Mookie Betts and David Price have been traded to Dodgers

[Swiharts Ghost]

What if righthander Jordan Balazovic replaces Brusdar Graterol in the deal?

 

https://www.baseball-reference.com/register/player.fcgi?id=balazo000jor

 

Balazovic, who is three weeks younger than Graterol, lacks the latter's MLB-readiness but is similarly ranked at MLB Pipeline:

 

http://m.mlb.com/prospects/2020?list=prospects

 

… and similarly rated at FanGraphs:

 

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/top-33-prospects-boston-red-sox/

 

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/top-43-prospects-minnesota-twins/

 

No if we wanted that kid we would have asked .Bloom asks for number 2 now ? You know how that smells

[harmony]

No if we wanted that kid we would have asked .Bloom asks for number 2 now ? You know how that smells

Perhaps the Red Sox asked for Jordan Balazovic but settled for their second choice in Brusdar Graterol.

 

Or not.

Edited February 6, 2020 by harmony

[Swiharts Ghost]

Because the Twins have the asset in question, the Dodgers should not be asked to sweeten their contribution.

 

 

Harmony I’m not sure that you can go back to the twins when they passed off damaged goods and Dodgers already gave us a gimpy back Verdugo ? I’m reeling this back and shutting it down .Total Trainereck scenario now

Edited February 6, 2020 by Swiharts Ghost

[harmony]

Harmony I’m not sure that you can go back to the twins when they passed off damaged goods and Dodgers already gave us a gimpy back Verdugo ? I’m reeling this back and shutting it down .Total Trainereck scenario now

With the proposed trade, each team assumes an injury risk, especially the Dodgers with David Price and his rumored net annual salary of $16 million.

[jung]

I think you're overestimating what teams were willing to give up for one year of Mookie at 27 million.

 

It appears that one team was willing to give a so-so OFer with a bad back and somebody else's broken down pitcher with a bum arm.

 

We cannot forget that while we seem to be in the later stages of this discussion, the Dodgers got Price at half his contract cost out of this deal. For a team adamant about taking the title, it is not clear to me that Price at $16M is a bad deal for the Dodgers.

 

The Sox worked themselves into such a corner that they had to trade the best player on their team and the likely third best baseball if not second best in all baseball as a salary dump. Sox make one offer, Betts counters clearly indicating a willingness to talk and........ WE TRADE HIM!

 

We traded the most consistent pitcher we had with all his faults and foibles and are paying half his salary to watch him pitch for somebody else. We are left having to hope Erod can duplicate his 2019 consistency.

 

There were many short strokes that led up to this mess. The last nails in this coffin were the Sale 5 year deal starting this year and the Eovaldi overpay and Henry's recognition that he did not even have the assets to put around Mookie to make another Championship run at this point. That was an entirely logical conclusion on Henry's part. Why should Henry pay the lux tax hit for being three years over when he is not headed to another Championship in the near term and Fenway Group as a business is not dependent on any one player nor winning another Championship in the short run. I do think clearing out any reasonable ability to speculate about the potential greatness of the 2020 edition will hurt the Sox marketing effort but not fatally.

 

The first short strokes were DD constantly overpaying in prospects to get players which stripped the franchise of any semblance of a farm system. Everybody in baseball knows it and everybody in baseball is treating the Sox like a franchise that has no options down on the farm. DD was banging prospects out of this place from the moment he got here, to such a degree that you really have to wonder if he ever put up a fight to keep anybody.

 

Alternately, did DD hold to his well worn reputation that once getting it into his head that he wanted a player he would give you just about whatever prospects you wanted. I don't point here to Moncado for Sale. You had to expect to lose Moncada for a Chris Sale. Should we have put so much value around Moncada? How many deals like that did we see from DD and how often has he done that? Did he not leave Detroit in the same mess. The only dif between DD's stewardship in Detroit and here is that we at least got one Championship out of it and they didn't and as businesses, Fenway Group is far better positioned to sustain itself than Detroit could hope to be.

 

As for Henry's walkbacks.... I don't believe ANY walkbacks whether from John Henry or Mick Mulvaney or anybody else. Walkbacks are efforts to correct moments of honesty that had consequences attached to them. Walkbacks are simply efforts to mitigate the effects of things that on reflection by the person in question would have been better left unsaid.

Edited February 6, 2020 by jung

[mvp 78]

With the proposed trade, each team assumes an injury risk, especially the Dodgers with David Price and his rumored net annual salary of $16 million.

 

All deals are "pending physicals." I believe they are fine with Verdugo's issues but maybe something new popped up in Brusdar's? Sox have every right to pull back. I don't think they do though.

[mvp 78]

"So-so outfielder."

 

Disagree.

[oldtimer]

With the proposed trade, each team assumes an injury risk, especially the Dodgers with David Price and his rumored net annual salary of $16 million.

 

I just read of Alex Verdugo's presence in an alleged rape which might impact him as a person who did nothing to stop it from happening. If true, it might further taint the trade and explain why the Dodgers were willing to include him in the package. Som ething to consider.

[jung]

"So-so outfielder."

 

Disagree.

 

I bet you think Beni is more than a so-so OFer too.

[jad]

I don't know: one suspected rapist, a minor league pitcher, both with histories of injury, plus paying Price to play for someone else. Seems to me that getting rid of the best player in baseball on a contract well below market value is a pretty small price to pay for a haul like that.

[redsoxrules]

Just have LA eat the whole price contract and call it a deal

[mvp 78]

Just have LA eat the whole price contract and call it a deal

 

Hell yeah.

[bkzwhitestrican]

Brusdar or elguapo has something in his medicals that the Redsox believe will hinder him from ever becoming a dominant starter ....he is damaged goods .Hmmmm

 

I assume the nickname "El Guapo" is ironic

[mvp 78]

I don't know: one suspected rapist, a minor league pitcher, both with histories of injury, plus paying Price to play for someone else. Seems to me that getting rid of the best player in baseball on a contract well below market value is a pretty small price to pay for a haul like that.

 

Verdugo wasn't a part of that. He was there, but he was drinking at the party but not involved in the sexual assault.

[notin]

Because the Twins have the asset in question, the Dodgers should not be asked to sweeten their contribution.

 

They would if they want to cut the Twins out completely...

[notin]

Just have LA eat the whole price contract and call it a deal

 

That might be on the table...

[harmony]

That might be on the table...

The Dodgers reportedly negotiated the proposed trade to keep under the luxury tax threshold. Assuming the entire David Price contract would likely be a deal-breaker for the Dodgers.

[jung]

That might be on the table...

 

Would not surprise me entirely to see the Dodgers take that.

[mvp 78]

I assume the nickname "El Guapo" is ironic

 

That's what they used to call Rich Garces 20 years ago.

[notin]

I bet you think Beni is more than a so-so OFer too.

 

Of course he is.

 

Do you think Michael Conforto is a “so so” outfielder?

[a700hitter]

If the problem is with Verdugo, it could probably be fixed by offloading more money for Price.

 

If the problem with Graterol, the Twins would have to replace him with another prospect.

 

If the problem is with Price, the deal could fall apart.

[notin]

The Dodgers reportedly negotiated the proposed trade to keep under the luxury tax threshold. Assuming the entire David Price contract would likely be a deal-breaker for the Dodgers.

 

Then they better find someone to send the Sox a controllable young starter for Maeda...

[jung]

Of course he is.

 

Do you think Michael Conforto is a “so so” outfielder?

 

Please....you have got to be kidding. We are talking about the total ballplayers here, not just their fielding. Beni is not in the same league with Conforto.

[harmony]

Then they better find someone to send the Sox a controllable young starter for Maeda...

Jordan Balazovic:

 

https://www.talksox.com/forum/threads/19697-Deal-hits-major-Snag-we-need-something-added-or-different-player?p=1305940#post1305940

[mvp 78]

If the problem is with Verdugo, it could probably be fixed by offloading more money for Price.

 

If the problem with Graterol, the Twins would have to replace him with another prospect.

 

If the problem is with Price, the deal could fall apart.

 

The hold up seems to be with Graterol per all reports.

[mvp 78]

I bet you think Beni is more than a so-so OFer too.

 

Yeah dude. He's a really good young OFer.

[Swiharts Ghost]

If the problem is with Verdugo, it could probably be fixed by offloading more money for Price.

 

If the problem with Graterol, the Twins would have to replace him with another prospect.

 

If the problem is with Price, the deal could fall apart.

 

Good point but maybe add to it and keep him in the pen

Edited February 6, 2020 by Swiharts Ghost

[Swiharts Ghost]

What if righthander Jordan Balazovic replaces Brusdar Graterol in the deal?

 

https://www.baseball-reference.com/register/player.fcgi?id=balazo000jor

 

Balazovic, who is three weeks younger than Graterol, lacks the latter's MLB-readiness but is similarly ranked at MLB Pipeline:

 

http://m.mlb.com/prospects/2020?list=prospects

 

… and similarly rated at FanGraphs:

 

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/top-33-prospects-boston-red-sox/

 

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/top-43-prospects-minnesota-twins/

 

Harmony has something here ....but keep Brusdar not an either or .

Edited February 6, 2020 by Swiharts Ghost

[harmony]

Harmony has something here ....but keep Brusdar also not an either or .

The Twins are unlikely to trade two Top 100 prospects for Kenta Maeda.

[notin]

Please....you have got to be kidding. We are talking about the total ballplayers here, not just their fielding. Beni is not in the same league with Conforto.

 

Yeah. Benki has only been worth 6.4 fWAR the last 2 seasons. Conforto has been worth a whopping 6.7 fWAR. Worlds of difference