2020 Trade Deadline

[mvp 78]

BTV still had him at negative trade value at half his price...

 

And BTV wouldn't approve the deal in the first place since it is a flawed system.

[notin]

And BTV wouldn't approve the deal in the first place since it is a flawed system.

 

Well, what BTV would ultimately have said back then was the Sox got the better end of the trade...

[moonslav59]

I would not sign Price for what the Dodgers are paying him and still owe him.

 

IMO, it was a net gain for us by losing him and half his contract, by itself.

[mvp 78]

I would not sign Price for what the Dodgers are paying him and still owe him.

 

IMO, it was a net gain for us by losing him and half his contract, by itself.

 

I would.

[Kimmi]

I look forward to continuing to debate this move for the next 10 years at which point there will be only 6 people left on here.

 

I can beat a dead horse with the best of them.

[Kimmi]

Signing Mookie to such a large long term deal and having Bogaerts, Sale, Eovaldi and JDM with big contracts and the Price contract hangover would have made it difficult to sign a couple more quality pitchers and fill some of the obvious gaps in the lineup. A 12 year deal is a high risk deal. It just wasn't right for the Sox at that time. We got a nice young player in Verdugo. It won't be that long until Devers will expect to be paid. Mookie is a great young player and it would have been nice to keep him in a Sox uniform. Too bad circumstances didn't permit it to happen.

 

Spending that much money on one player makes it extremely difficult to fill other needs on the roster. Yes, we would all love to have Mookie's production on the team. But to quote another poster, the great JoeyB, "We could either have Betts, or we can have something along the lines of Verdugo, Springer, Downs, and Morton. IMO, it is not close."

[moonslav59]

I would.

 

I will add, I think it's a close call, but at his age and with his injury history, I would not sign him as a FA for what he is still owed by the Dodgers.

[Kimmi]

I would.

 

Price gets such a bum rap with the Boston media and many Boston fans.

[Larry Cook]

We did the price signing, we got a ring from it! We traded him away!

 

Time to move along. Going back to a failed relationship only means more pain and suffering down the line!

[moonslav59]

Price gets such a bum rap with the Boston media and many Boston fans.

 

The money.

 

Fans expect players getting paid that much to do as well or better than they were doing before the signing, even if that is unrealistic.

 

I was okay with the signing, as I felt he was likely the best or one of the best FA Sp'ers on the market for a 5-7 year stretch. We needed an ace. There he was. Had we signed Scherzer the prior season (instead of Pablito and Ramito), the fans would be happier.

 

Many felt the deal was too long, but a necessity to land a gem like him. We expected he'd give us some great years early on and then probably be a burden towards the end of the deal.

 

It turns out we mitigated some of the back end losses, but paying $16M a year for nothing is still a large sunken cost.

 

Now, did he give us even close to what we expected for the first 4 years? I guess it depends on each of our expectations, but I think it's safe to say almost all of us thought he could have given us more. Without that playoff performance, we might be nearly unanimous on this (year, right!).

 

I won't dive too deeply into the numbers, but he gave us 98 starts and 588 IP in 4 seasons That's about 24 starts and 147 IP a year. While that doesn't seem awful, the guy had been a horse before the signing:

GS/IP (reverse order before our signing him)

32/220

34/248 (led league in both)

27/187

31/211

34/224 (led in GS)

32/209

 

(He did lead the league in IP his first year with the Sox, but the 358 IP the last 3 years combined really hurt. That's less than 120/yr.)

 

ERA/WHIP

3.38/1.199 first 4 years with TBR

2.90/1.087 middle 4 years with TBR & DET/TOR

3.84/1.204 with Boston

 

ERA+

117 first 4

133 middle 4

118 last 4

 

I realize it's not all about numbers, but I for one, expected better in those 4 years. He wasn't bad. It wasn't a bust, but at the price, Price was not worth the price tag.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

The money.

 

Fans expect players getting paid that much to do as well or better than they were doing before the signing, even if that is unrealistic.

 

I was okay with the signing, as I felt he was likely the best or one of the best FA Sp'ers on the market for a 5-7 year stretch. We needed an ace. There he was. Had we signed Scherzer the prior season (instead of Pablito and Ramito), the fans would be happier.

 

Many felt the deal was too long, but a necessity to land a gem like him. We expected he'd give us some great years early on and then probably be a burden towards the end of the deal.

 

It turns out we mitigated some of the back end losses, but paying $16M a year for nothing is still a large sunken cost.

 

Now, did he give us even close to what we expected for the first 4 years? I guess it depends on each of our expectations, but I think it's safe to say almost all of us thought he could have given us more. Without that playoff performance, we might be nearly unanimous on this (year, right!).

 

I won't dive too deeply into the numbers, but he gave us 98 starts and 588 IP in 4 seasons That's about 24 starts and 147 IP a year. While that doesn't seem awful, the guy had been a horse before the signing:

GS/IP (reverse order before our signing him)

32/220

34/248 (led league in both)

27/187

31/211

34/224 (led in GS)

32/209

 

(He did lead the league in IP his first year with the Sox, but the 358 IP the last 3 years combined really hurt. That's less than 120/yr.)

 

ERA/WHIP

3.38/1.199 first 4 years with TBR

2.90/1.087 middle 4 years with TBR & DET/TOR

3.84/1.204 with Boston

 

ERA+

117 first 4

133 middle 4

118 last 4

 

I realize it's not all about numbers, but I for one, expected better in those 4 years. He wasn't bad. It wasn't a bust, but at the price, Price was not worth the price tag.

 

It would also help a ballplayer's popularity if he showed more respect to the franchise, the ballpark, the city, and yes, the fans -- through their conduit of information, the media -- for not having to work another day of his life after baseball. But all a true fan really wants when rooting for a pro athlete is for the guy to wear a dirtdog attitude and at least pretend he wants to play in Yankee Stadium...

 

And Moon, good line about having to go long to land "a gem"... it's just the reality of star players and contracts these days (and will happen again and again, even post-Mookie -- and maybe while trying to replace Mookie).

Edited September 4, 2020 by 5GoldGloves:OF,75

[moonslav59]

It would also help a ballplayer's popularity if he showed more respect to the franchise, the ballpark, the city, and yes, the fans -- through their conduit of information, the media -- for not having to work another day of his life after baseball. But all a true fan really wants when rooting for a pro athlete is for the guy to wear a dirtdog attitude and at least pretend he wants to play in Yankee Stadium...

 

And Moon, good line about having to go long to land "a gem"... it's just the reality of star players and contracts these days (and will happen again and again, even post-Mookie -- and maybe while trying to replace Mookie).

 

Yes.

 

We will sign a big FA at some point. I think we'll wait until we think we are one stud away from being a top contender before doing that, so now is the time to find some hidden gems and low cost - team controlled role players that can get us closer to the "pounce time."

[Larry Cook]

Yes.

 

We will sign a big FA at some point. I think we'll wait until we think we are one stud away from being a top contender before doing that, so now is the time to find some hidden gems and low cost - team controlled role players that can get us closer to the "pounce time."

 

We need two starters and a half dozen relievers for next season. Hard to see hang’em Chaim making a big signing with all those gaping pitching holes to fill!

[moonslav59]

We need two starters and a half dozen relievers for next season. Hard to see hang’em Chaim making a big signing with all those gaping pitching holes to fill!

 

If Henry opens the wallet after the reset, he could, but I think he waits a year or two to "pounce."

 

He will try to sign players that can be part of the rebuild, and who will be around in 2-3 years, but I doubt he goes after Bauer or Springer.

[mvp 78]

We need two starters and a half dozen relievers for next season. Hard to see hang’em Chaim making a big signing with all those gaping pitching holes to fill!

 

6 relievers? No. Taylor, DHern, Barnes, Valdez and Brewer are fine. Need probably 2 - 3.

[Kimmi]

The money.

 

Fans expect players getting paid that much to do as well or better than they were doing before the signing, even if that is unrealistic.

 

I was okay with the signing, as I felt he was likely the best or one of the best FA Sp'ers on the market for a 5-7 year stretch. We needed an ace. There he was. Had we signed Scherzer the prior season (instead of Pablito and Ramito), the fans would be happier.

 

Many felt the deal was too long, but a necessity to land a gem like him. We expected he'd give us some great years early on and then probably be a burden towards the end of the deal.

 

It turns out we mitigated some of the back end losses, but paying $16M a year for nothing is still a large sunken cost.

 

Now, did he give us even close to what we expected for the first 4 years? I guess it depends on each of our expectations, but I think it's safe to say almost all of us thought he could have given us more. Without that playoff performance, we might be nearly unanimous on this (year, right!).

 

I won't dive too deeply into the numbers, but he gave us 98 starts and 588 IP in 4 seasons That's about 24 starts and 147 IP a year. While that doesn't seem awful, the guy had been a horse before the signing:

GS/IP (reverse order before our signing him)

32/220

34/248 (led league in both)

27/187

31/211

34/224 (led in GS)

32/209

 

(He did lead the league in IP his first year with the Sox, but the 358 IP the last 3 years combined really hurt. That's less than 120/yr.)

 

ERA/WHIP

3.38/1.199 first 4 years with TBR

2.90/1.087 middle 4 years with TBR & DET/TOR

3.84/1.204 with Boston

 

ERA+

117 first 4

133 middle 4

118 last 4

 

I realize it's not all about numbers, but I for one, expected better in those 4 years. He wasn't bad. It wasn't a bust, but at the price, Price was not worth the price tag.

 

I was not in favor of signing Price for that contract, but I was happy to have him on our team because he was a great pitcher. He did not live up to expectations as the ace that our staff needed, which turned a lot of fans against him. Yes, because we were paying him a lot.

 

So yes, I understand the criticism of him not living up to expectations on the field.

 

What I don't get is the criticism of his character, leadership, and other off field qualities. That's where he gets a bad rap.

[Kimmi]

It would also help a ballplayer's popularity if he showed more respect to the franchise, the ballpark, the city, and yes, the fans -- through their conduit of information, the media -- for not having to work another day of his life after baseball. But all a true fan really wants when rooting for a pro athlete is for the guy to wear a dirtdog attitude and at least pretend he wants to play in Yankee Stadium...

 

^^^Exhibit A

[Bellhorn04]

I was not in favor of signing Price for that contract, but I was happy to have him on our team because he was a great pitcher. He did not live up to expectations as the ace that our staff needed, which turned a lot of fans against him. Yes, because we were paying him a lot.

 

So yes, I understand the criticism of him not living up to expectations on the field.

 

What I don't get is the criticism of his character, leadership, and other off field qualities. That's where he gets a bad rap.

 

The situation with him and Eckersley was a bit ugly.

[Kimmi]

If Henry opens the wallet after the reset, he could, but I think he waits a year or two to "pounce."

 

He will try to sign players that can be part of the rebuild, and who will be around in 2-3 years, but I doubt he goes after Bauer or Springer.

 

Now is not the time to pounce. We need Mitch Moreland type signings for 2021 to keep the team competitive.

[Kimmi]

The situation with him and Eckersley was a bit ugly.

 

It was not his best moment, but my understanding is that Price tried to meet with Eck and apologize more than once, and Eck refused to meet with Price. Regardless, Price does not get a pass for that incident. But I also don't think that this incident means that Price was not a competitor, that he didn't care about winning, that he was afraid to face the Yankees, that he was a bad clubhouse presence, etc.

[mvp 78]

The situation with him and Eckersley was a bit ugly.

 

Price was just trying to stand up for his teammate. I think that was all overblown.

 

People don't bring up the JBJ/Eck thing as much as they bring up Price/Eck.

 

In fact, JBJ's tweet is still up.

 

@JackieBradleyJr

Huge thanks to @Eck43 for saying all the things I "can't"do these past few days. People like you is what drives me

[mvp 78]

It was not his best moment, but my understanding is that Price tried to meet with Eck and apologize more than once, and Eck refused to meet with Price. Regardless, Price does not get a pass for that incident. But I also don't think that this incident means that Price was not a competitor, that he didn't care about winning, that he was afraid to face the Yankees, that he was a bad clubhouse presence, etc.

 

I think it shows that he was better for the clubhouse than say the Pedroia "it's them not me" thing. If he was upset about something Eck said about himself, that's one thing, but he was defending ERod from Eck's comments.

[Kimmi]

I think it shows that he was better for the clubhouse than say the Pedroia "it's them not me" thing. If he was upset about something Eck said about himself, that's one thing, but he was defending ERod from Eck's comments.

 

I'm not about to throw Pedroia under the bus, but I agree with your points in this post and the previous post.

 

By all accounts, Price is a very good teammate. He also stepped up and agreed to pay the Dodgers' minor league players $1000 earlier this year.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

It was not his best moment, but my understanding is that Price tried to meet with Eck and apologize more than once, and Eck refused to meet with Price. Regardless, Price does not get a pass for that incident. But I also don't think that this incident means that Price was not a competitor, that he didn't care about winning, that he was afraid to face the Yankees, that he was a bad clubhouse presence, etc.

 

He earned his bad rep with a lot of etc.

[Tedballgame]

Price was just trying to stand up for his teammate. I think that was all overblown.

 

People don't bring up the JBJ/Eck thing as much as they bring up Price/Eck.

 

In fact, JBJ's tweet is still up.

 

@JackieBradleyJr

Huge thanks to @Eck43 for saying all the things I "can't"do these past few days. People like you is what drives me

 

Eck was right about Bradley and Price is a jerk. Good riddance to him. JBJ is not going to be worth the money he wants. He is not a young prospect anymore. Let him go. I'd rather they play Duran in CF than JBJ.

[mvp 78]

Thunder is probably happy with this.

 

Jacob Wallace, PTBNL for Pillar:"One of best makeups I've ever scouted in New England, says scout." Summer '18 Bourne Braves:13.2 IP, 0 R, 5 BB 25 K. '19 UConn:42 20 6 3 10 68. Tewksbury's Scott Oberg recruited him to UConn. Wallace from Steve Bedrosian's Methuen.

[Kimmi]

Thunder is probably happy with this.

 

Jacob Wallace, PTBNL for Pillar:"One of best makeups I've ever scouted in New England, says scout." Summer '18 Bourne Braves:13.2 IP, 0 R, 5 BB 25 K. '19 UConn:42 20 6 3 10 68. Tewksbury's Scott Oberg recruited him to UConn. Wallace from Steve Bedrosian's Methuen.

 

It sounds like we got a very good return in our PTBNL.

[Bellhorn04]

It sounds like we got a very good return in our PTBNL.

 

Bloom seem to be doing a fine job getting the max out of each trade.

[jacksonianmarch]

Bloom seem to be doing a fine job getting the max out of each trade.

 

He is an expert trader. Even if none of these guys pan out, there is a good enough chance that a couple will be good enough to have some value in another trade

[Nick]

Eck was right about Bradley and Price is a jerk. Good riddance to him. JBJ is not going to be worth the money he wants. He is not a young prospect anymore. Let him go. I'd rather they play Duran in CF than JBJ.

 

Move on from veterans such as JBJ. I too rather see someone fresh, young such as Duran. I want to see his speed.