FIRE DANA LEVANGIE or say he's retiring NOW !!!!!

[Swiharts Ghost]

Guy has been a disaster .

[vegasbob]

Mostly it's the people he coaches who failed to perform well, with a few notable exceptions like Erod and Workman .

Also Brian Bannister needs to be questioned as to the lack of development in the minor league system. None of the guys brought up this year showed pitching maturity, , command, control and big upside. Some like D Herndez's LH fastball and as soon as it can be located somewhere in the strike zone he could be good.

 

The best that can be said for the young pitchers in 2019 is that they got exposure and experience at the MLB level, so they know better how to approach 2020 ST.

[jacksonianmarch]

You gut the WHOLE development team. DD took the blame, but outside of their top pick every year, he has limited input in the farm. The guys around him failed miserably. They didn't identify nor develop the right talent.

[Bellhorn04]

You gut the WHOLE development team. DD took the blame, but outside of their top pick every year, he has limited input in the farm. The guys around him failed miserably. They didn't identify nor develop the right talent.

 

The pitching was actually not that bad in 2018...

[notin]

The notion that it has to fall on the pitching coach is a little insane. Even the best coach can't turn Matt Young into Cy Young.

 

The Sox had health issues and depth issues. And while a lot of pitchers sucked, it is very possible that they were just not talented pitchers. Maybe this was the best, say, Travis Lakins can pitch...

[Swiharts Ghost]

So they fire the assistant hitting Coach ? Holy s*** this organization is gutless .Hittings the problem ?? What a freaking clown show .

[illinoisredsox]

They aren’t going to get rid of him until they have an idea of who may be available as a replacement. Assistant coaches are a dime a dozen.

 

Also, you are dealing with interim GM types here. The big positions will be decided by whoever gets the permanent job.

 

The season’s been over for 3 days. Relax. If nothing’s been done by January, then start complaining.

[Slasher9]

The pitching was actually not that bad in 2018...

 

this dude is going to be unbearable until the MFY get knocked out of the postseason.

As for Dana...he just looks like a schmuck. sometimes you just need to can someone to can someone. i would fire him today. surely the 4 people in "charge" can make a simple decision like that? Cora has no case to bitch about it after the 20+ game dropoff from last season.

time to make some statements outside of firing DD.....

[TylerD]

Sounds like some want a complete rebuild of this team.

[notin]

this dude is going to be unbearable until the MFY get knocked out of the postseason.

As for Dana...he just looks like a schmuck. sometimes you just need to can someone to can someone. i would fire him today. surely the 4 people in "charge" can make a simple decision like that? Cora has no case to bitch about it after the 20+ game dropoff from last season.

time to make some statements outside of firing DD.....

 

There is a hierarchy in play here.

 

DD was fired. They will bring in or promote a new GM. That GM will make a decision about Cora.

 

If Cora is fired, then the new GM will bring in a new manager.

 

That manager will make a decision about Levangie. As well as all the other coaches.

 

Firing Levangie now is no different than firing him in January. There is no reason to rush for the same of rushing...

[Bellhorn04]

There is a hierarchy in play here.

 

DD was fired. They will bring in or promote a new GM. That GM will make a decision about Cora.

 

I strongly doubt that Cora will be fired no matter who the new head honcho is.

[Elktonnick]

There is a hierarchy in play here.

 

DD was fired. They will bring in or promote a new GM. That GM will make a decision about Cora.

 

If Cora is fired, then the new GM will bring in a new manager.

 

That manager will make a decision about Levangie. As well as all the other coaches.

 

Firing Levangie now is no different than firing him in January. There is no reason to rush for the same of rushing...

 

No one would like to see LaVangie gone more than I. However, LaVangie is a Red Sox lifer. Only 50, he has been with the Red Sox for over 29 years. He may not be as popular with the fans as was Johnny Pesky but with the players and organizational staff he reportedly is. LaVangie has the reputation of someone who has been willing to take the unglamorous crap jobs for the good of the organization over the years. I guess the pitching coachs job was his reward for being a "good soldier" I suspect if Boston does move him out of the pitching coach's job (which is likely in my view) they will find him some other role in the organization just as they did Johnny Pesky who managed the team in 63-64.

[notin]

I strongly doubt that Cora will be fired no matter who the new head honcho is.

 

Very possible.

 

Of course, a "near miss" has become a reason for firing a manager in MLB. Like Girardi and Dusty Baker...

[moonslav59]

I strongly doubt that Cora will be fired no matter who the new head honcho is.

 

Agreed.

 

You just don't fire the best manager a team has ever had willy nilly.

 

 

[notin]

Agreed.

 

You just don't fire the best manager a team has ever had willy nilly.

 

 

 

Tell that to Terry Francona...

[notin]

No one would like to see LaVangie gone more than I. However, LaVangie is a Red Sox lifer. Only 50, he has been with the Red Sox for over 29 years. He may not be as popular with the fans as was Johnny Pesky but with the players and organizational staff he reportedly is. LaVangie has the reputation of someone who has been willing to take the unglamorous crap jobs for the good of the organization over the years. I guess the pitching coachs job was his reward for being a "good soldier" I suspect if Boston does move him out of the pitching coach's job (which is likely in my view) they will find him some other role in the organization just as they did Johnny Pesky who managed the team in 63-64.

 

I'm fine with that. I think far too much blame fell on Levangie anyway. If he winds up managing the Worcester Red Sox or something, that's ok with me...

[Bellhorn04]

Tell that to Terry Francona...

 

Terry was here 8 years though. That's an eternity in Red Sox manager years.

[Swiharts Ghost]

I can’t believe anyone who watched the s*** show of starting pitching can defend that bullpen catchers future with this team .What happened this year ? Was it really the Hitting ? Hellllllll no !! How many times did this clown go out to the mound and on the verrrrrrry next pitch was a rocket double ?? Dana is a fraud he needed to go mid season .Noooiioo way in Hell is this on Dave alone .Wake up open your eyes to the shittiest pitching coach in all of MLB .

[Elktonnick]

I can’t believe anyone who watched the s*** show of starting pitching can defend that bullpen catchers future with this team .What happened this year ? Was it really the Hitting ? Hellllllll no !! How many times did this clown go out to the mound and on the verrrrrrry next pitch was a rocket double ?? Dana is a fraud he needed to go mid season .Noooiioo way in Hell is this on Dave alone .Wake up open your eyes to the shittiest pitching coach in all of MLB .

 

Like I said no one wants LaVangie gone more than I but one has to give some deference to LaVangie's years of service to the club. You don't remember Johnny Pesky's time managing the Red Sox. But Pesky wasn't a very good manager but a great baseball person. I suspect that LaVangie may be misplaced as pitching coach but that's no reason to say that he won't make a valuable addition or contribution elsewhere in the organization.

[Kimmi]

I strongly doubt that Cora will be fired no matter who the new head honcho is.

 

Cora will not be fired.

[Elktonnick]

Cora will not be fired.

 

I think the Sox FO has made it clear that Cora's job is safe at least for one more year. However, given Henry's recent moves I think it is safe to say that how long Cora stays as manager will very much depend on performance. If Boston makes a serious move to dump salary I can not imagine that even Henry would hold him to unrealistic performance goals next year.

[notin]

Terry was here 8 years though. That's an eternity in Red Sox manager years.

 

And the Unquestioned Best Ever...

[illinoisredsox]

I can’t believe anyone who watched the s*** show of starting pitching can defend that bullpen catchers future with this team .What happened this year ? Was it really the Hitting ? Hellllllll no !! How many times did this clown go out to the mound and on the verrrrrrry next pitch was a rocket double ?? Dana is a fraud he needed to go mid season .Noooiioo way in Hell is this on Dave alone .Wake up open your eyes to the shittiest pitching coach in all of MLB .

 

 

All people are saying is there’s no real hurry. The season ended 4 days ago, and it’s pretty much an unwritten rule that teams don’t make these types of announcements during post season play. If nothing is done after the World Series or the situation drags into January, then start complaining.

[Swiharts Ghost]

Phillies fired there pitching ...didn’t wait your proposed “after the World Series BS “ .Levangie must be fired to move on from this season and put a legitimate foot forward .

[Bellhorn04]

Phillies fired there pitching ...didn’t wait your proposed “after the World Series BS “ .Levangie must be fired to move on from this season and put a legitimate foot forward .

 

We haven't got a new GM yet though.

[notin]

Phillies fired there pitching ...didn’t wait your proposed “after the World Series BS “ .Levangie must be fired to move on from this season and put a legitimate foot forward .

 

The Sox aren’t going to just fire people randomly until a new GM is in place. And firing and replacing Levangie isn’t even a guaranteed step forward...

[moonslav59]

Much hiring and firing happens before the WS even begins, let alone by the time it ends.

[Elktonnick]

Much hiring and firing happens before the WS even begins, let alone by the time it ends.

 

I think it will be a question of priorities. Firing an ass't hitting coach isn't as significant as firing the pitching coach. While I think LaVangie will be reassigned within the organization. I am sure that whoever is in charge now or later has some idea of who they would want to replace him if not the individual per se at least the type of philosophy and qualifications that individual should possess. I hope the process of finding and hiring a new pitching coach will not be done in haste. I always thought hiring LaVangie was a hasty move done more to reward a long time loyal employee than for any particular pitching philosophy he may have had.

Edited October 4, 2019 by Elktonnick

[Swiharts Ghost]

My apologies for this over the top thread .I like Dana just think it’s time .Call it retirement to save face but I think he needs to go .Im done posting on Dana until it’s announced .

[moonslav59]

I think it will be a question of priorities. Firing an ass't hitting coach isn't as significant as firing the pitching coach. While I think LaVangie will be reassigned within the organization. I am sure that whoever is in charge now or later has some idea of who they would want to replace him if not the individual per se at least the type of philosophy and qualifications that individual should possess. I hope the process of finding and hiring a new pitching coach will not be done in haste. I always thought hiring LaVangie was a hasty move done more to reward a long time loyal employee than for any particular pitching philosophy he may have had.

 

Bring Farrell back- as the pitching coach.