A Realistic View at 2020: Part II

[moonslav59]

The Red Sox announced Monday that they’ve acquired minor league catcher Jhonny Pereda from the Cubs as the player to be named later in the January trade that sent righty Travis Lakins from Boston to Chicago. Lakins, oddly enough, is no longer even in the Cubs organization; he was claimed off waivers by the Orioles just 10 days after the Cubs acquired him. Pereda is not on the 40-man roster, so a corresponding move isn’t necessary for the Sox.

 

Pereda, 24 next month, had a rough year in Double-A this past season, slashing .241/.336/.305 with just two home runs and 16 doubles in 398 plate appearances. Pereda caught a third of the runners who attempted to steal against him and won a minor league Gold Glove Award, but he also turned in poor framing metrics...

-MLBTR

[mvp 78]

The Red Sox announced Monday that they’ve acquired minor league catcher Jhonny Pereda from the Cubs as the player to be named later in the January trade that sent righty Travis Lakins from Boston to Chicago. Lakins, oddly enough, is no longer even in the Cubs organization; he was claimed off waivers by the Orioles just 10 days after the Cubs acquired him. Pereda is not on the 40-man roster, so a corresponding move isn’t necessary for the Sox.

 

Pereda, 24 next month, had a rough year in Double-A this past season, slashing .241/.336/.305 with just two home runs and 16 doubles in 398 plate appearances. Pereda caught a third of the runners who attempted to steal against him and won a minor league Gold Glove Award, but he also turned in poor framing metrics...

-MLBTR

 

Framing metrics won't matter in a few years.

 

Hail robot umps! Hail!

[Kimmi]

Framing metrics won't matter in a few years.

 

Hail robot umps! Hail!

 

That's still a hard NO to robot umps!

 

When we do get robot umps, caught stealing will become a more important defensive metric for catchers, so there is that.

[Tedballgame]

Baseball, and sports, are the last thing on my mind now.

[mvp 78]

That's still a hard NO to robot umps!

 

When we do get robot umps, caught stealing will become a more important defensive metric for catchers, so there is that.

 

They are coming. It will be glorious.

[notin]

That's still a hard NO to robot umps!

 

When we do get robot umps, caught stealing will become a more important defensive metric for catchers, so there is that.

 

Even though it’s more heavily influenced by the pitcher?

[notin]

They are coming. It will be glorious.

 

I bet people will still disagree with robot umps just as much as they disagree with human umps...

[mvp 78]

I bet people will still disagree with robot umps just as much as they disagree with human umps...

 

For me, it's going to put the blame on the pitchers and batters more. We'll have to see though.

[oldtimer]

That's still a hard NO to robot umps!

 

When we do get robot umps, caught stealing will become a more important defensive metric for catchers, so there is that.

 

I think of it as technology assisted umpires. Still have the ump but the techology relays the ball/strike call except for the swing and foul tip. We get consistent calls instead of watching 3rd strikes called balls and pitches 2 inches outside called strikes. The techology is available. Tiime to use it.

[Bellhorn04]

The Red Sox announced Monday that they’ve acquired minor league catcher Jhonny Pereda from the Cubs as the player to be named later in the January trade that sent righty Travis Lakins from Boston to Chicago. Lakins, oddly enough, is no longer even in the Cubs organization; he was claimed off waivers by the Orioles just 10 days after the Cubs acquired him. Pereda is not on the 40-man roster, so a corresponding move isn’t necessary for the Sox.

 

Pereda, 24 next month, had a rough year in Double-A this past season, slashing .241/.336/.305 with just two home runs and 16 doubles in 398 plate appearances. Pereda caught a third of the runners who attempted to steal against him and won a minor league Gold Glove Award, but he also turned in poor framing metrics...

-MLBTR

 

Again with the Killer P's?

[Kimmi]

Baseball, and sports, are the last thing on my mind now.

 

Talking about baseball is a way to take my mind off of other things for a while.

[Kimmi]

They are coming. It will be glorious.

 

Yes, I know they are coming sooner or later. Unfortunately.

[Kimmi]

Even though it’s more heavily influenced by the pitcher?

 

Yes, even with that. The metrics are specific enough these days that the influence of the pitcher, along with the speed/effectiveness of the runner, etc. can all be accounted for.

 

Caught stealing has never been one of the highest defensive priorities of a catcher. But if pitch framing is eliminate, then CS becomes more significant. It won't be the be all end all metric, just more significant than it is now.

[Kimmi]

I think of it as technology assisted umpires. Still have the ump but the techology relays the ball/strike call except for the swing and foul tip. We get consistent calls instead of watching 3rd strikes called balls and pitches 2 inches outside called strikes. The techology is available. Tiime to use it.

 

I know that most people agree with your opinion. I am just against it, as I am against instant replay of any kind. It bothers me that technology will have such a big impact over the outcome of a live game.

[oldtimer]

I know that most people agree with your opinion. I am just against it, as I am against instant replay of any kind. It bothers me that technology will have such a big impact over the outcome of a live game.

 

I prefer technology to incompetence

[Elktonnick]

I prefer technology to incompetence

 

Incompetence is part of the game. Incompetence is what makes games a game.

[mvp 78]

Incompetence is part of the game. Incompetence is what makes games a game.

 

For players? Sure. For umps? No! The umpiring shouldn't be a "part of the game." It should just be accurate as possible.

[mvp 78]

If you are pro umpire incompetence, you can never complain about an Angel Hernandez game. In fact, you probably wish Angel was the ump every game if you think that umpiring incompetence is just "part of the game."

[Bellhorn04]

And even the best umps are 'incompetent' in calling balls and strikes with perfect accuracy. So they need the technology.

[mvp 78]

And even the best umps are 'incompetent' in calling balls and strikes with perfect accuracy. So they need the technology.

 

I'd say, go to balls and strikes being automated. Umps can call everything else with teams being able to do 2 challenges a game, 3 if 2 successful challenges.

[Thunder]

Not to change the topic here, but it's been so long without baseball that I've forgotten who's even on the roster

[mvp 78]

Not to change the topic here, but it's been so long without baseball that I've forgotten who's even on the roster

 

I couldn't name half of the pitching staff most likely, but I'm going to give it a shot without peeking.

 

mitch

chavis

arauz

plawecki

vazquez

bogey

devers

jd

jbj

benny

parada (sp?)

verdugo (il)

lin

pillar

 

14 players less 1 IL (didn't include pedroia)

 

13 pitchers:

sale (il)

mchugh (il)

perez

erod

weber

eovaldi

johnson

brice

workman

braizer

hembree

barnes

mazza

 

Can't remember anyone else at the moment.

[Thunder]

Damn, I don't know who half of those guys are. Gross.

[moonslav59]

Not to change the topic here, but it's been so long without baseball that I've forgotten who's even on the roster

 

Will they even have an “opening day” 26 man roster set?

[moonslav59]

I'd say, go to balls and strikes being automated. Umps can call everything else with teams being able to do 2 challenges a game, 3 if 2 successful challenges.

 

Sounds like a good starting point.

[Bellhorn04]

Damn, I don't know who half of those guys are. Gross.

 

Yeah, a lot of them are just names now. When they play some games that will change.

[mvp 78]

Yeah, a lot of them are just names now. When they play some games that will change.

 

Plawecki would be forgotten by me, but he played really well in ST.

[notin]

I couldn't name half of the pitching staff most likely, but I'm going to give it a shot without peeking.

 

mitch

chavis

arauz

plawecki

vazquez

bogey

devers

jd

jbj

benny

parada (sp?)

verdugo (il)

lin

pillar

 

14 players less 1 IL (didn't include pedroia)

 

13 pitchers:

sale (il)

mchugh (il)

perez

erod

weber

eovaldi

johnson

brice

workman

braizer

hembree

barnes

mazza

 

Can't remember anyone else at the moment.

 

Darwinzon Hernandez, Josh Taylor, Marcus Walden

[mvp 78]

Darwinzon Hernandez, Josh Taylor, Marcus Walden

 

Can't believe I forgot Darwinzon. That guy is a beast and fun to watch.

[notin]

Can't believe I forgot Darwinzon. That guy is a beast and fun to watch.

 

He was the only one I noticed. I had to look up Taylor and Walden.

 

But I just knew no way in Hell was Chris Mazza making the roster without a glut of injuries involved...