FIRE DANA LEVANGIE or say he's retiring NOW !!!!!

[Kimmi]

Bring Farrell back- as the pitching coach.

 

I would love Farrell back as pitching coach. IMO, that is his true calling.

 

That said, my understanding is that he's looking for another managing position. I'm guessing he would not want to return to the Red Sox either way.

[moonslav59]

I would love Farrell back as pitching coach. IMO, that is his true calling.

 

That said, my understanding is that he's looking for another managing position. I'm guessing he would not want to return to the Red Sox either way.

 

True.

[Elktonnick]

True.

 

I believe Farrell's name has come up in respect to one of the managerial openings. I suspect Farrell would hardly be interested in a pitching coaches job while there is a possibility of being a manager again.

[notin]

I would love Farrell back as pitching coach. IMO, that is his true calling.

 

That said, my understanding is that he's looking for another managing position. I'm guessing he would not want to return to the Red Sox either way.

 

No one wants to return to the team/company/organization/whatever that fired them in a lower capacity. No one...

[moonslav59]

No one wants to return to the team/company/organization/whatever that fired them in a lower capacity. No one...

 

Of course.

[Kimmi]

No one wants to return to the team/company/organization/whatever that fired them in a lower capacity. No one...

 

I can't disagree with that.

[Carpin]

He was just fired

[Bellhorn04]

Guy has been a disaster .

 

You have your blood now.

[Elktonnick]

You have your blood now.

 

LaVangie was moved out but he was given another job in the organization just as I hoped and indicated would likely be the case in a previous post. While Brian Bannister the ass't pitching coach who reportedly opposed the Spring Training approach to pitching was given the job of VP for pitching development in the minor leagues. Sounds like he got promoted to me. Cora may still be the manager but it looks like the FO hasn't given him a ringing endorsement on the way he handled pitching this past year. At least that is the way it looks to me from my point of view.

[Bellhorn04]

LaVangie was moved out but he was given another job in the organization just as I hoped and indicated would likely be the case in a previous post. While Brian Bannister the ass't pitching coach who reportedly opposed the Spring Training approach to pitching was given the job of VP for pitching development in the minor leagues. Sounds like he got promoted to me. Cora may still be the manager but it looks like the FO hasn't given him a ringing endorsement on the way he handled pitching this past year. At least that is the way it looks to me from my point of view.

 

It's not uncommon for managers to stay on while pitching coaches and hitting coaches get fired. So much specialization and compartmentalization now.

[notin]

It's not uncommon for managers to stay on while pitching coaches and hitting coaches get fired. So much specialization and compartmentalization now.

 

And given that many other teams have already fired manager and the Angels seem prepared to make an offer to Joe Maddon, the Sox probably would have axed Cora already and started the process before all the candidates get other jobs...

[Elktonnick]

It's not uncommon for managers to stay on while pitching coaches and hitting coaches get fired. So much specialization and compartmentalization now.

 

Cora is supposedly the one who wanted LaVangie as his pitching coach. Cora actively supported LaVangie's approach. No matter how once spins it this has to be seen as a FO rebuke towards Cora approach toward pitching in 2019.

[Elktonnick]

And given that many other teams have already fired manager and the Angels seem prepared to make an offer to Joe Maddon, the Sox probably would have axed Cora already and started the process before all the candidates get other jobs...

 

First things first. Sox fired their Chief of Baseball Ops. Firing both DD and Cora and the entire coaching staff may just have been seen as a bridge too far.

[Bellhorn04]

First things first. Sox fired their Chief of Baseball Ops. Firing both DD and Cora and the entire coaching staff may just have been seen as a bridge too far.

 

Yes, I think it's safe to say it would have been seen as wholesale panic.

[jad]

No one wants to return to the team/company/organization/whatever that fired them in a lower capacity. No one...

 

Well now, let me think about that. If my g-f, whom I wanted as a life-partner, were to dump me, I don't think I'd mind coming back as her 'bit on the side'.

[moonslav59]

First things first. Sox fired their Chief of Baseball Ops. Firing both DD and Cora and the entire coaching staff may just have been seen as a bridge too far.

 

I doubt that's the reason they did not fire Cora, and besides, who knows what the next GM might want?

[Swiharts Ghost]

I doubt that's the reason they did not fire Cora, and besides, who knows what the next GM might want?

 

This .The new Gm May want his own scouts in order to accept this job .No offense but giving a cushion to land on for Levangie in an area we must have competent people for is backasswords .Gm should have total autonomy.

[Elktonnick]

Who knows why they didn't fire Cora? In any case,transferring LaVangie can not be seen by Cora as anything but a warning shot across his bow. Ignore it at your peril.

[illinoisredsox]

This .The new Gm May want his own scouts in order to accept this job .No offense but giving a cushion to land on for Levangie in an area we must have competent people for is backasswords .Gm should have total autonomy.

 

He’s had this job before (from 2005-2012). Perhaps that pro scout, which I assume is scouting the minors for potential acquisitions, is something LeVangie is really good at. I have no idea how he performed in that role back then and neither do you. Overall those 8 years were pretty good ones for the Sox.

 

He’s been around the Red Sox organization for over 20 years; he must have done something right. Not being a good pitching coach doesn’t make him inept in other baseball capacities.

[notin]

He’s had this job before (from 2005-2012). Perhaps that pro scout, which I assume is scouting the minors for potential acquisitions, is something LeVangie is really good at. I have no idea how he performed in that role back then and neither do you. Overall those 8 years were pretty good ones for the Sox.

 

He’s been around the Red Sox organization for over 20 years; he must have done something right. Not being a good pitching coach doesn’t make him inept in other baseball capacities.

 

He was a pro scout in 2005, which is what you defined it as. He then spent 7 seasons as an advanced scout, which meant scouting other major league teams for weaknesses...

[moonslav59]

Who knows why they didn't fire Cora? In any case,transferring LaVangie can not be seen by Cora as anything but a warning shot across his bow. Ignore it at your peril.

 

I don't think it is that way at all.

 

And what does ignore mean? Like, if he pays really close attention, it will help him in some way?

[moonslav59]

This .The new Gm May want his own scouts in order to accept this job .No offense but giving a cushion to land on for Levangie in an area we must have competent people for is backasswords .Gm should have total autonomy.

 

Just because he may not have been all that good at one job doesn't mean he can't be good at another job- one he's done before and was promoted from, I might add.

 

Plus, I thought the whole anti-loyalty thing was becoming a stain on the Sox image. Now, we show a tiny bit of loyalty and BAM!

[Elktonnick]

It means if he doesn't produce results as the Hawk "He gone".

[vegasbob]

I'm not seeing nor looking for the Boston news outlets, but is there any name (as in "Someone in Charge") being attributed to these pre-NewGM moves? It looks more like a house cleaning chore to clear some space for a new GM coming in. Unless Cora announced it as his decision to revamp his coaches, then he should wonder how long his leash is. My only question on AC is how much of the full season fish flopping around represented a group attitude by this overall team that was tolerated by Alex. Clearly he could not change the momentum by himself.

 

The effective absence of Sale, Price, Eovaldi , especially in the second half precluded any serious run by this team, no matter who was managing. Absent those guys, a one game WC chance would have been about as bad as finishing third was. To me the real question for anyone coming in or remaining is how will they deal with an ineffective Sale/Price/EO next Spring and into April, if that becomes evident. Prior to ST, they will all be poster biys for Men's Health magazine, but it may not be a true assessment.

[Swiharts Ghost]

I'm not seeing nor looking for the Boston news outlets, but is there any name (as in "Someone in Charge") being attributed to these pre-NewGM moves? It looks more like a house cleaning chore to clear some space for a new GM coming in. Unless Cora announced it as his decision to revamp his coaches, then he should wonder how long his leash is. My only question on AC is how much of the full season fish flopping around represented a group attitude by this overall team that was tolerated by Alex. Clearly he could not change the momentum by himself.

 

The effective absence of Sale, Price, Eovaldi , especially in the second half precluded any serious run by this team, no matter who was managing. Absent those guys, a one game WC chance would have been about as bad as finishing third was. To me the real question for anyone coming in or remaining is how will they deal with an ineffective Sale/Price/EO next Spring and into April, if that becomes evident. Prior to ST, they will all be poster biys for Men's Health magazine, but it may not be a true assessment.

 

This team started softer than pop and fresh why ??? Because our manager and GM and Pitching coach decided it was more important to work on ping pong and golf rather than a true spring Training ...they wasted a fantastic year of Vaz ,Devers ,Xander ,Betts and yes JD had a damn good year .Erod was the enomally.Cora is an idiot who screwed the team in 19 .I would give the man until June and if this team comes out flat I’m pulling the cord .

[Elktonnick]

You are more patient than me

[mvp 78]

This team started softer than pop and fresh why ??? Because our manager and GM and Pitching coach decided it was more important to work on ping pong and golf rather than a true spring Training ...they wasted a fantastic year of Vaz ,Devers ,Xander ,Betts and yes JD had a damn good year .Erod was the enomally.Cora is an idiot who screwed the team in 19 .I would give the man until June and if this team comes out flat I’m pulling the cord .

The pitching NEVER came around. That had nothing to do with ST.

[Jack Flap]

I hope and believe that the reason they didn't fire Cora is because they still like him and think he's right for the job. One bad, underperforming year shouldn't necessarily mean you fire everyone and blow up what seemed to be working extremely well as little as a year ago.

 

(I didn't think DD deserved to be fired for this year, either, FWIW, though if it was more over philosophical differences and ownership not seeing him as the right guy for the future, then I can understand it.)

[Bellhorn04]

I hope and believe that the reason they didn't fire Cora is because they still like him and think he's right for the job. One bad, underperforming year shouldn't necessarily mean you fire everyone and blow up what seemed to be working extremely well as little as a year ago.

 

(I didn't think DD deserved to be fired for this year, either, FWIW, though if it was more over philosophical differences and ownership not seeing him as the right guy for the future, then I can understand it.)

 

Agree 100%.

[cp176]

I hope and believe that the reason they didn't fire Cora is because they still like him and think he's right for the job. One bad, underperforming year shouldn't necessarily mean you fire everyone and blow up what seemed to be working extremely well as little as a year ago.

 

(I didn't think DD deserved to be fired for this year, either, FWIW, though if it was more over philosophical differences and ownership not seeing him as the right guy for the future, then I can understand it.)

 

POST OF THE DAY - Oh wait, is it to early in the day? I agree with him so it must be the post of the day! Isn't that how it works?

Even with the sarcastic response, i do like and agree with this post.