The GM thread

[moonslav59]

I wonder if that budget expectation (reset!) means some are going.

 

Betts and Bradley are easy guesses. But if they are really dialing back, and Price and Sale are tough moves, does that mean Bogaerts is on the block as well?

 

Bogey should not be on the list, since he will still be in prime when the expected rebuild to greatness occurs. Devers and Vaz are keepers, too.

 

Anyone not under team control beyond 1-2 years would be up for trade.

Porcello, Moreland, Pearce and maybe Holt are gone (last year).

Betts. JBJ, Workman & Wright (FAs after 2020). (Some could be brought back for 2021.)

 

FAs after 2021 are close calls: ERod, Barnes & Hembree

 

Anyone under team control but that will be significantly beyond prime in 1-2 years could be up for trade.

Price, JD, Eovaldi and maybe Sale

[jacksonianmarch]

ERod isn’t a close call, IMO. If you think the rebuild takes two years and you have a guy for two years, you should deal him and if you really want him, you could sign him as a FA

[S5Dewey]

The Sox have just as many obnoxious fans as the Yankees. Every Sox fan who chants "Yankees suck!" is a strong qualifier.

 

Bottom line, obnoxious is in the eye of the beholder.

 

I don't have a problem with groups of fans chanting "Red Sox Suck" or "81 years". It's all part of the repartee between the two teams. My issue is with singular fans Yankees fans engaging Red Sox fans (either in person or on a message board) with the intent of ...being obnoxious. They know what they're doing unless they're completely 'tone deaf', and in that case they're just stereotypical Yankees fans.

 

This business of continually pointing out the shortcomings of the Red Sox while in the same paragraph lauding the 'superiority' of the Yankees is exactly what we try to encourage young athletes NOT to do. American Legion baseball has a Pledge that each player is asked to repeat in unison with the other players in the game prior to every playoff game. Two of the points of the pledge are, "I will keep a stout heart in defeat" and "I will keep my pride (under control) in victory".

 

While I confess to being 'old school' I believe that these are lessons that should be taught in sports and should carry forth into our lives. That's not to say that we shouldn't have a little fun with our fandom but we should also know where that line is drawn.

[jacksonianmarch]

I don't have a problem with groups of fans chanting "Red Sox Suck" or "81 years". It's all part of the repartee between the two teams. My issue is with singular fans Yankees fans engaging Red Sox fans (either in person or on a message board) with the intent of ...being obnoxious. They know what they're doing unless they're completely 'tone deaf', and in that case they're just stereotypical Yankees fans.

 

This business of continually pointing out the shortcomings of the Red Sox while in the same paragraph lauding the 'superiority' of the Yankees is exactly what we try to encourage young athletes NOT to do. American Legion baseball has a Pledge that each player is asked to repeat in unison with the other players in the game prior to every playoff game. Two of the points of the pledge are, "I will keep a stout heart in defeat" and "I will keep my pride (under control) in victory".

 

While I confess to being 'old school' I believe that these are lessons that should be taught in sports and should carry forth into our lives. That's not to say that we shouldn't have a little fun with our fandom but we should also know where that line is drawn.

 

Get off your high horse.

[S5Dewey]

Get off your high horse.

 

Did that shoe pinch a little? Specifically, which part of my post do you take exception to?

[OH FOY]

Why 2 years and not 3 or 4?

 

Because we won the WS, with basically the same team. 3 years ago Yanks went further then us, this year we wont make the Play-offs. So without that WS, we would be hurting. So I am glad we won the WS, but without it we would be an epic fail at 240+ million a year, this year.

Edited August 12, 2019 by OH FOY!

[jacksonianmarch]

Because we won the WS, with basically the same team. 3 years ago Yanks went further then us, this year we wont make the Play-offs. So without that WS, we would be hurting.

 

We were in the ALCS in 2017, just two years back

[moonslav59]

ERod isn’t a close call, IMO. If you think the rebuild takes two years and you have a guy for two years, you should deal him and if you really want him, you could sign him as a FA

 

I'm still clinging to the idea that by resetting and spending very large in 2021, we can keep the "rebuild" to one year.

 

I know we cannot expect to rebuild the farm by having just one down year, but we may get a decent draft slot this year and next, plus a little more international pool money to at least begin to get better on the farm, which may start helping beyond 2022.

 

[moonslav59]

Because we won the WS, with basically the same team. 3 years ago Yanks went further then us, this year we wont make the Play-offs. So without that WS, we would be hurting. So I am glad we won the WS, but without it we would be an epic fail at 240+ million a year, this year.

 

Oh, I'm not downplaying the epic fail of 2019.

 

We did win 2 more games than the Yanks in 2017. I don't hold our loss against the Astros in the playoffs, while the Yanks beat the Twins in the WC game and Guardians in the nexxt round against us.

[Slasher9]

Did that shoe pinch a little?

im totally stealing this line and using in real life asap....

[Carpin]

blwhtrican and to some extent carpin remind me of jete from the old site. i would drink a beer with either of them. they have to buy tho.....

 

I was in that other site, in fact the first the first thread "A realistic view...." was created by me, then Moon came and took the idea to a whole different level.

 

BTW, I remember the good old Jete, Harness and the borderline trolls SPC1988 and Babe

Edited August 12, 2019 by Carpin

[S5Dewey]

im totally stealing this line and using in real life asap....

 

Help yourself. I don't have a copyright on it.

[Slasher9]

I was in that other site, in fact the first the first thread "A realistic view...." was created by me, then Moon came and took the idea to a whole different level.

 

BTW, I remember the good old Jete, Harness and the borderline trolls SPC1988 and Babe

 

harness = harmony

what username where you?

the realistic thread is classic. nice job by you.

[Carpin]

I was Carpi, without the "n".

 

English is not my first language (you can tell by my posts), so I didn't post much there, don't post a lot here. I'm more like a reader, I get very good ideas and learn a lot, only post when I think I can add something valuable to the discussion.

 

I started to follow this type of forums to improve my language skills, now I just love to talk about Baseball.

[Slasher9]

 

I started to follow this type of forums to improve my language skills, now I just love to talk about Baseball.

 

post of the day right here.

[Bellhorn04]

harness = harmony

 

No, harmony was hill on the other site, with the Harmon Killebrew avatar.

 

harness was a character indeed. That guy was in pretty bad health IIRC.

[Carpin]

No, harmony was hill on the other site, with the Harmon Killebrew avatar.

 

harness was a character indeed. That guy was in pretty bad health IIRC.

 

I remember that he stopped posting for some serious health conditions related to seizures, the doctor asked him to stay away form a computer screen to reduce the risk. Hope he's ok, health and family comes first

[jacksonianmarch]

I'm still clinging to the idea that by resetting and spending very large in 2021, we can keep the "rebuild" to one year.

 

I know we cannot expect to rebuild the farm by having just one down year, but we may get a decent draft slot this year and next, plus a little more international pool money to at least begin to get better on the farm, which may start helping beyond 2022.

 

 

Any player you draft in 2020 will be entering their first full season of pro ball in 2021. So it isn't like they're going to be making a major impact by then. I just re-read the rules for the IFA. The sox will have $4.75 mil to spend as they are not a competitive balance team and likely will not sign a qualifying offered FA. The IFA rules are slanted to help small market clubs. $4.75 mil for non comp balance teams (large markets), $5.25 mil for teams in comp balance A teams and $5.75 mil for comp balance B teams. A team over the lux tax who signs a qualifying offered FA loses $1 mil off their budget. A team below the cap who signs a QO offered FA forfeits $500K from the cap. You can now trade for up to 60% of your cap, where in years past it was 90%. So the sox are going to be in the same tax pool as they are currently. Any short term teardown would need to hit on every single player acquired and they all need to be in close proximity to the majors. Not impossible, but nearly impossible.

 

I understand the fan in you wanting to hope this is a one year thing. Heck, I did too back in 2013. But you have to realize that any tear down is going to be a multi season process

[notin]

I'll drink to that! Jete was even a welcome part of "the fraternity". Jete was probably the best Yankees fan/poster ever. I see he has an account here but I never see him post.

 

Who was the one from BDC who passed away this past year? He was a good one too. RIP.

 

The three Yankee regulars on this board (Jacko, Carpin, blksomething) aren’t Yankee trolls despite blatantly bleeding pinstripes. I’ll take 50 more of them over one Angry Bird (name subtly hidden, but not really)...

[Slasher9]

No, harmony was hill on the other site, with the Harmon Killebrew avatar.

 

harness was a character indeed. That guy was in pretty bad health IIRC.

 

oh yeah. my bad!

[Bellhorn04]

Who was the one from BDC who passed away this past year? He was a good one too. RIP.

 

Pinstripezac

[Slasher9]

Who was the one from BDC who passed away this past year? He was a good one too. RIP.

 

The three Yankee regulars on this board (Jacko, Carpin, blksomething) aren’t Yankee trolls despite blatantly bleeding pinstripes. I’ll take 50 more of them over one Angry Bird (name subtly hidden, but not really)...

 

pinstripezac. RIP.

[Carpin]

Pinstripezac

 

Didn't know, I remember him, very good poster

[moonslav59]

I was in that other site, in fact the first the first thread "A realistic view...." was created by me, then Moon came and took the idea to a whole different level.

 

BTW, I remember the good old Jete, Harness and the borderline trolls SPC1988 and Babe

 

I joined that "other site" back in 2005 after moving to Mexico City and being away from all Sox talk.

 

I never knew you had something called "Realistic View."

 

Do I owe you any royalties? Some of those threads were epic (10,000+ posts).

[moonslav59]

Any player you draft in 2020 will be entering their first full season of pro ball in 2021. So it isn't like they're going to be making a major impact by then.

 

Yes, that's why I said beyond 2022.

 

I just re-read the rules for the IFA. The sox will have $4.75 mil to spend as they are not a competitive balance team and likely will not sign a qualifying offered FA. The IFA rules are slanted to help small market clubs. $4.75 mil for non comp balance teams (large markets), $5.25 mil for teams in comp balance A teams and $5.75 mil for comp balance B teams. A team over the lux tax who signs a qualifying offered FA loses $1 mil off their budget. A team below the cap who signs a QO offered FA forfeits $500K from the cap. You can now trade for up to 60% of your cap, where in years past it was 90%. So the sox are going to be in the same tax pool as they are currently. Any short term teardown would need to hit on every single player acquired and they all need to be in close proximity to the majors. Not impossible, but nearly impossible.

 

I understand the fan in you wanting to hope this is a one year thing. Heck, I did too back in 2013. But you have to realize that any tear down is going to be a multi season process.

 

We cannot repeat the AGon, CC and Beckett deal that led to a quick turnaround for 2013. I get that, but when you have a team that can and will spend $39.9M over the luxury tax, you don't ever have to have a total "tear down" just like the Yankees have done. (Teams like the Rays and Astros did that. They were real bad & drafted high before they became good.

 

In a sense a true rebuild is never really complete unless you rebuild your farm. I know that will be hard to do with just 2 years of mediocre draft picks (2020 and 2021- after the assumed reset 2020 year that will leave us with a bad to avg, record.)

 

We can keep the core of young players: Bogey, Devers, Vaz and maybe ERod & Barnes.

 

We can hope Sale, Eovaldi and/or Price still have something in the tank in 2021 (not unlikely 1-2 do well).

 

We can reset after 2019 and spend very large in 2021, and if a bunch of stuff goes right, we can be competitive in 2021 AND have a better, but not great, farm.

[Carpin]

Those were really epic (still are), I just did the first post, because I remember some really agitated discussions, tried to lower the tone a bit, some other poster did a new one because it became really loooooong and then several others followed, I just did the first one.

 

bad thing we can't go back to check it out to discuss the lawsuit for royalties lol!!!

[a700hitter]

I think we have 3 Yankee fans posting here on a regular basis. 2 of them are not obnoxious in the least.

Let’s see how the behave of they win it all.

[jacksonianmarch]

Let’s see how the behave of they win it all.

 

I was on here in 09 and you didn’t boot me. Expect the same

[harmony]

But then trading Mookie is effectively punting 2020. It’s a move that makes sense long term, like 2021 and beyond. But since you’re not getting equal value, it means one more year of a high-priced rotation, no title, and a set of birthdays that make the following season less likely.

 

But Bradley isnt Mookie’s equal. Losing Mookie and keeping Bradley doesn’t make for a consolation prize.

 

While I don’t think it’s a great plan, I think DD keeps Mookie and takes his best shot at another title in 2020, and he will find that increasingly difficult if he has to commit $10mill+ to Bradley.

 

The one thing Bradley supporters who want him back have going for them is sometimes DD wants to trade players and sets unrealistic targets, like wanting a controllable major league starting pitcher for AAAA utility player Blake Swihart. It’s possible he pays Bradley $10-11 mill and then tries to deal him, but can’t get the All Star or overall top ten prospect he has in his crosshairs...

Blake Swihart could become available after the Arizona Diamondbacks designated the switch-hitting catcher for assignment:

 

[moonslav59]

Blake Swihart could become available after the Arizona Diamondbacks designated the switch-hitting catcher for assignment:

 

 

So, there goes the "he never got a real chance" argument.