the same category as Odorizzi- more like with Cole Hamels.

After signing Teheran, maybe the Tigers are out on Porcello. While Porcello may not have much gas left in his fastball, at least he is healthy. Hamel’s is damaged goods.

[jacksonianmarch]

I thought he'd get at least $15M/3 or $12M/2, but who is left to pay him even that much?

 

Houston?

 

My prediction is exactly that. I think Houston sign him to a 1 yr deal at $6.5 mil with a player option for $5 mil in 2022. This would provide him the pillow contract to have a better year, yet the security of a second season should be falter

[notin]

After signing Teheran, maybe the Tigers are out on Porcello. While Porcello may not have much gas left in his fastball, at least he is healthy. Hamel’s is damaged goods.

 

Porcello's fastball velocity is, like his IP totals, unwavering over the course of his career, ranging from a high of 93.5 mph (in 2012) to a low of 91.4 mph (in 2011). Last year it was 92.1 mph. (Data per Fangraphs).

 

That's such a Porcello-like consistency.

 

Now go sign him, Bloom...

[moonslav59]

My prediction is exactly that. I think Houston sign him to a 1 yr deal at $6.5 mil with a player option for $5 mil in 2022. This would provide him the pillow contract to have a better year, yet the security of a second season should be falter

 

Just about right. Maybe a buyout of $500K to make it $7M/1 or $12M/2.