2020-2021 Offseason Thread

[moonslav59]

A high percentage of the fans on the Yankee forum I follow think Cashman and Boone should both be gone.

 

They point out that the Yankees have only been in one World Series in the last 17 seasons, while outspending everyone.

 

And they think Hal doesn't care about the rings, only the money.

 

I see their point, but it was all about money, they wouldn't be the top spenders over the last 17 seasons. I get the need to keep the team just competitive enough to not lose fans and viewership, but I do think the Yanks have had teams good enough to win it all. Poor management is part of the reasons for the lack of rings. Moving out Cashman and Boone is not about money.

[Bellhorn04]

For me the biggest question mark is what to do with E Rod.....can we get something for him this winter? Or hope he's back to 'normal' in 2021 and trade him at deadline?

 

If we are shooting for 2022, only way he's a Sox will cost us. Not sure if I want that with some young arms coming up by then.

 

I'm encouraged by both the Moreland trade and the Workman/Hembree trade.

 

I trust in Bloom to do the right things, including with the E-Rod quandary.

[moonslav59]

For me the biggest question mark is what to do with E Rod.....can we get something for him this winter? Or hope he's back to 'normal' in 2021 and trade him at deadline?

 

If we are shooting for 2022, only way he's a Sox will cost us. Not sure if I want that with some young arms coming up by then.

 

I'm encouraged by both the Moreland trade and the Workman/Hembree trade.

 

ERod is a tough call, due to the uncertainty of his health. I was thinking more about JD, Eovaldi & Barnes. Although the first two are signed through 2022 and could be part of a winning team, that year, neither are part of the "beyond" part of the 2022 and beyond philosophy.

 

I'm not saying this would, could or should happen, but in theory, we could trade JD, Eovaldi, ERod & Barnes- paying some or much of their contracts, and still stay under the tax line for 2021 while adding some key young players or prospects to the longer term plan. Those trades, alone, could maybe get us to a number 15 in the farm rankings. A strong draft could get us to top 10 status.

 

A strong farm is not all we need to be back near the top by 2022, at the earliest, but it sure improves the outlook.

[moonslav59]

I trust in Bloom to do the right things, including with the E-Rod quandary.

 

I do, too.

 

I like the way he is quickly rebuilding the farm and clearing budget space. I don't think he's done in either areas.

[dgalehouse]

The " BLOOMIES" are giving Chaim much love and an extremely long leash. That is commendable, but keep the scoreboard in mind. We did finish dead last , after all.

[Bellhorn04]

The " BLOOMIES" are giving Chaim much love and an extremely long leash. That is commendable, but keep the scoreboard in mind. We did finish dead last , after all.

 

-Theo's Cubs were horrible his first few seasons there.

-DD's Tigers were horrible his first few seasons there.

 

Obviously wasn't their fault. They took over rosters in bad shape and turned them around.

 

Same with Bloom's 2020 Red Sox.

[dgalehouse]

-Theo's Cubs were horrible his first few seasons there.

-DD's Tigers were horrible his first few seasons there.

 

Obviously wasn't their fault. They took over rosters in bad shape and turned them around.

 

Same with Bloom's 2020 Red Sox.

 

Okay. I am trying to be optimistic. Hoping for the best , and hopefully sooner rather than later. I do know that Chaim Bloom is highly regarded by many . I also know that he has been in baseball all of his adult life , and so far has just a room full of " Participation Trophies " to show for it.

[moonslav59]

The " BLOOMIES" are giving Chaim much love and an extremely long leash. That is commendable, but keep the scoreboard in mind. We did finish dead last , after all.

 

It's been one year. That's not along leash.

 

The leash I gave Ben was a long one.

[moonslav59]

Okay. I am trying to be optimistic. Hoping for the best , and hopefully sooner rather than later. I do know that Chaim Bloom is highly regarded by many . I also know that he has been in baseball all of his adult life , and so far has just a room full of " Participation Trophies " to show for it.

 

You think you can only be good, if you win a ring with a $60M budget?

[mvp 78]

The " BLOOMIES" are giving Chaim much love and an extremely long leash. That is commendable, but keep the scoreboard in mind. We did finish dead last , after all.

 

Long leash? It has been one year.

[notin]

Long leash? It has been one year.

 

And the season was hardly his fault. The Sox had a payroll over $190 mill (for a 162 game season) and he had only spent what? $10 mill?

[oldtimer]

And the season was hardly his fault. The Sox had a payroll over $190 mill (for a 162 game season) and he had only spent what? $10 mill?

 

And two of his top starters were sidelined for the year and he was put in the position of trading away Mookie and Price. Lets see if we make solid progress toward sustained competitiveness in 2021. I expect more than 1/3 of our 40 man roster to turn over this year. The object is to get rid of nonperformers and replace them with better. That alone should bring us back to respectability.

[jad]

Wow. In Bloom you guys trust. I truly hope next year at this time you are gloating "Told you so." But I guess I would ask now: what has he done to make the average fan want to go the park (impossible!) or turn on NESN?

[moonslav59]

Wow. In Bloom you guys trust. I truly hope next year at this time you are gloating "Told you so." But I guess I would ask now: what has he done to make the average fan want to go the park (impossible!) or turn on NESN?

 

How can we said, "I told you so," when we haven't said squat, except give the guy a chance and time to deal with the mess he was handed?

 

Who know if he will do well?

 

It looks like he's off to a good start rebuilding the farm, but as we all know, they could all end up sucking.

 

Bloom is not the one deciding the budget. Compared to our last 3 GMs, he inherited the worst farm and his share of bloated contracts.

 

Blaming him for 2020 is pointless.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

I doubt anyone thinks the Red Sox will be big spenders this winter or contenders next season. And if they suck again in the standings -- while youngsters mature and acquisitions adjust -- Bloom may be spared the bulk of the usual accompanying negativity as limited seating equates to limited booing. Limited ticket availability to games may also work in his favor, in the form of sell-outs, as fans with cabin fever want to just attend something by next Spring...

 

But how long exactly will the owners extend the leash? If a safe, reliable vaccine is distributed a year from now -- and the MLB aspires to full capacity again by 2022 -- won't the Red Sox have to be considered major buyers in the next big superstar free agent class? Don't they have to add one of Lindor, Seager, Correa, Story or Baez to generate renewed passion and at least optimism?

 

Maybe they won't need a shortstop, maybe Bogie will stay in Beantown and stay at his position, but these five guys represent the best talent available for a long time (unless we want to wait another half decade to battle the Yankees for Juan Soto). Better question: will there even be more than five big markets, including Boston, that can afford and want one of those players (... unless, the decline of the MLB is so bad that the entire market collapses and everyone can afford everybody)? Maybe one falls in their laps.

[dgalehouse]

Wow. In Bloom you guys trust. I truly hope next year at this time you are gloating "Told you so." But I guess I would ask now: what has he done to make the average fan want to go the park (impossible!) or turn on NESN?

 

If the Sox don't do well next year , you will hear " It's only been two years. And besides , it's not Bloom's fault, it's somebody else's fault. " And so forth in 2022. He will have a long leash.

[moonslav59]

If the Sox don't do well next year , you will hear " It's only been two years. And besides , it's not Bloom's fault, it's somebody else's fault. " And so forth in 2022. He will have a long leash.

 

As long as our future looks brighter, the 2021 results are not the only measure of GM success.

 

Did anyone really expect us to win in 2020 or 2021 after what we saw in 2019 and the known fact that a reset had to happen?

[Bellhorn04]

Okay. I am trying to be optimistic.

 

Not really LOL

[Bellhorn04]

Long leash? It has been one year.

 

Or as some people call it, 60 games in a pandemic LOL

[Bellhorn04]

Wow. In Bloom you guys trust. I truly hope next year at this time you are gloating "Told you so." But I guess I would ask now: what has he done to make the average fan want to go the park (impossible!) or turn on NESN?

 

Did you really think Bloom could perform a miracle and make the 2020 Red Sox into a good team after trading Mookie, after Sale's surgery, after losing E-Rod to the pandemic, with no payroll room and hardly any prospects?

 

Seriously, the expectations have to be a little tempered some times...

[Bellhorn04]

If the Sox don't do well next year , you will hear " It's only been two years. And besides , it's not Bloom's fault, it's somebody else's fault. " And so forth in 2022. He will have a long leash.

 

Man are you cynical.

[notin]

If the Sox don't do well next year , you will hear " It's only been two years. And besides , it's not Bloom's fault, it's somebody else's fault. " And so forth in 2022. He will have a long leash.

 

Yeah. Stupid Bloom couldn’t win after inheriting a $240 million dollar team with no farm system and it’s best two pitchers out for the year while he was not only not allowed to spend, but actually ordered to cut payroll.

 

We need a genius like Dombrowski to take this team to the next level by upping payroll to a quarter of a billion dollars while emptying the farm system. Because those older expensive players never age or decline....

[dgalehouse]

Yeah. Stupid Bloom couldn’t win after inheriting a $240 million dollar team with no farm system and it’s best two pitchers out for the year while he was not only not allowed to spend, but actually ordered to cut payroll.

 

We need a genius like Dombrowski to take this team to the next level by upping payroll to a quarter of a billion dollars while emptying the farm system. Because those older expensive players never age or decline....

 

Yeah , but we didn't even beat Baltimore. The Baltimore " freaking " Orioles beat us.

[notin]

Yeah , but we didn't even beat Baltimore. The Baltimore " freaking " Orioles beat us.

 

Think that happens if 1) the Sox have Sale and/or ERod or 2) Baltimore is without their 2 best starting pitchers?

[Kimmi]

The " BLOOMIES" are giving Chaim much love and an extremely long leash. That is commendable, but keep the scoreboard in mind. We did finish dead last , after all.

 

Stop.

[Kimmi]

Yeah , but we didn't even beat Baltimore. The Baltimore " freaking " Orioles beat us.

 

Thanks Dave!

[Donnie Sadler was short]

Think that happens if 1) the Sox have Sale and/or ERod or 2) Baltimore is without their 2 best starting pitchers?

 

Dont forget..it was 3 starters when you factor in Price.

[Larry Cook]

Nothing hang’em Chaim has done to date says we should trust him implicitly. He has not won squat, as a matter of fact, just the opposite!

 

And while he has made some small steps in the right direction, to think that he has the ship turned around, is pure speculation!

 

This offseason, with a few strategic acquisitions, we could be a playoff tram again, at that point he will have coins deposited in the trust bank with me.

[moonslav59]

Nothing hang’em Chaim has done to date says we should trust him implicitly.

 

So, he got the job by doing nothing to date.

[cp176]

Hopefully Bloom gets his opportunity to do his thing but the seats of Fenway won't be filled until some stars start to really shine. Having Sale come back next year at least gives reason to be hopeful of having a chance to see one of the best in the game perform. It is these types of players that many many fans want to see play the game.