The GM thread

[a700hitter]

I think the Sox have already quit. They’re not hitting Chris Owings in leadoff because it’s a proven path to success...

It certainly looks like they have quit.

[Jasonbay44]

The off day s*** is ridiculously stupid. We shouldn’t have Sam Travis ever batting cleanup or Chris Owings ever playing period. Looks like DD/Cora are throwing the towel in for the season. Bring on NFL

[FredLynn]

The off day s*** is ridiculously stupid. We shouldn’t have Sam Travis ever batting cleanup or Chris Owings ever playing period. Looks like DD/Cora are throwing the towel in for the season. Bring on NFL

 

Of course they have. They will never admit it, but they can smell the roses (or, in this case, the skunk) as well as we can. It would be far more entertaining to see some of our younger guys in AAA or AA come up and try.

[jacksonianmarch]

Patient name: 2019 Red Sox

Time of death: 5p

Date of death: August 11, 2019

Cause of death: Bullpen arrest

Contributing factor 1: Global pitching staff failure

Contributing factor 2: Farm system failure

Medical Examiner notified.

Case accepted by D. Dombrowski.

Autopsy to be performed

Case# 2019-242

 

 

Splitting a 6 game homestand vs the Royals and Angels when you're staring at a big deficit for the WC is a kill shot. Lack of resources in the offseason to adequately address the pen was phase 1 of the cliff. The question becomes now, where do the sox go from here? Is DD staying? If so, he is gonna get a shot at propping this thing up. If he is gone, then who do they bring in to revive this dead farm system?

 

If they rebuild, you have to replace DD and you gotta deal Mookie. No question. I also throw ERod on that list. I gauge the market for JBJ. If no interest, he gets DFA'd. I absolutely deal JDM. He isn't going to opt out, IMO, as strict DH's don't command as much as they used to and waiting for him to fade offensively will be a losing situation. Deal him while he is still a machine in the box. I include whatever cash amount needed to bring back an impact prospect. I'd also look at the market for Vazquez. He is coming off a career season and has 3 years of control left. He has never hit like this and his stock will never be higher. His return should be big as offensive catchers command a premium. Young, offensive catchers with good defensive chops and 3 years of cheap control would cost a fortune and the market would be vast. Xander wants to be in Boston. I would build around him, Devers, and Beni in the lineup with the hopes that Chavis develops into an impact bat and not the guy he has been the last 3 months. You have to ride Sale, Price and Eovaldi in the rotation because they're being paid far more than they are worth right now. You hope you catch fire with either next season and can deal them when their market heats up. In the pen, you have no choice but to hold onto Barnes as he has torched his value. Workman gets dealt to the highest bidder. He is a FA soon and he has never thrown like this, so I sell high.

 

The key to sustainable winning is to find young, cheap talent in this league. Building around expensive guys with young guys is a good way to eventually get back to the peak. I'd take a look at the analytics Cashman has used to find hitters in the AAAA range who are buried or undervalued. Go out and deal for them and hope you find a Voit or Tauchman. Outside of that, be willing to go for value over proximity in your trades. If you have the opportunity to get a nice AAA prospect and a bunch of s*** for Mookie or a bunch of very talented guys in A ball or lower, go with the latter. As much as you need to replace Mookie, you also need to replace an entire farm system. ERod and Vaz likely bring back the most due to their cheaper cost and their multiple years of control. My stated goal as GM would be 3 seasons. In 3 years, whatever money we paid for JDM is off the books. In 3 years, Eovaldi, Pedroia, and Price are off the books. Only Sale and Xander would be on the roster at big money, outside of the arb costs of guys like Beni and Devers. But in 3 years, if you rebuilt right, the prospects you got in those trades should be ready and the guys you drafted and developed with better picks should be ready too.

[illinoisredsox]

Patient name: 2019 Red Sox

Time of death: 5p

Date of death: August 11, 2019

Cause of death: Bullpen arrest

Contributing factor 1: Global pitching staff failure

Contributing factor 2: Farm system failure

Medical Examiner notified.

Case accepted by D. Dombrowski.

Autopsy to be performed

Case# 2019-242

 

 

Splitting a 6 game homestand vs the Royals and Angels when you're staring at a big deficit for the WC is a kill shot. Lack of resources in the offseason to adequately address the pen was phase 1 of the cliff. The question becomes now, where do the sox go from here? Is DD staying? If so, he is gonna get a shot at propping this thing up. If he is gone, then who do they bring in to revive this dead farm system?

 

If they rebuild, you have to replace DD and you gotta deal Mookie. No question. I also throw ERod on that list. I gauge the market for JBJ. If no interest, he gets DFA'd. I absolutely deal JDM. He isn't going to opt out, IMO, as strict DH's don't command as much as they used to and waiting for him to fade offensively will be a losing situation. Deal him while he is still a machine in the box. I include whatever cash amount needed to bring back an impact prospect. I'd also look at the market for Vazquez. He is coming off a career season and has 3 years of control left. He has never hit like this and his stock will never be higher. His return should be big as offensive catchers command a premium. Young, offensive catchers with good defensive chops and 3 years of cheap control would cost a fortune and the market would be vast. Xander wants to be in Boston. I would build around him, Devers, and Beni in the lineup with the hopes that Chavis develops into an impact bat and not the guy he has been the last 3 months. You have to ride Sale, Price and Eovaldi in the rotation because they're being paid far more than they are worth right now. You hope you catch fire with either next season and can deal them when their market heats up. In the pen, you have no choice but to hold onto Barnes as he has torched his value. Workman gets dealt to the highest bidder. He is a FA soon and he has never thrown like this, so I sell high.

 

The key to sustainable winning is to find young, cheap talent in this league. Building around expensive guys with young guys is a good way to eventually get back to the peak. I'd take a look at the analytics Cashman has used to find hitters in the AAAA range who are buried or undervalued. Go out and deal for them and hope you find a Voit or Tauchman. Outside of that, be willing to go for value over proximity in your trades. If you have the opportunity to get a nice AAA prospect and a bunch of s*** for Mookie or a bunch of very talented guys in A ball or lower, go with the latter. As much as you need to replace Mookie, you also need to replace an entire farm system. ERod and Vaz likely bring back the most due to their cheaper cost and their multiple years of control. My stated goal as GM would be 3 seasons. In 3 years, whatever money we paid for JDM is off the books. In 3 years, Eovaldi, Pedroia, and Price are off the books. Only Sale and Xander would be on the roster at big money, outside of the arb costs of guys like Beni and Devers. But in 3 years, if you rebuilt right, the prospects you got in those trades should be ready and the guys you drafted and developed with better picks should be ready too.

 

Jackson, you’ve been a gracious “loser” over the my time here (“loser” in the sense that your team has finished behind the Sox). You’ve been respectful of the results. You are on your rivals board. Time to be a gracious “winner”.

 

However, you’ve been an ******* as a “winner”. We all know the Sox story this year. You don’t need to make multiple threads and posts rubbing it in.

[illinoisredsox]

Of course they have. They will never admit it, but they can smell the roses (or, in this case, the skunk) as well as we can. It would be far more entertaining to see some of our younger guys in AAA or AA come up and try.

 

 

More will be up in September when the rosters expand. You’re already seeing it with Travis, DHern and Taylor.

[jacksonianmarch]

Jackson, you’ve been a gracious “loser” over the my time here (“loser” in the sense that your team has finished behind the Sox). You’ve been respectful of the results. You are on your rivals board. Time to be a gracious “winner”.

 

However, you’ve been an ******* as a “winner”. We all know the Sox story this year. You don’t need to make multiple threads and posts rubbing it in.

 

IL, cmon now. I have spent the better part of the last 7 years watching the Yanks tear down and rebuild while I watched the sox build 2 title winners. I have been wrong about a lot of things, but the one major thing I have been right about is the cliff. It was as plain as day for me with the numbers lining up and with the farm being decimated. Many on here became either cliff deniers or supporters, but the amount of ridicule I received for starting the theory was pretty significant. Clearly I am happy with the improbable nature of the Yankees success this year. You don't survive this amount of injuries, let alone thrive. But the other thing I have seriously enjoyed was seeing my idea come to fruition, and a year sooner than expected. So yes, I am enjoying the failures of the red sox. I am a Yankee fan, of course I would. But I am enjoying the fact that the reasons for their failures were spelled out in my long post from over 2 years ago which I resurrected recently. Read some of the comments after it to see why I am enjoying this to such a degree.

 

Now, I will throw another one out there. If Henry sticks to his friend DD and props this up for another year, it will fail and the rebuild will take a few years longer. I have proposed the idea of tearing it down. Selling off the useful parts for farm products and making something of the mess that's been 2019 for the sox. Take that idea and tell me if I am wrong or right? I can handle it

[illinoisredsox]

IL, cmon now. I have spent the better part of the last 7 years watching the Yanks tear down and rebuild while I watched the sox build 2 title winners. I have been wrong about a lot of things, but the one major thing I have been right about is the cliff. It was as plain as day for me with the numbers lining up and with the farm being decimated. Many on here became either cliff deniers or supporters, but the amount of ridicule I received for starting the theory was pretty significant. Clearly I am happy with the improbable nature of the Yankees success this year. You don't survive this amount of injuries, let alone thrive. But the other thing I have seriously enjoyed was seeing my idea come to fruition, and a year sooner than expected. So yes, I am enjoying the failures of the red sox. I am a Yankee fan, of course I would. But I am enjoying the fact that the reasons for their failures were spelled out in my long post from over 2 years ago which I resurrected recently. Read some of the comments after it to see why I am enjoying this to such a degree.

 

Now, I will throw another one out there. If Henry sticks to his friend DD and props this up for another year, it will fail and the rebuild will take a few years longer. I have proposed the idea of tearing it down. Selling off the useful parts for farm products and making something of the mess that's been 2019 for the sox. Take that idea and tell me if I am wrong or right? I can handle it

 

No issue with your last 3 paragraphs. They are well thought out. The first one was being an a-hole.

 

BTW, the patient died a week ago with the two sweeps and in reality was brain dead after the Tampa series. So you got that wrong

[moonslav59]

 

BTW, the patient died a week ago with the two sweeps and in reality was brain dead after the Tampa series. So you got that wrong

 

Yes, and the cause of death was the rotation not the pen. The pen was a "contributing factor."

[a700hitter]

Jackson, you’ve been a gracious “loser” over the my time here (“loser” in the sense that your team has finished behind the Sox). You’ve been respectful of the results. You are on your rivals board. Time to be a gracious “winner”.

 

However, you’ve been an ******* as a “winner”. We all know the Sox story this year. You don’t need to make multiple threads and posts rubbing it in.

You clearly don't understand Yankee fans. They are gracious losers and obnoxious winners.

[illinoisredsox]

Yes, and the cause of death was the rotation not the pen. The pen was a "contributing factor."

 

I believe the medical terms would be primary cause of death - rotation and secondary cause of death -bullpen.

[illinoisredsox]

You clearly don't understand Yankee fans. They are gracious losers and obnoxious winners.

 

 

Sure I do. I grew up in southern Connecticut. Just felt like giving Jackson some grief. As he said, he can take it.

[a700hitter]

Sure I do. I grew up in southern Connecticut. Just felt like giving Jackson some grief. As he said, he can take it.

Yep, then you have them pegged.

[jung]

You clearly don't understand Yankee fans. They are gracious losers and obnoxious winners.

 

Worse, the 2019 Yankmees have not even won anything yet and their obnoxious, clueless fans are already gloating.

 

In the first place, anybody who has read my posts here knows how I feel about MLB Division Crowns. You want to use them as barometers of whether your team is improving or declining, fine. Treating them as some sort of accomplishment is absurd. If I were running things at these MLB franchises I would NEVER put a pennant up for a Division Crown. All you are proclaiming proudly to the world is that somebody in your league BEAT YOU that year!

 

So Yankmee fans are gloating over an accomplishment that is not even an accomplishment. Keep your crap on Yankmee boards Yankmee fans. Circle jerk yourselves about "possible" Division Crowns until you don't have any spunk left for all i care....JUST DO IT OVER THERE!

Edited August 12, 2019 by jung

[OH FOY]

Sean McAdam, had a big article yesterday, talking with his contacts. He basically said 2 things that he thinks will happen.

1. DD will be gone.

2. Sox will scale back on spending this winter. They want to get to 190-200 million dollar range. Don't expect big Free Agents, being signed this winter.

Edited August 12, 2019 by OH FOY!

[S5Dewey]

As I may have posted here before, one of my favorite bumper stickers of all times says..

 

It's not the Yankees I hate. It's their obnoxious fans.

 

I'm considering using that as my tag line for the rest of the year.

[Bellhorn04]

As I may have posted here before, one of my favorite bumper stickers of all times says..

 

It's not the Yankees I hate. It's their obnoxious fans.

 

I'm considering using that as my tag line for the rest of the year.

 

I think we have 3 Yankee fans posting here on a regular basis. 2 of them are not obnoxious in the least.

[S5Dewey]

I think we have 3 Yankee fans posting here on a regular basis. 2 of them are not obnoxious in the least.

 

Read it differently. It's their OBNOXIOUS fans.

[OH FOY]

Very good chance the Yanks will win more games then us last 2 years, good thing we did win a WS. Otherwise we would really get razzed.

[Bellhorn04]

Read it differently. It's their OBNOXIOUS fans.

 

Got it.

[Bellhorn04]

Very good chance the Yanks will win more games then us last 2 years, good thing we did win a WS. Otherwise we would really get razzed.

 

It's all about the rings.

[OH FOY]

It's all about the rings.

 

That's our fallback. hahaha. I do it my buddy at work who's Yanks Fan. Razz each other constantly. Problem is he keeps coming back to 27, though. A-Hole.

[Slasher9]

I think we have 3 Yankee fans posting here on a regular basis. 2 of them are not obnoxious in the least.

 

blwhtrican and to some extent carpin remind me of jete from the old site. i would drink a beer with either of them. they have to buy tho.....

[OH FOY]

Jete was the BEST!

[moonslav59]

Very good chance the Yanks will win more games then us last 2 years, good thing we did win a WS. Otherwise we would really get razzed.

 

Why 2 years and not 3 or 4?

[notin]

Sean McAdam, had a big article yesterday, talking with his contacts. He basically said 2 things that he thinks will happen.

1. DD will be gone.

2. Sox will scale back on spending this winter. They want to get to 190-200 million dollar range. Don't expect big Free Agents, being signed this winter.

 

 

I wonder if that budget expectation (reset!) means some are going.

 

Betts and Bradley are easy guesses. But if they are really dialing back, and Price and Sale are tough moves, does that mean Bogaerts is on the block as well?

[S5Dewey]

blwhtrican and to some extent carpin remind me of jete from the old site. i would drink a beer with either of them. they have to buy tho.....

 

I'll drink to that! Jete was even a welcome part of "the fraternity". Jete was probably the best Yankees fan/poster ever. I see he has an account here but I never see him post.

[devildavid]

As I may have posted here before, one of my favorite bumper stickers of all times says..

 

It's not the Yankees I hate. It's their obnoxious fans.

 

I'm considering using that as my tag line for the rest of the year.

 

The Sox have just as many obnoxious fans as the Yankees. Every Sox fan who chants "Yankees suck!" is a strong qualifier.

 

Bottom line, obnoxious is in the eye of the beholder.

[S5Dewey]

I wonder if that budget expectation (reset!) means some are going.

 

Betts and Bradley are easy guesses. But if they are really dialing back, and Price and Sale are tough moves, does that mean Bogaerts is on the block as well?

 

If it happens - and IMO it's still not etched in stone - I can't see Devers and Bogarts being on the block. They along with Beni and Vaz are the players a team gets built around. I don't think JH will relegate the Boston Red Sox to be the Miami Marlins of the past by having a fire sale.

[devildavid]

Sean McAdam, had a big article yesterday, talking with his contacts. He basically said 2 things that he thinks will happen.

1. DD will be gone.

2. Sox will scale back on spending this winter. They want to get to 190-200 million dollar range. Don't expect big Free Agents, being signed this winter.

 

Trade DD for a bullpen arm.