Bloom move your asssssss

[Bellhorn04]

And I don't buy that they're going to trade Betts. Not after all the statements about the priority of being competitive.

 

Right now the ticket buyers are merely restless. Trading Betts at this point would make them irate.

[moonslav59]

If the “goal” is a mandate then the easiest fix Is to move Betts for the best return. That return needs to include a cheap major league OFer, doesn’t have to be good if the rest of the package is sufficient

 

The "easiest deal" to get us under might be to trade Price and not demand prospects in return.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

"Mu guess would be it simply is not worth it to deal Price and Bloom has to deal Mookie..."

 

Mine is that Bloom -- in the best interests of both edifice and edification -- is waiting out the few teams who really covet Betts until one finally caves and gives up the farm. Literally...

 

Lupica on MLB.com just wrote that the Dodgers could be one of those clubs, feeling the pressure to make a blockbuster that can put them over the top. This is where Mookie's immediate value applies to the needs of the now, future be damned.

 

Mookie Betts is certainly not getting dealt for some of the pennies-on-the-dollar proposals we've seen all over the internet the past two months. Sorry, Pederson and Pollock; MLB-ready prospect haul, come on over...

 

I predict when a Betts trade finally occurs, the trade simulator may short-circuit like Will Robinson's robot from Lost In Space.

[notin]

The "easiest deal" to get us under might be to trade Price and not demand prospects in return.

 

 

Does anyone else want to pay Price $96mill over 3 years?

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

If the “goal” is a mandate then the easiest fix Is to move Betts for the best return. That return needs to include a cheap major league OFer, doesn’t have to be good if the rest of the package is sufficient

 

I agree, Jax. The return for Mookie Betts doesn't have to be good; it has to be great... especially if you're the new GM for one of the MLB's marquee franchises.

[moonslav59]

Is this trade possible?

 

Eovaldi, Chavis & Duran

 

for

 

Brandon Belt, Yaz, Dubon & Aramis Garcia

 

With Yaz on the team, we can look to trade JBJ (or Betts).

 

We fill the 1B and 2B holes, too.

 

We cut some lux tax salary.

[notin]

"Mu guess would be it simply is not worth it to deal Price and Bloom has to deal Mookie..."

 

Mine is that Bloom -- in the best interests of both edifice and edification -- is waiting out the few teams who really covet Betts until one finally caves and gives up the farm. Literally...

 

Lupica on MLB.com just wrote that the Dodgers could be one of those clubs, feeling the pressure to make a blockbuster that can put them over the top. This is where Mookie's immediate value applies to the needs of the now, future be damned.

 

Mookie Betts is certainly not getting dealt for some of the pennies-on-the-dollar proposals we've seen all over the internet the past two months. Sorry, Pederson and Pollock; MLB-ready prospect haul, come on over...

 

I predict when a Betts trade finally occurs, the trade simulator may short-circuit like Will Robinson's robot from Lost In Space.

 

Wouldn’t be the first time. The Urias-Davies trade earlier this off-season was about as off as they’ve had...

[moonslav59]

Does anyone else want to pay Price $96mill over 3 years?

 

Of course not.

 

If we need to cut $18M, we just have to find someone to play him $54M/3, or less, if we also trade JBJ.

[moonslav59]

My guess is one of these two things happen:

 

1) Betts & Price to LAD for Pollock and _______ (Maybe with Kelly, if they want to lessen the financial hit.)

 

2) Price for Myers with maybe other pieces involved.

[Swiharts Ghost]

My guess is one of these two things happen:

 

1) Betts & Price to LAD for Pollock and _______ (Maybe with Kelly, if they want to lessen the financial hit.)

 

2) Price for Myers with maybe other pieces involved.

 

Moon I consider you like an OG here man ....but I have to tell you I’m worried about you bud .No worries though the Ghost is here to help .Take one chill pill on the trades have a shot of Jack and repeat until Bloom moves HIS LAZY Puss filled ASSSS !!

[a700hitter]

Unfortunately - and I like an active off-season, too - it looks like he is trying to do the "Win while spending less" strategy. That means that he has to unload saalry and either 1) get rid of a big chunk of money while getting nothing back or 2) unload high saalries and get a decent prospect or two. So far, Bloom is reportedly trying option 2 with David Price, but no one wants Price. Not even under option 1. And that is a big reason he has not done much. MLBTR reported he had to bow out of the Travis Shaw negotiations because they were too pricey at $4mill. $4mill!??!?!?!

 

Mu guess would be it simply is not worth it to deal Price and Bloom has to deal Mookie...

Unfortunately, we are just guessing. All we know is that he hasn't begun to execute any plan as the calendar turns to 2020.

 

As for Betts getting traded, that would be a tough swallow for him as he has made repeated statements that the Red Sox will make every effort to keep Betts long term. I don't see it happening.

[a700hitter]

They were. But then so were the Dodger-Lindor rumors...

At least with the Lindor ruling, the Dodger fans had a targeted player to be acquired. The rumors about Price didn't contemplate us getting any talent in return except possibly a broken down Wil Myers. Isn't Allen Craig available?

[notin]

At least with the Lindor ruling, the Dodger fans had a targeted player to be acquired. The rumors about Price didn't contemplate us getting any talent in return except possibly a broken down Wil Myers. Isn't Allen Craig available?

 

 

Yeah but it’s a different perspective. They’re buying. We’re dumping/selling...

[a700hitter]

Yeah but it’s a different perspective. They’re buying. We’re dumping/selling...

The rumor re Price didn't even ballpark the salary relief. That is not even a rumored a plan.

[notin]

The rumor re Price didn't even ballpark the salary relief. That is not even a rumored a plan.

 

 

Sure, removing salary in order to get under the luxury tax limit is beyond a rumor at this point. It’s a goal, not a mandate, except that it was apparently a mandate.

 

I would agree dealing Price in the end won’t do much to this goal...

[cp176]

Sure, removing salary in order to get under the luxury tax limit is beyond a rumor at this point. It’s a goal, not a mandate, except that it was apparently a mandate.

 

I would agree dealing Price in the end won’t do much to this goal...

 

 

If your statement is absolutely correct and that getting under the luxury tax limit has become the primary focus of this management group and not attempting to first put a competetive team on the field for 2020, they will lose fans. You likely think that a statement like this indicates that I want to spend more of Henry's money - that would be incorrect. I simply do not want to see any trade that is a ridiculous give away of talent such as the likes of many proposed here, to only justify getting below a certain dollar spent limit.

[notin]

If your statement is absolutely correct and that getting under the luxury tax limit has become the primary focus of this management group and not attempting to first put a competetive team on the field for 2020, they will lose fans. You likely think that a statement like this indicates that I want to spend more of Henry's money - that would be incorrect. I simply do not want to see any trade that is a ridiculous give away of talent such as the likes of many proposed here, to only justify getting below a certain dollar spent limit.

 

What any of us want to spend never mattered anyway.

 

But not being able to afford Travis Shaw is not a good sign.

 

They might lose casual fans. But teams that aren’t winning always lose casual fans. If the team wins, they’ll come back...

[cp176]

What any of us want to spend never mattered anyway.

 

But not being able to afford Travis Shaw is not a good sign.

 

They might lose casual fans. But teams that aren’t winning always lose casual fans. If the team wins, they’ll come back...

 

Just saying that maybe they realized that spending much at all for Travis Shaw wasn't in the team's best interests.

Losing casual fans, as you like to call them, in any size quantity at all will hurt significantly. No one really likes to be called a casual fan I'm guessing but I don't know what the definition of a real fan as opposed to a casual fan might be. Do you think that the staggering number of "fans" posting here are representative of real fans - the folks who watch, listen, breathe, sleep Red Sox never missing an inning are the real fans of the team? I think that likely there are a huge number of fans like me kicking around who continue to want to see this year's team be in the hunt as opposed to setting a primary goal of getting below the luxury tax limit enabling us to be competitive in a guessing game future.

[mvp 78]

Just saying that maybe they realized that spending much at all for Travis Shaw wasn't in the team's best interests.

 

I tend to agree with this. Maybe to the Sox Shaw isn't worth 4M? He was a -19.7 oWAR guy last year.

[jacksonianmarch]

He had a 7.1 WAR mark the previous two years with 63 homers, so my bet is on a rebound. He’s not old and most of his 2019 production, or lack thereof, was due to an abhorrent start that he couldn’t shake. He’s a bargain at $4 mil

[mvp 78]

He had a 7.1 WAR mark the previous two years with 63 homers, so my bet is on a rebound. He’s not old and most of his 2019 production, or lack thereof, was due to an abhorrent start that he couldn’t shake. He’s a bargain at $4 mil

 

Through 5/31: OPS 537

After 5/31: OPS 557

 

It wasn't just a bad start. He stunk all year. Career high K rate and low ISO. Maybe pitchers have just figured him out? It's not like he had a great track record prior to 2017. It's more likely that he was just a flash in the pan IMO.

[jacksonianmarch]

At $4mil, you take that risk

[notin]

I tend to agree with this. Maybe to the Sox Shaw isn't worth 4M? He was a -19.7 oWAR guy last year.

 

 

One bad year. He was a good bounce back candidate.

 

I don’t mind missing out on Shaw as much as I mind learning he was too expensive...

[mvp 78]

One bad year. He was a good bounce back candidate.

 

I don’t mind missing out on Shaw as much as I mind learning he was too expensive...

 

Again, it's not that $4M is too expensive, it's that $4M is too expensive for Shaw. They gave Peraza 2.8 and Perez 6.5.

[jacksonianmarch]

They gave $2.8 mil to the 26th man in Peraza. His upside is rather s*****. Shaw’s upside is middle of the order wrecking ball

[mvp 78]

They gave $2.8 mil to the 26th man in Peraza. His upside is rather s*****. Shaw’s upside is middle of the order wrecking ball

 

Peraza's upside is that he can play all over the place if there's an injury. He sees to be solid every other year so he's probably due in 2020. Not sure that Shaw could back up CF or SS.

[cp176]

Again, it's not that $4M is too expensive, it's that $4M is too expensive for Shaw. They gave Peraza 2.8 and Perez 6.5.

 

I just don't think that they wanted to pay the 4M for the guy. I'm going to stick with the concept that if they had really wanted him and saw a primary need for him, he would be in a Sox uni this year. In particular, them not signing him tells me 0 about what their budget thoughts might or might not be.

[Bellhorn04]

I just don't think that they wanted to pay the 4M for the guy. I'm going to stick with the concept that if they had really wanted him and saw a primary need for him, he would be in a Sox uni this year. In particular, them not signing him tells me 0 about what their budget thoughts might or might not be.

 

The Sox front office has done a masterful job telling us 0 about their real thoughts to this point.

[Jack Flap]

The Sox front office has done a masterful job telling us 0 about their real thoughts to this point.

 

The current cabal seems to like to play things close to the vest (recall that there was virtual silence on the Dombrowski replacement search right up until the Bloom hiring was a done deal), which is why I think it would be a mistake to interpret the near complete absence of public rumors so far as evidence that they aren't working on anything or don't have a plan.

[Bellhorn04]

The current cabal seems to like to play things close to the vest (recall that there was virtual silence on the Dombrowski replacement search right up until the Bloom hiring was a done deal), which is why I think it would be a mistake to interpret the near complete absence of public rumors so far as evidence that they aren't working on anything or don't have a plan.

 

Yeah, I'm sure they had a plan. But maybe they didn't plan on the relative lack of interest of other teams in giving up much for Price & Bradley.

 

The bottom line is I have to jabber about something while waiting.