Mookie Betts and David Price have been traded to Dodgers

[moonslav59]

I can't see how anyone would be for paying Price $15M a year x 3 years, if he was a FA right now.

 

That's essentially what he is costing LA, and I'm pretty sure, they'd rather have Maeda and his contract over Price and his minus $16M a year.

[Swiharts Ghost]

I can't see how anyone would be for paying Price $15M a year x 3 years, if he was a FA right now.

 

That's essentially what he is costing LA, and I'm pretty sure, they'd rather have Maeda and his contract over Price and his minus $16M a year.

 

Yankees ?

[Kimmi]

I can't see how anyone would be for paying Price $15M a year x 3 years, if he was a FA right now.

 

That's essentially what he is costing LA, and I'm pretty sure, they'd rather have Maeda and his contract over Price and his minus $16M a year.

 

So, you agree with us.

[jung]

I can't see how anyone would be for paying Price $15M a year x 3 years, if he was a FA right now.

 

That's essentially what he is costing LA, and I'm pretty sure, they'd rather have Maeda and his contract over Price and his minus $16M a year.

 

But that is not really the question is it. Is a year of Mookie at $27M plus Price at $16M worth it to the Dodgers adamant about winning it all and ASAP? You're damned right it is.

[mvp 78]

I can't see how anyone would be for paying Price $15M a year x 3 years, if he was a FA right now.

 

That's essentially what he is costing LA, and I'm pretty sure, they'd rather have Maeda and his contract over Price and his minus $16M a year.

I’d pay it.

[mvp 78]

If Ward is valued at 4 and we have two pitchers that have doubled and tripled his Value ? First thing I say is Wow because Ward is a stud .Next thinking Brasdar is a 14 ?..daaaaaaang that would be a hell of a pitcher for us .14 means 0 though if he’s injured so the whole thing blows up .Good to see MATA that highly regarded though Moon

Ward is far away. The value includes the chance he flames out.

[jad]

You're moralizing on this is disgusting. You're accusing a kid of rape that nobody else, including the alleged victim or police, has.

 

All because you don't like a trade.

 

Get a f***ing grip.

 

Actually, the reason I bring it up is because I'm not really a fan of guys who invite 17 year old runaways to their hotel rooms and do nothing (except maybe hold a video camera) while she is beaten up and sexually assaulted. And as a sports fan, I don't want guys like that on a team I follow. Now maybe you're more concerned with the economics of a baseball trade, and I don't blame you for that. You and I just don't have a whole lot in common.

[harmony]

I'd be asking for Dustin May in return instead. The guy looks more ready to step into an immediate major league role and is the #23 prospect in MLB.

The Dodgers need not offer anything more if Alex Verdugo and Kenta Maeda have passed their physicals. Brusdar Graterol should not be the Dodgers' problem.

[Bellhorn04]

The Dodgers need not offer anything more if Alex Verdugo and Kenta Maeda have passed their physicals. Brusdar Graterol should not be the Dodgers' problem.

 

Of course it's not their problem. It's 100% the Twins' problem.

[Elktonnick]

Of course it's not their problem. It's 100% the Twins' problem.

Of course, it is the Dodgers problem if they want the trade done. To put it another way, it is a problem for the Dodgers, just as it is for Boston and Minnesota.

[mvp 78]

Of course, it is the Dodgers problem if they want the trade done. To put it another way, it is a problem for the Dodgers, just as it is for Boston and Minnesota.

 

Yup, unless the Dodgers are fine not getting Mookie.

[moonslav59]

So, you agree with us.

 

No. I'm saying Price was forced on the Dodgers, so they could get Betts.

 

They would not trade Maeda and his cheap contract for Price at $15M x 3 years.

 

They only did it to get Betts.

 

I'm not saying my projection of what Price is worth is correct, since the FA market is ultimately set by what one GM is willing to pay.

 

IMO, Price is worth about $10-12M a year x 3 years. I'm not sure I'd give even that for him, at his age and with his "miracle arm" hanging by a thread.

 

Maybe $15M x 3 is the going rate, and the Dodgers looked to break even, budgetwise.

 

Word was we'd get Verdugo plus prospects for Betts alone. We forced Price on them. Yes, we paid $16M x 3 to get them to take him, but we apparently went from several prospects added to just the one from MN.

 

It's my take, but I truly believe LA would rather have given us Verdugo & Maeda for Betts than Verdugo & Maeda for Betts, Price $48M.

[moonslav59]

The Dodgers need not offer anything more if Alex Verdugo and Kenta Maeda have passed their physicals. Brusdar Graterol should not be the Dodgers' problem.

 

Why don't we just trade Betts, Price & $48M for Verdugo and Madea?

 

We need a 5th starter.

 

His deal is cheap.

[moonslav59]

The trade value site has Price listed at a -55.3 value. If you subtract that from the $96M he is owed, his actual value is about $41M. Divide that by 3 and he's worth about $13.6M a year. That's about right between what I think he's worth and what the Dodgers end up paying him.

 

(Not that this site is accurate.)

[harmony]

Why don't we just trade Betts, Price & $48M for Verdugo and Madea?

 

We need a 5th starter.

 

His deal is cheap.

That's a possibility although the Red Sox would have less payroll flexibility if Kenta Maeda meets his salary incentives.

[moonslav59]

That's a possibility although the Red Sox would have less payroll flexibility if Kenta Maeda meets his salary incentives.

 

His AVV is an extremely low $3.15M x 4 years!

 

These are his bonus targets:

annual roster bonus: $150,000 for making Opening Day roster

$6.5M annually in performance bonuses based on games started: $1M each 15, 20 GS. $1.5M each for 25, 30, 32 GS

$3.5M annually in performance bonuses based on innings pitched: $250,000 each for 90, 100, 110, 120, 130, 140, 150, 160, 170, 180, 190 IP. $750,000 200 I

 

He could maybe make $4-7M more a year. We'd still be way below the tax line. He's a steal, budget-wise, but not really a workhorse type.

[Swiharts Ghost]

Ward is far away. The value includes the chance he flames out.

 

He’s my favorite minor league pitcher since John Lester .Ward is special .

[Swiharts Ghost]

His AVV is an extremely low $3.15M x 4 years!

 

These are his bonus targets:

annual roster bonus: $150,000 for making Opening Day roster

$6.5M annually in performance bonuses based on games started: $1M each 15, 20 GS. $1.5M each for 25, 30, 32 GS

$3.5M annually in performance bonuses based on innings pitched: $250,000 each for 90, 100, 110, 120, 130, 140, 150, 160, 170, 180, 190 IP. $750,000 200 I

 

He could maybe make $4-7M more a year. We'd still be way below the tax line. He's a steal, budget-wise, but not really a workhorse type.

 

Can you folks take over for Bloom on this ? Nice outside box idea

[harmony]

His AVV is an extremely low $3.15M x 4 years!

 

These are his bonus targets:

annual roster bonus: $150,000 for making Opening Day roster

$6.5M annually in performance bonuses based on games started: $1M each 15, 20 GS. $1.5M each for 25, 30, 32 GS

$3.5M annually in performance bonuses based on innings pitched: $250,000 each for 90, 100, 110, 120, 130, 140, 150, 160, 170, 180, 190 IP. $750,000 200 I

 

He could maybe make $4-7M more a year. We'd still be way below the tax line. He's a steal, budget-wise, but not really a workhorse type.

With incentives, last season Kenta Maeda earned $8.525 million in 153.2 innings over 37 appearances, including 26 starts:

 

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/12Fdcz-v1dHv7WUA6N73JhLNL7cZ-JCaUSRyh8LQvG7A/edit#gid=1570933962

 

https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/m/maedake01.shtml

 

That's about $8 million more than Brudsar Graterol's 2020 salary

[moonslav59]

With incentives, last season Kenta Maeda earned $8.525 million in 153.2 innings over 37 appearances, including 26 starts:

 

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/12Fdcz-v1dHv7WUA6N73JhLNL7cZ-JCaUSRyh8LQvG7A/edit#gid=1570933962

 

https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/m/maedake01.shtml

 

That's about $8 million more than Brudsar Graterol's 2020 salary

 

I'm not sure how he made that much based on what cots has, but assuming he made $8.5M, it is still very affordable and under market value by a long shot.

 

I'd rather have Maeda on his deal than Perez on his.

[jung]

I'm not sure how he made that much based on what cots has, but assuming he made $8.5M, it is still very affordable and under market value by a long shot.

 

I'd rather have Maeda on his deal than Perez on his.

 

So would I.

[mvp 78]

The trade value site has Price listed at a -55.3 value. If you subtract that from the $96M he is owed, his actual value is about $41M. Divide that by 3 and he's worth about $13.6M a year. That's about right between what I think he's worth and what the Dodgers end up paying him.

 

(Not that this site is accurate.)

Not accurate, but you still quote it all the time?

[mvp 78]

Jon Heyman of MLB Network reports that some involved in the Mookie Betts three-way trade believe that the deal is no longer a certainty.

Heyman reports that the Red Sox are trying to reconfigure the deal to acquire more than prospect Brusdar Graterol from the Twins after medical concerns arose over Graterol's medial review. It appears a prospect from either the Dodgers or Twins could head to the Red Sox on top of Graterol, as Boston now believes that he's more of a reliever than a future part of their starting rotation. Heyman reports that there's "still hope" of this blockbuster getting done, but it's far less of the foregone conclusion that it appeared to be on Tuesday night.

[a700hitter]

Jon Heyman of MLB Network reports that some involved in the Mookie Betts three-way trade believe that the deal is no longer a certainty.

Heyman reports that the Red Sox are trying to reconfigure the deal to acquire more than prospect Brusdar Graterol from the Twins after medical concerns arose over Graterol's medial review. It appears a prospect from either the Dodgers or Twins could head to the Red Sox on top of Graterol, as Boston now believes that he's more of a reliever than a future part of their starting rotation. Heyman reports that there's "still hope" of this blockbuster getting done, but it's far less of the foregone conclusion that it appeared to be on Tuesday night.

If it falls apart, they will look pretty foolish and will have to make amends with Mookie if he is going to stay for 2020.

[mvp 78]

Heyman:

 

Red Sox are said to be trying to reconfigure the part of the Betts 3-team deal with the Twins (meaning more than Graterol). While there’s still hope the mega deal gets done in some form, some involved are now suggesting it’s not a certainty

[Bellhorn04]

It seems highly unlikely that a deal of this magnitude would completely fall apart because of Grater-All's issues, which were not entirely unknown to start with.

[mvp 78]

I’d appreciate if they traded for guys with easier to spell names.

[Elktonnick]

Heyman:

 

Red Sox are said to be trying to reconfigure the part of the Betts 3-team deal with the Twins (meaning more than Graterol). While there’s still hope the mega deal gets done in some form, some involved are now suggesting it’s not a certainty

 

Let me make it clear, I think this a bad deal mainly because the Sox are essentially giving up on 2020. I however wouldn't object to the deal if it were in July and if at that time Boston were no longer in contention. I hope the deal collapses and Bloom et al regroup and at least give this team a chance to be competitive in 2020.

[Jasonbay44]

If I had to guess, this is the Red Sox trying to use this as leverage and either demanding: 1. Dodgers pay more of Price contract. 2. Dodgers include another prospect. I still think deal happens.

[mvp 78]

You can’t regroup now. Trainwreck.