2020-2021 Offseason Thread

[Nick]

Just glad to see the Rays in the World Series. With that budget, they've done some amazing things. Glad we have one of their architects.

[moonslav59]

Just glad to see the Rays in the World Series. With that budget, they've done some amazing things. Glad we have one of their architects.

 

That's how I see it.

 

Whenever I don't really care about either team in a playoff series, I almost always root for the underdog or team that "deserves it" most. Lately,I've been rooting more for the local teams, here in Houston, but not these bunch of cheating SOB's!

[Bellhorn04]

That's how I see it.

 

Whenever I don't really care about either team in a playoff series, I almost always root for the underdog or team that "deserves it" most. Lately,I've been rooting more for the local teams, here in Houston, but not these bunch of cheating SOB's!

 

Personally, I always give extra credit to any team that knocks out the Yankees.

[oldtimer]

Personally, I always give extra credit to any team that knocks out the Yankees.

 

I wonder how Cash would have been thought of if Morton's reliever had blown it and the Rays had lost the game? At the time of the move, with Morton pitching so well, I thought Cash is making a move that could lose the game. Lucky for him it didn't but the relievers were not that solid, especially finding the strike zone.

[notin]

I wonder how Cash would have been thought of if Morton's reliever had blown it and the Rays had lost the game? At the time of the move, with Morton pitching so well, I thought Cash is making a move that could lose the game. Lucky for him it didn't but the relievers were not that solid, especially finding the strike zone.

 

Probably not thought of well, but undeservedly does. As Dallas Green once said when asked the difference between a good manager and a bad manager, replied “a good bullpen.”

 

Cash has a good bullpen and needs to balance not overusing them with not overusing his starters as he enters yet another long series with no off days...

[Bellhorn04]

I wonder how Cash would have been thought of if Morton's reliever had blown it and the Rays had lost the game? At the time of the move, with Morton pitching so well, I thought Cash is making a move that could lose the game. Lucky for him it didn't but the relievers were not that solid, especially finding the strike zone.

 

It was the second game in a row Cash hooked his starter earlier than some managers would have. But as he said, that's what they've been doing all along. He seems like a good manager to me, but there will always be second-guessing.

 

I thought it was a vary ballsy move by Dave Roberts calling on the recently-struggling Jansen with the season (and maybe his job) on the line.

[moonslav59]

Personally, I always give extra credit to any team that knocks out the Yankees.

 

That, too!

[oldtimer]

It was the second game in a row Cash hooked his starter earlier than some managers would have. But as he said, that's what they've been doing all along. He seems like a good manager to me, but there will always be second-guessing.

 

I thought it was a vary ballsy move by Dave Roberts calling on the recently-struggling Jansen with the season (and maybe his job) on the line.

 

Yanking a starter who has excellent command for a hard thrower from the BP is risky since there is no way to tell if the replacement will get the ball over. Later in the game two Rays relievers walked players and put the game at risk. It's a tough decision and one that can and almost did backfire.

[mvp 78]

@SoxProspects

Red Sox have announced that RHP Domingo Tapia was claimed off waivers by the Seattle Mariners.

 

With seven players coming off the 45/60-day IL after the World Series, expect more roster moves of this sort (clearing out being claimed off waivers) over the next week.

 

It has begun.

[moonslav59]

@SoxProspects

Red Sox have announced that RHP Domingo Tapia was claimed off waivers by the Seattle Mariners.

 

With seven players coming off the 45/60-day IL after the World Series, expect more roster moves of this sort (clearing out being claimed off waivers) over the next week.

 

It has begun.

 

I expect we may be claiming a few players, here and there, too.

 

We might end up cutting ties with Pedey, too.

[mvp 78]

I expect we may be claiming a few players, here and there, too.

 

We might end up cutting ties with Pedey, too.

 

I wonder if ownership will be hesitant to make that move as they don't want another black eye. Maybe they reach out and try to get him to retire, but pay him in some other way? IDK.

[dgalehouse]

@SoxProspects

Red Sox have announced that RHP Domingo Tapia was claimed off waivers by the Seattle Mariners.

 

With seven players coming off the 45/60-day IL after the World Series, expect more roster moves of this sort (clearing out being claimed off waivers) over the next week.

 

It has begun.

 

Tapia throws very hard , but he has never really had the success that you would like to see . No longer a kid either.

[moonslav59]

I wonder if ownership will be hesitant to make that move as they don't want another black eye. Maybe they reach out and try to get him to retire, but pay him in some other way? IDK.

 

As I've mentioned before, our roster is so "shallow" I don't see a roster crunch, right now or at Rule 5 time. Only after we start signing multiple free agents will a choice like this have to be made.

[notin]

Tapia throws very hard , but he has never really had the success that you would like to see . No longer a kid either.

 

He has a lot of that in common with Nick Anderson. Of course, he has more of it in common with Robert Stock...

[moonslav59]

He has a lot of that in common with Nick Anderson. Of course, he has more of it in common with Robert Stock...

 

Tapia wasn't the first guy I expected us to let go, but those bottom 16-18 guys are pretty bunched up.

[notin]

Tapia wasn't the first guy I expected us to let go, but those bottom 16-18 guys are pretty bunched up.

 

I heard the original plan was to release them all in front of the bulls in Pamplona, but, damnit, pandemic...

[harmony]

@SoxProspects

Red Sox have announced that RHP Domingo Tapia was claimed off waivers by the Seattle Mariners.

 

With seven players coming off the 45/60-day IL after the World Series, expect more roster moves of this sort (clearing out being claimed off waivers) over the next week.

 

It has begun.

Seattle apparently prefers Domingo Tapia to Art Warren, Carl Edwards Jr., Nestor Cortes Jr. and Matt Magill, relievers whom the Mariners recently released.

[notin]

Seattle apparently prefers Domingo Tapia to Art Warren, Carl Edwards Jr., Nestor Cortes Jr. and Matt Magill, relievers whom the Mariners recently released.

 

To-MAY-toe, to-MAH-toe

[mvp 78]

Seattle apparently prefers Domingo Tapia to Art Warren, Carl Edwards Jr., Nestor Cortes Jr. and Matt Magill, relievers whom the Mariners recently released.

 

Those are made up names.

[notin]

Those are made up names.

 

I think two of them were in "It's a Mad Mad Mad Mad World"...

[Nick]

Sox Prospects top 15

1 Triston Casas 1st Round, 2018 by BOS

2 Jeter Downs acquired from LAD w Verdugo and Wong 2020

3 Bryan Mata IFA 2016

4 Jarren Duran 7th Round, 2018 by BOS

5 Noah Song 4th Round, 2019 by BOS

6 Bobby Dalbec 4th Round, 2016 by BOS

7 Gilberto Jimenez IFA2017

8 Jay Groome 1st Round, 2016 by BOS

9 Thaddeus Ward 5th Round, 2018 by BOS

10 Tanner Houck 1st Round, 2017 by BOS

11 Jason Rosario Acquired from SD w Hudson Potts for Moreland

12 Connor Seabold Acquired from PHI w Pivetta for Workman.Hembree

13 Nick Yorke 1st Round, 2020 by BOS

14 Matthew Lugo 2nd Round, 2019 by BOS

15 Hudson Potts 1st Round, 2016 by SD acquired for Moreland

 

Is our farm system really that awful? Looks like we have some high ceiling kids on this list....Bloom already has made some shrewd moves to bolster our farm

Edited October 24, 2020 by Nick

[jacksonianmarch]

The Sox farm has improved under Bloom. Some other farms have tanked around them. Bloom has likely brought boston from 29 into the 22-25 range. With boston choosing 4th in May, he should be able to bring the Sox into the 10-15 range

[Nick]

The Sox farm has improved under Bloom. Some other farms have tanked around them. Bloom has likely brought boston from 29 into the 22-25 range. With boston choosing 4th in May, he should be able to bring the Sox into the 10-15 range

 

What does Yankees must do in 2021 to get to the World Series? Any newcomers in horizon (not FA)? How long will the Rays last? Can they repeat what they did in 2020? Did the short season help the Rays more than the Yankees?

 

Just curious....

[moonslav59]

What does Yankees must do in 2021 to get to the World Series? Any newcomers in horizon (not FA)? How long will the Rays last? Can they repeat what they did in 2020? Did the short season help the Rays more than the Yankees?

 

Just curious....

 

They may need to do what DD did- go all out for one ring, instead of trying to be almost good enough, every year.

 

Yes, the playoffs are a crap shoot, and the Yanks came very close to going to the WS, this year, but when does "not close enough" become a burden that needs an immediate and full throttle effort to get over the hump?

 

Yankee fans must be scratching their heads if not pissing all over Yankee management.

[Nick]

Officially I'm not counting on Sox being competitive until 2022. I just don't see it. It'd be like drawing an inside straight with Ace, 3, 5.

[moonslav59]

The Sox farm has improved under Bloom. Some other farms have tanked around them. Bloom has likely brought boston from 29 into the 22-25 range. With boston choosing 4th in May, he should be able to bring the Sox into the 10-15 range

 

If we suck by the deadline, we may be able to improve the farm by trading away a few more pieces- FAs-to-be, including some we haven't even signed yet- like the Pillar & Moreland deals we made this past summer.

 

If we can get to 10-15 by this time, next year, I'd be very happy.

 

Another thing to look at is the estimated time of arrivals for our top prospects. I know age is not everything, but here's how it looks, now, according to soxprospects.com's rankings:

 

Age Group: (Total #top 10/top 20) Rankings of player in that age group

17-19: (0/ 4) 0/ 13. Yorke, 14. Lugo, 16. Jordan, 17. Ramirez

20-21: (3/ 5) 1. Casas, 3. Mata, 7. Jimenez/ 11. Rosario, 15. Potts

22-23: (4/ 6) 2. Downs, 5. Song, 8. Groome, 9. Ward/ 18. Murphy, 20. Wallace

24-25: (3/ 5) 4. Duran, 6. Dalbec, 10. Houck/ 12. Seabold, 19. Wong

26+: (0/ 0) None

 

Youngest non-prospect players:

22: Arauz

24: Devers, Verdugo, DHern

25: Dalbec, Chavis, Arroyo, Munoz

[moonslav59]

Officially I'm not counting on Sox being competitive until 2022. I just don't see it. It'd be like drawing an inside straight with Ace, 3, 5.

 

Which begs the question: should we make all our plans on 2022 and beyond, sometimes to the detriment of the 2021's team?

[Bellhorn04]

They may need to do what DD did- go all out for one ring, instead of trying to be almost good enough, every year.

 

Yes, the playoffs are a crap shoot, and the Yanks came very close to going to the WS, this year, but when does "not close enough" become a burden that needs an immediate and full throttle effort to get over the hump?

 

Yankee fans must be scratching their heads if not pissing all over Yankee management.

 

A high percentage of the fans on the Yankee forum I follow think Cashman and Boone should both be gone.

 

They point out that the Yankees have only been in one World Series in the last 17 seasons, while outspending everyone.

 

And they think Hal doesn't care about the rings, only the money.

[Nick]

Which begs the question: should we make all our plans on 2022 and beyond, sometimes to the detriment of the 2021's team?

 

For me the biggest question mark is what to do with E Rod.....can we get something for him this winter? Or hope he's back to 'normal' in 2021 and trade him at deadline?

 

If we are shooting for 2022, only way he's a Sox will cost us. Not sure if I want that with some young arms coming up by then.

 

I'm encouraged by both the Moreland trade and the Workman/Hembree trade.

Edited October 24, 2020 by Nick

[Nick]

A high percentage of the fans on the Yankee forum I follow think Cashman and Boone should both be gone.

 

They point out that the Yankees have only been in one World Series in the last 17 seasons, while outspending everyone.

 

And they think Hal doesn't care about the rings, only the money.

 

Yeah, there's big market money and then there's Yankees money. Even without a ring, Hal wakes up every morning and realizes how lucky he is....