Bloom move your asssssss

[mvp 78]

We are talking about the average salary of around 1000 ballplayers. The number high salaried players is more than offset by the younger players making major League teams every year.

The Union is upset by the fact that a few high salaried players are sucking up all the money. I do not think your opinion would calm their concerns. In any case this is not my opinion but rather what Union reps are telling Baseball writers.

 

Nah, the Union is more concerned that owners are making more money than ever and the teams are worth more than ever, but salaries are stagnant. I think they are happy for the upper echelon, just want to fix the issues with younger players being drastically underpaid and having their playing time reduced so that a team can hold onto the player's rights longer.

[mvp 78]

That's the grand question, isn't it?

 

Because John Henry is a toddler in a suit throwing a tantrum because they didn't make the playoffs last year.

[Bellhorn04]

Guys, we just won 108 games. Time to blow it up!

 

I remember all those great posts of yours about that last offseason. You were right!

 

I mis-read your post. I thought you were asking if we need one in January 2020.

[Elktonnick]

Nah, the Union is more concerned that owners are making more money than ever and the teams are worth more than ever, but salaries are stagnant. I think they are happy for the upper echelon, just want to fix the issues with younger players being drastically underpaid and having their playing time reduced so that a team can hold onto the player's rights longer.

That is another way of saying the same thing.

[Bellhorn04]

I think when push comes to shove, MLB players know they have it pretty damn good compared to other pro athletes, regardless of the PR rhetoric.

[Elktonnick]

I think when push comes to shove, MLB players know they have it pretty damn good compared to other pro athletes, regardless of the PR rhetoric.

 

One would hope. But to paraphrase HL Mencken "No one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence....." I will let you fill in the rest.

[S5Dewey]

It has declined marginally.

 

2017 4.45

2018 4.41

2019 4.38

 

I'll bet anything it's higher in 2020 than in 2019.

 

The highest contract for a pitcher just went from 217 mill to 324 mill.

 

And look at the arb raises Mookie and E-Rod are expected to get.

 

The younger players thing is being offset a lot by the higher arb salaries.

 

If I'm a player I'm more interested in the median salary than the average salary. The base is set but the top isn't. If the average salary goes up but the median salary doesn't it means that the rich are getting richer at the expense of the other players.

[mvp 78]

I mis-read your post. I thought you were asking if we need one in January 2020.

 

Do you think we needed one in 2019? Should we have cut salary then? How would you have sold that to the fans? Would you have told DD not to resign Sale and Eovaldi?

[mvp 78]

That is another way of saying the same thing.

 

Nope.

[cp176]

Fencesitters of the world, unite and take over.

 

Well how about we go with this one - all things that have been suggested - We trade Price, Eovaldi, Betts, and Martinez for Marty Mcknocsnotz and two of his buddies. We (including JH) will be all set up for the future as long as we pick all of the right draft choices (we know how well they all work out). In the mean time we can go with every journeyman pro that is out there because clearly if you throw enough s*** at the wall something is bound to stick. On second thought - we have no chance - the future is hopeless - damn Dombrowski! I can swing that way to.

[Elktonnick]

Nope.

 

yup!

[Elktonnick]

Here is something else to chew on:

 

"Major-league attendance fell 1.6 percent this season, the fourth straight year of decline. Clark and the union remain concerned about teams that, in their perception, are not trying hard enough to win.

“After another year of declining attendance, it seems odd that several clubs rushed to announce that they plan to sit out the free-agent market before the first pitch of the postseason had even been thrown,” Clark said.

“The Hot Stove season has traditionally been about ticket sales and fan engagement. Yet several clubs are laying the groundwork for more of the same, even as franchise values skyrocket and central revenues continue to increase. These blanket proclamations send precisely the wrong message to fans, and undermine the competitive landscape that fuels interest in the game from day one of spring training through the final game of the World Series.”

 

Ken Rosenthal The Athletic October 4, 2019

[Bellhorn04]

Do you think we needed one in 2019? Should we have cut salary then? How would you have sold that to the fans? Would you have told DD not to resign Sale and Eovaldi?

 

No, I was riding the gravy train like everyone else.

 

I don't think DD did a bad job, personally. But I still like the move to Bloom at this point.

[Bellhorn04]

Here is something else to chew on:

 

"Major-league attendance fell 1.6 percent this season, the fourth straight year of decline. Clark and the union remain concerned about teams that, in their perception, are not trying hard enough to win.

“After another year of declining attendance, it seems odd that several clubs rushed to announce that they plan to sit out the free-agent market before the first pitch of the postseason had even been thrown,” Clark said.

“The Hot Stove season has traditionally been about ticket sales and fan engagement. Yet several clubs are laying the groundwork for more of the same, even as franchise values skyrocket and central revenues continue to increase. These blanket proclamations send precisely the wrong message to fans, and undermine the competitive landscape that fuels interest in the game from day one of spring training through the final game of the World Series.”

 

Ken Rosenthal The Athletic October 4, 2019

 

What does Tony Clark propose to do about teams that elect to tank? Does he have any good ideas or just negative rhetoric?

[Elktonnick]

What does Tony Clark propose to do about teams that elect to tank? Does he have any good ideas or just negative rhetoric?

Take Clark's comments for what they are a union chief firing a shot across management's bow in advance of upcoming labor negotiations.

 

One idea the union will probably float is a minimum payroll floor to accompany any continuation of the Lux Tax. That idea has been floated among baseball writers as one possible union proposal.

 

Remember Clark's comments are not directed just at owners but fans and players as well. The process for the union to come up with a unified proposal could be complicated because the union itself has different interest groups which have to be heard before the union develops its formal position.

[notin]

Do you think we needed one in 2019? Should we have cut salary then? How would you have sold that to the fans? Would you have told DD not to resign Sale and Eovaldi?

 

 

Eovaldi, definitely.

 

I had no passion on Sale one way or the other at the time of his re-signing...

[harmony]

What does Tony Clark propose to do about teams that elect to tank? Does he have any good ideas or just negative rhetoric?

Teams are unlikely to tank in the sense of manuevering for higher draft picks (which do not carry the weight the picks do in the NBA or NFL).

 

Some teams have the vision to look beyond the next season. Their goal is to win at some point in the future even if that means competitiveness is postponed for a year or two.

 

In a world of immediate gratification, that strategy does not play well with some fans.

[Elktonnick]

Teams are unlikely to tank in the sense of manuevering for higher draft picks (which do not carry the weight the picks do in the NBA or NFL).

 

Some teams have the vision to look beyond the next season. Their goal is to win at some point in the future even if that means competitiveness is postponed for a year or two.

 

In a world of immediate gratification, that strategy does not play well with some fans.

There are fans in Baltimore who firmly believe that Peter Angelis never intended to win. Under his ownership the once proud Orioles have fallen considerably.

[harmony]

There are fans in Baltimore who firmly believe that Peter Angelis never intended to win. Under his ownership the once proud Orioles have fallen considerably.

Even so the Orioles have one division title and three postseason appearances in the past decade (only one postseason appearance fewer than the Red Sox over that period).

[mvp 78]

yup!

 

Nah.

[mvp 78]

No, I was riding the gravy train like everyone else.

 

I don't think DD did a bad job, personally. But I still like the move to Bloom at this point.

 

I agree.

[mvp 78]

Even so the Orioles have one division title and three postseason appearances in the past decade (only one postseason appearance fewer than the Red Sox over that period).

 

Now do since 1999.

[moonslav59]

What does Tony Clark propose to do about teams that elect to tank? Does he have any good ideas or just negative rhetoric?

 

They should insist on a minimum team budget to go along with the lux tax line.

 

Making that low line higher would be better than trying to raise the lux tax line.

 

I'd suggest this:

 

Double the minimum pay. Raise it to triple by then end of the contract.

 

Create a minimum player budget at $75M and raise it $2M a year.

 

Raise the lux tax line $2M a year. Keep the current taxes and min/max lines.

 

Do away with the penalties for signing a QO refusal FA, but give the team losing those players a comp pick.

 

Start arbs two year earlier and end them one year earlier. (Players reach free agency 1 year earlier and have 1 more arb year.)

 

 

 

[harmony]

Now do since 1999.

And Yankee fans would prefer 1995.

 

Or 1923.

[Elktonnick]

Nah.

 

Si!

[harmony]

On the 100th anniversary of this deal, we can say some moves don't work out:

 

https://www.masslive.com/redsox/2019/12/babe-ruth-was-sold-by-red-sox-to-yankees-100-years-ago-this-day.html

[Swiharts Ghost]

This guy Bloom Suuuuuuuuuuuuucks ass .I have a bad feeling about this clown .

[mvp 78]

And Yankee fans would prefer 1995.

 

Or 1923.

 

You handpicked 10 years, I went 20.

[moonslav59]

And Yankee fans would prefer 1995.

 

Or 1923.

 

What year does Seattle prefer?

[harmony]

What year does Seattle prefer?

2022