2020 Trade Deadline

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Even though there was no corresponding spike in ERA or WHIP?

 

But in that Seven Sample Size, what was his straight rate? (seriously, I liked the italicized explanation you posted about his redundant location as a big part of Barnes' ish)

[mvp 78]

But in that Seven Sample Size, what was his straight rate? (seriously, I liked the italicized explanation you posted about his redundant location as a big part of Barnes' ish)

 

In the 5 games with the highest leverage index where he gave up a bomb, 4 out of those games had substantial pitch location issues where the FB was middle (and sometimes middle/middle) and the CB wasn't down enough in the zone. If I had to wager a guess about the performances on those games, he probably didn't look too good.

[notin]

Personally I feel like puking sometimes when I hear people talking about trading Devers or JD or Eovaldi.

 

Some folks just have this 'out with the old, in with the new' mentality.

 

I don’t think the Sox could trade Eovaldi without having some good blackmail. He’s owed too much and simply not durable.

 

Devers looks like a building block. Sure the Sox could arguably get more for him than anyone else, but in any trade of a marquee piece, you’re hoping to get a controllable asset you can build around, which Devers already is. So why trade Devers when you’re hoping to get someone like Devers back?

 

JDM has the most uncertain future on the team. The smart move might be to negotiate an extension with a lower AAV but more years...

[dgalehouse]

Personally I feel like puking sometimes when I hear people talking about trading Devers or JD or Eovaldi.

 

Some folks just have this 'out with the old, in with the new' mentality.

 

Supposedly, people want to rebuild the roster . But the more good players you get rid of , the bigger the rebuild job becomes . And you need good players to win . The whole thing becomes counter - productive and it goes on and on . Guys like J.D. and Devers don't come along every day . People need to think things through a little more .

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Supposedly, people want to rebuild the roster . But the more good players you get rid of , the bigger the rebuild job becomes . And you need good players to win . The whole thing becomes counter - productive and it goes on and on . Guys like J.D. and Devers don't come along every day . People need to think things through a little more .

 

I argued this all winter, and a few posters agreed. The Red Sox just let go their best cornerstone player to build around in 50 years, a guy on the verge of his prime who already proved his sustained value with the highest WAR for a rightfielder at his age in the history of baseball. He was so good he somehow priced himself out of one of the top five MLB markets on the planet.

 

Devers was historic for one season... do you lock him up now -- before it's cost prohibitive -- but also take the chance he has weight issues and/or focus factors? Or if you fear the latter, do you maximize his trade value? He only has to duplicate his elite production for another half decade to approach Mookie's accomplishments...

[jad]

Personally I feel like puking sometimes when I hear people talking about trading Devers or JD or Eovaldi.

 

Some folks just have this 'out with the old, in with the new' mentality.

 

The theory is to get rid of the expensive contracts before their value goes under water. Plus, if you can move someone at the height of their trade value, you may be able to derive more future value from another team (controllable assets). The first part is money. The second part is managing your prospect pipeline.

 

Yeah, my bad. I should have said not that I don't 'understand' it (I do), but rather (perhaps slightly less delicately) that I think the theory is f*cking insane!

[harmony]

Middle infielder Jeter Downs at No. 49 and first baseman Triston Casas at No. 85 are the lone Red Sox representatives* on MLB Pipeline's Top 100 prospect list:

 

Top 100 Baseball Prospects | MLB.com

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The Sox will be hard-pressed to improve the farm through inseason trades.

 

Or not.

 

* credit to notin for the correction

Edited August 6, 2020 by harmony

[mvp 78]

Middle infielder Jeter Downs at No. 49 is the lone Red Sox representative on MLB Pipeline's Top 100 prospect list:

 

Top 100 Baseball Prospects | MLB.com

WWW.MLB.COM

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The Official Site of Major League Baseball

 

The Sox will be hard-pressed to improve the farm through inseason trades.

 

Or not.

List is bogus without Casas.

[notin]

Middle infielder Jeter Downs at No. 49 is the lone Red Sox representative on MLB Pipeline's Top 100 prospect list:

 

Top 100 Baseball Prospects | MLB.com

WWW.MLB.COM

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The Official Site of Major League Baseball

 

The Sox will be hard-pressed to improve the farm through inseason trades.

 

Or not.

 

I think that’s the goal, assuming anyone is giving up good prospects.

 

Also, Downs is NOT the only Sox prospect. See my next post..,

Edited August 6, 2020 by notin

[notin]

List is bogus without Casas.

 

Casas is 85...

[notin]

The most interesting thing about that list is the Yankees also only have two prospects, and Deivi Garcia is not among them...

[harmony]

Casas is 85...

Thank you for the correction.

[Bellhorn04]

Thank you for the correction.

 

You are losing your fastball.

Edited August 6, 2020 by Bellhorn04

[mvp 78]

Casas is 85...

 

LoL

[mvp 78]

Like Joe Biden, you are losing your fastball.

 

Not on this post pleez

[mvp 78]

O’Halloran on @weei says it’s such a strange year with the deadline already approaching but the Sox are talking to other teams about trades. Says it’s not really about buying and selling, they want moves that improve now and the future.

[jad]

IF the goal of a team were simply "win as many WS as possible" ... But that is not why fans follow a team. We get invested in players we have watched come up, or new players. I didn't enjoy following the careers of Yaz, Jim Rice, Boggs, or even Frank Malzone and Teddy himself any less because they didn't win a WS. The first WS was great; but frankly, after that, ... meh. So as a fan, my attitude is always if you HAVE an interesting and talented player, for God's sake keep him. That's why I watch. (And please, before reviling me as "not a true fan", note that I am not claiming you should have the same attitude I have.)

[oldtimer]

I like to keep good players when we can as well, but you have to ask if between Betts, Price, Sale and Bogaerts you can pay $115 mil and still pay the others on the 40 man enough to have a solid team. Risk also plays a part with long term contracts seldom effective for the duration. I would like a competitive team backed by a group of solid prospects. We aren't there right now but in Bloom I trust.

[Tedballgame]

I don't really care about this season so I hope they trade anybody for something that improves the team going forward. This year is an anomaly. Short season, no fans, no enthusiasm.

 

Don't trade Devers, Bogie, Verdugo, J.D., Casas, Groome, Downs, Vazquez or E-Rod. Everyone else on current roster is fair game.

[notin]

I don't really care about this season so I hope they trade anybody for something that improves the team going forward. This year is an anomaly. Short season, no fans, no enthusiasm.

 

Don't trade Devers, Bogie, Verdugo, J.D., Casas, Groome, Downs, Vazquez or E-Rod. Everyone else on current roster is fair game.

 

I'd add Benintendi to that list, especially since he has shown a willingness to sign cheap contracts. That's one skill that you need on every team...

[mvp 78]

IF the goal of a team were simply "win as many WS as possible" ... But that is not why fans follow a team. We get invested in players we have watched come up, or new players. I didn't enjoy following the careers of Yaz, Jim Rice, Boggs, or even Frank Malzone and Teddy himself any less because they didn't win a WS. The first WS was great; but frankly, after that, ... meh. So as a fan, my attitude is always if you HAVE an interesting and talented player, for God's sake keep him. That's why I watch. (And please, before reviling me as "not a true fan", note that I am not claiming you should have the same attitude I have.)

 

Speak for yourself. I'm a sucker for titles.

[mvp 78]

I don't really care about this season so I hope they trade anybody for something that improves the team going forward. This year is an anomaly. Short season, no fans, no enthusiasm.

 

Don't trade Devers, Bogie, Verdugo, J.D., Casas, Groome, Downs, Vazquez or E-Rod. Everyone else on current roster is fair game.

 

I think EVERYONE is fair game.

 

However, my preference would be to keep (based on trade value):

Devers, Bogey, Verdugo, Vaz, DHern, Beni, Casas, Downs, Mata, Duran, Groome, Song, Ward

 

If they moved Xander or Raffy, I think it would be brutal for the fans.

[Donnie Sadler was short]

I think EVERYONE is fair game.

 

However, my preference would be to keep (based on trade value):

Devers, Bogey, Verdugo, Vaz, DHern, Beni, Casas, Downs, Mata, Duran, Groome, Song, Ward

 

If they moved Xander or Raffy, I think it would be brutal for the fans.

 

Then in other words you have no one to trade In order to get something even prospects you have to give up something

[mvp 78]

Then in other words you have no one to trade In order to get something even prospects you have to give up something

 

Well, you can't trade Beni or ERod right now. There's no trade value there. Bogey and Xander are the heart of the team. Trading prospects rarely brings anything substantial back for teams not in contention. Verdugo, DHern and the prospects are all cheap and controllable. It doesn't make much sense to move them. Vaz is the only half decent catcher in the organization.

 

Trade: JD, Eovaldi, JBJ, Pillar, Peraza, Moreland, Chavis, Perez and any of the relievers not mentioned.

[notin]

Well, you can't trade Beni or ERod right now. There's no trade value there. Bogey and Xander are the heart of the team. Trading prospects rarely brings anything substantial back for teams not in contention. Verdugo, DHern and the prospects are all cheap and controllable. It doesn't make much sense to move them. Vaz is the only half decent catcher in the organization.

 

Trade: JD, Eovaldi, JBJ, Pillar, Peraza, Moreland, Chavis, Perez and any of the relievers not mentioned.

 

Most of those players are basically untradable or likely to draw little to no interest. Chavis should be worth something. JD might be but I’d be surprised...

[oldtimer]

Well, you can't trade Beni or ERod right now. There's no trade value there. Bogey and Xander are the heart of the team. Trading prospects rarely brings anything substantial back for teams not in contention. Verdugo, DHern and the prospects are all cheap and controllable. It doesn't make much sense to move them. Vaz is the only half decent catcher in the organization.

 

Trade: JD, Eovaldi, JBJ, Pillar, Peraza, Moreland, Chavis, Perez and any of the relievers not mentioned.

 

The idea of trading players would be either to get something substantial back in prospects, get non-performing contracts off the books or let go of players no in the plan for 2021/2022. Looking at your list,

 

I don't think JD would be of interest due to his cost as a DH only.

Eovaldi might be for someone looking for a useful are. He probably is not in our 2022 plans and we might do better with what his contract comes to.

JBJ is a great defensive player with an inconsistent bat who is pricey and a FA next season. Can't imagine him bring much in return.

Pillar may be slightly more valuable and I like him on the Sox so wouldn't trade him now.

Peraza I have no opinion. Possibly Jeter Downs is where we hope to go in future.

Moreland is a pro and might help some team right now. He won't be in our plans going forward so maybe we should try and trade him.

Chavis is low cost, young, has power but may not be in our LT plans with Casas in the wings. I doubt if we could get much in return.

Perez might well interest some teams but he fills in one of our weakest spots. Could we see him staying for a couple of years?

 

I think 8 of our next 11 games are against the Yankees and Rays. Is anyone on the site expecting our record will show improvement during this period? Clearly it is time to look to trade what we can.

[mvp 78]

The idea of trading players would be either to get something substantial back in prospects, get non-performing contracts off the books or let go of players no in the plan for 2021/2022. .

 

The only players that would get something substantial back would be Xander and Raffy. Considering that they just traded a future HOFer, it's hard for me to imagine them moving either of those two guys especially if they want to sell tickets or get tv revenue next season.

 

I think JD would have some interest since the NL now uses a DH and he can play corner OF if he has to. Any team that needs a bat to put them over the top would be more than happy to grab him.

 

My biggest question about trades this year are that you can only trade for players currently on other team's player pool. This means that the type of prospects you can get back in a trade are more limited than normal. That could really affect any trade for Xander or Devers.

[mvp 78]

Most of those players are basically untradable or likely to draw little to no interest. Chavis should be worth something. JD might be but I’d be surprised...

 

I think Eovaldi and Perez could draw interest for sure. JBJ/Pillar could fit the "trade for a 4th OFer" that a lot of competing teams trade for at the deadline. Similarly, Moreland has a solid glove.

 

I don't think those guys bring back a substantial haul, but I think you could get a couple high ceiling/low floor type prospects.

[jad]

Speak for yourself. I'm a sucker for titles.

 

Ha. That's why I included he last sentence of my post. I suppose my reply would be: would you rather have been a Red Sox fan in the second half of the 20th century, or a Marlins fan?

[mvp 78]

Ha. That's why I included he last sentence of my post. I suppose my reply would be: would you rather have been a Red Sox fan in the second half of the 20th century, or a Marlins fan?

 

Hard to compare since they didn't start until 1993. Who would I have been a fan of prior to that?