2020 Trade Deadline

[mvp 78]

So you're writing us off for 2021?

 

It's hard to say what this team will look like. Are they going to bring up a bunch of young guys and replace departures of JBJ and whoever gets traded (Beni/JD/Moreland/Vaz). It's just a big question mark without knowing the roster construction.

 

Will ERod be healthy? Will Sale?

[mvp 78]

Why?

 

If we didn't deal Mike Stanley to the Yankees in 1997, we might never have gotten Pedro Martinez...

 

I don't believe Tony Armas Jr was the key to that deal.

[mvp 78]

In looking at baseballtradevalues.com, the top prospect a deal of Moreland to the Yankees might get you is maybe Albert Abreu, who Fangraphs has as their #13.

 

If that is the case, do you deal Moreland for Abreu?

 

I thik their valuation of Moreland might be rated low at $0.9mill surplus. He already has 1.1 fWAR this year. That's actually more than he was worth in the 4 previous full seasons, so it is clearly a career year for him. But if he projects as a even a 1+ fWAR player next year as well, then his surplus value should be closer to $5-6mill range. This would mean a fair trade would be something like Miguel Andujar (if the Sox wanted him), or one of their better pitching prospects like Miguel Yajure, Alexander Vizcaino, or maybe Luiis Gil. (Again, using baseballtradevalues.com valuations.)

 

So would you deal Moreland for any of them?

 

Acquiring Andujar would make either JD expendable, or make Chavis and/or Dalbec expendable...

 

I'd trade him for Andujar. I don't know enough about Abreu to say whether I would or not. doesn't seem like he had a very strong season in AA last year. Is he behind Mata and Ward on the depth chart?

[notin]

I don't believe Tony Armas Jr was the key to that deal.

 

Not so sure.

 

I do remember a story at the time about Steinbrenner being upset that the Red Sox were able to acquire Martinez, and being told by a staffer that "You had a shot if you still had Armas."

 

Bottom line is the Expos valued Martinez as being worth two specific pitchers. We had one. The Yankees had the other. Maybe they would have accepted a Pavano-Brian Rose package. But maybe they really liked Armas, too.

 

Either way, we cannot rewrite history. Having Armas definitely enabled us to acquire Pedro...

[notin]

I'd trade him for Andujar. I don't know enough about Abreu to say whether I would or not. doesn't seem like he had a very strong season in AA last year. Is he behind Mata and Ward on the depth chart?

 

I was just looking at their rankings (on Fangraphs, my preferred ranking site) and seeing who was the highest ranked pitcher that fit my valuation. No idea if he slots above or below Mata and Ward.

 

Worst case - he is ranked lower than Ward. Do you still do the deal?

 

(Despite the Sox dire need for pitching, I would lean towards Andujar in that deal. He is a proven MLB commodity and he frees up some set of JD, Chavis, and Dalbec to get pitching.)

[mvp 78]

I was just looking at their rankings (on Fangraphs, my preferred ranking site) and seeing who was the highest ranked pitcher that fit my valuation. No idea if he slots above or below Mata and Ward.

 

Worst case - he is ranked lower than Ward. Do you still do the deal?

 

(Despite the Sox dire need for pitching, I would lean towards Andujar in that deal. He is a proven MLB commodity and he frees up some set of JD, Chavis, and Dalbec to get pitching.)

 

The MLB site speaks highly of his stuff, just that he struggles with control. Instead of being a frontline starter, he may just be a bullpen guy (Betances et al). If I'm not expecting to compete next year, I make that move 100%. If Henry is telling me that the Sox need to be well above .500, I may have to think twice.

[mvp 78]

Not so sure.

 

I do remember a story at the time about Steinbrenner being upset that the Red Sox were able to acquire Martinez, and being told by a staffer that "You had a shot if you still had Armas."

 

Bottom line is the Expos valued Martinez as being worth two specific pitchers. We had one. The Yankees had the other. Maybe they would have accepted a Pavano-Brian Rose package. But maybe they really liked Armas, too.

 

Either way, we cannot rewrite history. Having Armas definitely enabled us to acquire Pedro...

 

Not sure who I trust less: Steinbrenner or the unnamed staffer. Saying that we wouldn't have traded for Pedro if we still had Mike Stanley is too much of a stretch in logic to me.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

If Im a contender that needs another bat, I'd take Andujar. If I'm rebuilding, the last thing I need is another player who can't play a defensive position as a major league regular.

[notin]

Not sure who I trust less: Steinbrenner or the unnamed staffer. Saying that we wouldn't have traded for Pedro if we still had Mike Stanley is too much of a stretch in logic to me.

 

It's not so much of an "unnamed staffer" as it is a 23 year old story with some details lost in the mental abyss.

 

But it's not like Armas was some sort of no-talent throw-in. The man was 10 lbs of talent jammed into a 5 lb sling. Carl Pavano plus any random arm does not get you Pedro Martinez...

Edited August 27, 2020 by notin

[Fan_since_Boggs]

The Yankees need SP. I would trade N.Eavoldi to the Yankees for C.Schmidt and M.Andujar. The Red Sox play Andujar in LF for the rest of the season to see if he can handle it. I would rather have Schmidt over Garcia. Garcia has a small small frame for a SP, I don't see him holding up for very long.

[notin]

The Yankees need SP. I would trade N.Eavoldi to the Yankees for C.Schmidt and M.Andujar. That's a fair deal. The Red Sox play Andujar in LF for the rest of the season to see if he can handle it. I would rather have Schmidt over Garcia. Garcia has a small small frame for an SP, I don't see him holding up for very long.

 

The Yankees, who have had Eovaldi once already and are therefore familiar with him, are not likely to give up an MLB-ready prospect like Clarke Schmidt to acquire an expensive SP with questionable durability. Eovaldi only netted Tampa Jalen Beeks when he did not have $34mill left on his deal. Doubtful he gets a better pitching prospect plus a young controllable MLB slugger now with that money attached.

 

They'll hand the ball over to Schmidt first. If he doesn't work out, they can just demote him back to the training site. If they trade him and Eovaldi struggles or gets hurt, they cannot undo the trade and get Schmidt back...

[notin]

If Im a contender that needs another bat, I'd take Andujar. If I'm rebuilding, the last thing I need is another player who can't play a defensive position as a major league regular.

 

Andujar does have 5 years of control left. I agree on needing pitching, but I also see pitching prospects as being riskier. If they don't work out, you're going to keep rebuilding...

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Andujar does have 5 years of control left. I agree on needing pitching, but I also see pitching prospects as being riskier. If they don't work out, you're going to keep rebuilding...

 

But corner platoon DHs are probably the easiest guys to find; the Rays cut one or two every year.

 

Nothing helps pitching work out more than solid defense, especially up the middle. A core of good glovemen with range and arms at catcher, short, second and center can make winners out of all kinds of Martin Perez types (of course, that was baseball tradition for over a century, before analytics just stuffed five guys on one side to get in the way of any one-hop liner or hard-hit grounder).

 

Sadly, if the rebuilding Red Sox consummate all of the past week's rumors -- and trade Bogie, Vaz and JBJ -- they'll have zero core D going forward.

[Swiharts Ghost]

But corner platoon DHs are probably the easiest guys to find; the Rays cut one or two every year.

 

Nothing helps pitching work out more than solid defense, especially up the middle. A core of good glovemen with range and arms at catcher, short, second and center can make winners out of all kinds of Martin Perez types (of course, that was baseball tradition for over a century, before analytics just stuffed five guys on one side to get in the way of any one-hop liner or hard-hit grounder).

 

Sadly, if the rebuilding Red Sox consummate all of the past week's rumors -- and trade Bogie, Vaz and JBJ -- they'll have zero core D going forward.

 

Vaz JD Barnes to Padres ....Perez or Evoldi to Rays....Mitch to where ever he wishes .I look to see if a trade for YAZ 2.0 can be made .....I keep JBJ .JBJ Verdugo YAZ for 2021 I look at Semian for short in 21 move Devers to DH and backup 3b Move Xander to third have Bobby start at 1st I am not sold on Casas bat yet .Infield of Semian Xander Bobby with perazza at 2nd .Lineup is Yaz ,Xander,Devers,Semian ,Verdugo ,Bobby,Jbj,Perazza new catcher

[Swiharts Ghost]

Vaz JD Barnes to Padres ....Perez or Evoldi to Rays....Mitch to where ever he wishes .I look to see if a trade for YAZ 2.0 can be made .....I keep JBJ .JBJ Verdugo YAZ for 2021 I look at Semian for short in 21 move Devers to DH and backup 3b Move Xander to third have Bobby start at 1st I am not sold on Casas bat yet .Infield of Semian Xander Bobby with perazza at 2nd .Lineup is Yaz ,Xander,Devers,Semian ,Verdugo ,Bobby,Jbj,Perazza new catcher

 

Just to add to this why not trade with Yankees at this point ? Evoldi for Andujar ? Lemehiew?

[notin]

Just to add to this why not trade with Yankees at this point ? Evoldi for Andujar ? Lemehiew?

 

Mostly because Cashman doesn’t make that trade even if you kidnap his children and make it a ransom demand...

[mvp 78]

Vaz JD Barnes to Padres ....Perez or Evoldi to Rays....Mitch to where ever he wishes .I look to see if a trade for YAZ 2.0 can be made .....I keep JBJ .JBJ Verdugo YAZ for 2021 I look at Semian for short in 21 move Devers to DH and backup 3b Move Xander to third have Bobby start at 1st I am not sold on Casas bat yet .Infield of Semian Xander Bobby with perazza at 2nd .Lineup is Yaz ,Xander,Devers,Semian ,Verdugo ,Bobby,Jbj,Perazza new catcher

 

Didn't you just quit this board earlier this week?

[mvp 78]

I quit I’m done with the f***ing place you all can go f*** off f***ing clowns

 

Couldn't even stay away for 2 days.

[notin]

Trade deadline / official season / reset day is 4 days away.

 

Little disappointed with the lack of a good rumor mill, let alone actual trades, however...

[Swiharts Ghost]

Couldn't even stay away for 2 days.

 

....MVP it’s Schtick been doing it for years Hence Swiharts Ghost .

[Kimmi]

Bloom warned us the Sox weren't going to be as good this year without Betts and Price.

 

We should have never traded Price.

[Kimmi]

There are some things you just don't do.

 

Amen, brother.

[moonslav59]

If we can fleece the Yanks for a decent prospect, what's the hold up?

 

Trading Price was the right thing to do. This lost season makes it even more reasonable.

[Bellhorn04]

If we can fleece the Yanks for a decent prospect, what's the hold up?

 

There are no actual reports of interest from the Yanks - just some Yanks fans.

[oldtimer]

If we can fleece the Yanks for a decent prospect, what's the hold up?

 

Trading Price was the right thing to do. This lost season makes it even more reasonable.

 

I'm with you. Unloading half of Price's contract was better than keeping him. We still wouldn't have been competitive so get rid of the errors and take your medicine now.

[notin]

I'm with you. Unloading half of Price's contract was better than keeping him. We still wouldn't have been competitive so get rid of the errors and take your medicine now.

 

Oh Price would have made ZERO difference this year, since he opted out...

[Thunder]

....MVP it’s Schtick been doing it for years Hence Swiharts Ghost .

 

What does this even mean lol

[Fan_since_Boggs]

The problem with Cashman, though, is his tendency to engage in "prospect hugging." He places too much value on prospects and doesn't get that extra piece the team needs to get over the top. There is a reason why the Yankees haven't played a World Series game in over a decade. The fact that the Yankees haven't played in a World Series in ten years and yet consistently have one of the highest payrolls year in and year out speaks to the dysfunctions within the organization. Edited August 28, 2020 by Fan_since_Boggs

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Oh Price would have made ZERO difference this year, since he opted out...

 

... except Red Sox nation would've still had to stomach his negative attitude toward the franchise and industry that made him and generations of future Prices so rich; that would've been a joy this summer (not to mention his no-trade kick-in that would've blessed us with his tired act and diminishing skills for the next three years after this).

[Tedballgame]

We should have never traded Price.

 

That's a joke isn't it?