2020 Trade Deadline

[mvp 78]

Hey that site only tells you if the trade values are equal, not whether or not both teams actually want the players involved...

 

Where's bloomwantstheseplayers.com?

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

I still like the trade that site approved last winter of Devers for the Braves' top three pitching prospects, plus (which I, as pseudo-owner, only approved after I signed Betts... for all my hundreds of dollars).

[notin]

Where's bloomwantstheseplayers.com?

 

Feel free to make that domain.

[harmony]

In only 28 games this year Wil Myers has posted 1.1 fWAR, valued at $8.9 million:

 

https://www.fangraphs.com/players/wil-myers/10047/stats?position=1B/OF#value

 

The contending San Diego Padres won't give up the 29-year-old Myers easily (on top of a top pitching prospect).

[notin]

In only 28 games this year Wil Myers has posted 1.1 fWAR, valued at $8.9 million:

 

https://www.fangraphs.com/players/wil-myers/10047/stats?position=1B/OF#value

 

The contending San Diego Padres won't give up the 29-year-old Myers easily (on top of a top pitching prospect).

 

His $8.9mill fWAR might not cover the $46mill he has left on his contract after this season. There is a reason baseballtradevalues has him vaued at -$18.5mill. The Padres probably gladly move Myers, taking advantage of a situation where another team might want him.

 

Or, the Padres could look at it another way, and decide the 28 games this season are the reality, and the outliers are the three previous seasons...

[harmony]

His $8.9mill fWAR might not cover the $46mill he has left on his contract after this season. There is a reason baseballtradevalues has him vaued at -$18.5mill. The Padres probably gladly move Myers, taking advantage of a situation where another team might want him.

 

Or, the Padres could look at it another way, and decide the 28 games this season are the reality, and the outliers are the three previous seasons...

The point is that a contending team with the league's third-best record is unlikely to trade away one of its most productive players, especially this year when the National League has the designated hitter.

 

The Red Sox, on the other hand, would gladly unload a player of Wil Myers' caliber and contract.

Edited August 26, 2020 by harmony

[notin]

The point is that a contending team with the league's third-best record is unlikely to trade away one of its most productive players, especially this year when the National League has the designated hitter.

 

The Red Sox, on the other hand, would gladly traded away a player of Wil Myers' caliber and contract.

 

The Padres are also a rather small market team that did desperately want to unload his contract. He is having a good year, but he is tied for 4th on the Padres in fWAR with Jake Croneneworth and Zack Davies. They are getting a lot of production from some good players.

 

They might hold Myers, but I do think they will take an opportunity to unload this deal if one presents itself...

[notin]

The point is that a contending team with the league's third-best record is unlikely to trade away one of its most productive players, especially this year when the National League has the designated hitter.

 

The Red Sox, on the other hand, would gladly traded away a player of Wil Myers' caliber and contract.

 

In what could be an interesting move, the Padres could actually take back JD Martinez in a swap for Myers and actually save money. Myyers is having a much better season, but that can change rapidly...

[harmony]

Last offseason Wil Myers and David Price were the perfect match.

[Kimmi]

The speculation about players must bother them, particularly when there is little chance of any trade being made in specific cases.

 

I prefer to think in terms of the basic goals as Bloom has already stated. He has been tasked with making the team consistently competitive. Unstated, but probably also likely, is that he wants to put an improved team on the field in 2021. To do that, he needs to retain the core players and also perhaps a few veterans who will help the team during the transition and be gone after 2021.

 

To do that, Bloom has to get fair value for those who don't fit the status of core player or short term help for 2021. I doubt if he can trade all of those that don't fit the want to keep categories by Aug 31st. He also has to listen to any offers for our want to keep list, but the offers have to blow him away to be considered, meaning they have to have the appearance of a clear trade win for the Sox. A swap of Beni for Judge would be an example of being blown away ( joke but it demonstrates what being blown away means).

 

I will consider his trades on the basis of the principles above.

 

Solid post Oldtimer. Once again, I very much agree with what you have stated as the team's goals for next year and beyond.

 

Despite what the players say, it has to be hard to focus with all the trade speculation that goes around. I know I would have a very hard time keeping focus if I thought there was a good possibility that I would be transferred.

[Kimmi]

Nobody is off limits, especially for a team staring at a profound rebuild. The fist thing the sox need to try to do is shed cost. But if they can deal off a star and get the groundwork for a rebuild/new core in return, then you gotta take it

 

Stop. Just stop.

[Larry Cook]

The speculation about players must bother them, particularly when there is little chance of any trade being made in specific cases.

 

I prefer to think in terms of the basic goals as Bloom has already stated. He has been tasked with making the team consistently competitive. Unstated, but probably also likely, is that he wants to put an improved team on the field in 2021. To do that, he needs to retain the core players and also perhaps a few veterans who will help the team during the transition and be gone after 2021.

 

To do that, Bloom has to get fair value for those who don't fit the status of core player or short term help for 2021. I doubt if he can trade all of those that don't fit the want to keep categories by Aug 31st. He also has to listen to any offers for our want to keep list, but the offers have to blow him away to be considered, meaning they have to have the appearance of a clear trade win for the Sox. A swap of Beni for Judge would be an example of being blown away ( joke but it demonstrates what being blown away means).

 

I will consider his trades on the basis of the principles above.

 

So which players are in our core for 2021.

[moonslav59]

The trade simulator accepted this:

 

Eovaldi, Vaz and Chavis

for

Myers, Quantrill, Baez & Trammell

[notin]

The trade simulator accepted this:

 

Eovaldi, Vaz and Chavis

for

Myers, Quantrill, Baez & Trammell

 

Simulator - yes. AJ Preller - probably not

[harmony]

Would anyone trade Mitch Moreland to the Yankees?

 

Some fans would like the Yankees to acquire Moreland:

 

http://www.nyyfansforum.com/showthread.php/140096-2020-Trade-Deadline-Thread/page4

[notin]

Would anyone trade Mitch Moreland to the Yankees?

 

Some fans would like the Yankees to acquire Moreland:

 

http://www.nyyfansforum.com/showthread.php/140096-2020-Trade-Deadline-Thread/page4

 

I saw one guy say the Yankees need to go after Trevor Bauer so they can see “if he fits in” with the club. I’ll save Cashman the prospects. He doesn’t. Reportedly Gerrit Cole and Bauer hate each other.

[Bellhorn04]

Would anyone trade Mitch Moreland to the Yankees?

 

Some fans would like the Yankees to acquire Moreland:

 

http://www.nyyfansforum.com/showthread.php/140096-2020-Trade-Deadline-Thread/page4

 

There are some things you just don't do.

[Kimmi]

Would anyone trade Mitch Moreland to the Yankees?

 

Some fans would like the Yankees to acquire Moreland:

 

http://www.nyyfansforum.com/showthread.php/140096-2020-Trade-Deadline-Thread/page4

 

NO!!!

[Kimmi]

There are some things you just don't do.

 

Amen, brother.

[notin]

There are some things you just don't do.

 

Our present is weak. If the Sox can strengthen their future and simultaneously weaken the future of the Yankees (even just a bit), is it worth it?

[mvp 78]

Would anyone trade Mitch Moreland to the Yankees?

 

Some fans would like the Yankees to acquire Moreland:

 

http://www.nyyfansforum.com/showthread.php/140096-2020-Trade-Deadline-Thread/page4

 

He deserves to be on a competitive team at the end of his career. Why waste it in BOS?

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

He deserves to be on a competitive team at the end of his career. Why waste it in BOS?

 

Bloom warned us the Sox weren't going to be as good this year without Betts and Price.

[illinoisredsox]

There are some things you just don't do.

 

I’d trade Moreland to NY in a heartbeat. Of course, the price would be steep. I’d want LaMahieu and a couple of those kid pitchers at minimum.

[mvp 78]

In terms of trading Moreland, he has a very cheap option for next year and is still very productive as a platoon guy with Chavis/Dalbec. In order to trade him, you would need to get fair value. You aren't going to just dump him.

[notin]

Bloom warned us the Sox weren't going to be as good this year without Betts and Price.

 

He also said water is wet...

[notin]

I’d trade Moreland to NY in a heartbeat. Of course, the price would be steep. I’d want LaMahieu and a couple of those kid pitchers at minimum.

 

So.. you wouldn't trade Moreland to NY...

[Bellhorn04]

Our present is weak. If the Sox can strengthen their future and simultaneously weaken the future of the Yankees (even just a bit), is it worth it?

 

There are some things you just don't do.

[Bellhorn04]

He deserves to be on a competitive team at the end of his career. Why waste it in BOS?

 

So you're writing us off for 2021?

[notin]

In terms of trading Moreland, he has a very cheap option for next year and is still very productive as a platoon guy with Chavis/Dalbec. In order to trade him, you would need to get fair value. You aren't going to just dump him.

 

In looking at baseballtradevalues.com, the top prospect a deal of Moreland to the Yankees might get you is maybe Albert Abreu, who Fangraphs has as their #13.

 

If that is the case, do you deal Moreland for Abreu?

 

I thik their valuation of Moreland might be rated low at $0.9mill surplus. He already has 1.1 fWAR this year. That's actually more than he was worth in the 4 previous full seasons, so it is clearly a career year for him. But if he projects as a even a 1+ fWAR player next year as well, then his surplus value should be closer to $5-6mill range. This would mean a fair trade would be something like Miguel Andujar (if the Sox wanted him), or one of their better pitching prospects like Miguel Yajure, Alexander Vizcaino, or maybe Luiis Gil. (Again, using baseballtradevalues.com valuations.)

 

So would you deal Moreland for any of them?

 

Acquiring Andujar would make either JD expendable, or make Chavis and/or Dalbec expendable...

[notin]

There are some things you just don't do.

 

Why?

 

If we didn't deal Mike Stanley to the Yankees in 1997, we might never have gotten Pedro Martinez...