2019 Trade Deadline Thread

[notin]

Now a trade of Benintendi and Shawaryn for Giles, Stroman and Teoscar Hernandez actually comes out spot on equal at 59.50 going each way...

[jacksonianmarch]

There’s zero chance the Jays take that deal

[notin]

There’s zero chance the Jays take that deal

 

One thing no simulator can account for is how much Team A wants the player from Team B.

 

I don’t doubt the equality. I do doubt Toronto’s desire to make that deal.

 

But in my own little fantasy world, DD made it yesterday....

[TylerD]

One thing no simulator can account for is how much Team A wants the player from Team B.

 

I don’t doubt the equality. I do doubt Toronto’s desire to make that deal.

 

But in my own little fantasy world, DD made it yesterday....

 

See, fantasy is good. In my head Cleveland dumped Bieber as they thought he was getting too popular too fast which would lead to his down fall so the Sox got him in a trade for Beni and Thornburg and an extra set of shiny new baseballs

[notin]

There’s zero chance the Jays take that deal

 

A trade of Stroman and Giles for Casas, Duran, Dalbec and Hernandez gives each side exactly 37.50 going each way, is a package more in line with what Toronto would likely want, and bankrupts the Sox farm in a way DD prefers to operate...

[notin]

See, fantasy is good. In my head Cleveland dumped Bieber as they thought he was getting too popular too fast which would lead to his down fall so the Sox got him in a trade for Beni and Thornburg and an extra set of shiny new baseballs

 

You might be thinking of the wrong Bieber...

[jacksonianmarch]

A trade of Stroman and Giles for Casas, Duran, Dalbec and Hernandez gives each side exactly 37.50 going each way, is a package more in line with what Toronto would likely want, and bankrupts the Sox farm in a way DD prefers to operate...

 

I doubt that gets it done either. The extra year of control and the want of the contender is at play here. The Yanks took advantage of the need to break the billy goat curse to get an absurd return for Chapman as a rental. Miller’s return was even better at the time but Miller had another two years of control attached to him. Toronto has almost no need to package the two together unless the return is only attainable with both packaged (ie a mega prospect like Whitley or Tucker). This is why I doubt the Yanks make a move for both because their best prospect is not at that level yet (although 25 isn’t bad for Garcia) and I wonder how much we would part with to a division rival, especially with the arms on the FA market available for cash alone

[moonslav59]

Duffy imakes $15mill this year and is owed $30.75 mill for 2020 and 2021. If the Sox are not adding much salary, Duffy is not an option...

 

Depends if KC agrees to pay a chunk of his salary or takes back some offset salary (Nunez & Pearce) as part of the deal.

 

(I believe we got Tampa to pay part of Eovaldi's deal last year. Tamps of all teams!)

[notin]

I doubt that gets it done either. The extra year of control and the want of the contender is at play here. The Yanks took advantage of the need to break the billy goat curse to get an absurd return for Chapman as a rental. Miller’s return was even better at the time but Miller had another two years of control attached to him. Toronto has almost no need to package the two together unless the return is only attainable with both packaged (ie a mega prospect like Whitley or Tucker). This is why I doubt the Yanks make a move for both because their best prospect is not at that level yet (although 25 isn’t bad for Garcia) and I wonder how much we would part with to a division rival, especially with the arms on the FA market available for cash alone

 

Per that trade simulator, a package of Stroman (26.8) and Giles (10.7) wouldn’t get either Tucker (63.1) or Whitley (48.2) at gunpoint.

 

And that’s not even factoring in how unenthusiastic Houston would be about re-acquiring Ken Giles...

[dgalehouse]

Depends if KC agrees to pay a chunk of his salary or takes back some offset salary (Nunez & Pearce) as part of the deal.

 

(I believe we got Tampa to pay part of Eovaldi's deal last year. Tamps of all teams!)

 

I think the motivation of a team like the Royals in trading Duffy is to save money while acquiring young , cheap , controllable prospects . Taking on Nunez and Pearce would make no sense for them . They might eat some of Duffy's contract if the return was sufficient.

[jacksonianmarch]

Per that trade simulator, a package of Stroman (26.8) and Giles (10.7) wouldn’t get either Tucker (63.1) or Whitley (48.2) at gunpoint.

 

And that’s not even factoring in how unenthusiastic Houston would be about re-acquiring Ken Giles...

 

I was mostly throwing out the reason for packaging, not the location. I do think Stroman to Houston is a distinct possibility. I doubt Giles would be heading there

[moonslav59]

I think the motivation of a team like the Royals in trading Duffy is to save money while acquiring young , cheap , controllable prospects . Taking on Nunez and Pearce would make no sense for them . They might eat some of Duffy's contract if the return was sufficient.

 

Nunez and or Pearce would be throw-ins instead of hard cash. They could take either and play him or trade him or cut him.... or like you said, just give cash and we could trade or DFA one or both.

[jacksonianmarch]

I think the motivation of a team like the Royals in trading Duffy is to save money while acquiring young , cheap , controllable prospects . Taking on Nunez and Pearce would make no sense for them . They might eat some of Duffy's contract if the return was sufficient.

 

The Royals would only get salary relief from Duffy, but I really hope you guys get him. Go for it. His K rates are down, his HR rates up and his xFIP is over 5.3. His FB velo is at the lowest of his career, down 0.9mph off last year and down 2.6mph off his most recent best season in 2016.

[moonslav59]

There are lots of names being mentioned already, and some teams may decide to be sellers in the next few weeks.

 

Even teams like Cleveland were reportedly looking to trade Kluber, Carrasco or Bauer- knowing they had a shot at winning their weak division.

 

Here are just some names I've heard:

 

Scherzer

de Grom

Syndergaard

Kulber

Bumgarner

Bauer & Carrasco

Stroman

M Boyd

John Means

Caleb Smith

Wheeler

Leake

Cashner

Aaron Sanchez

Dylan Bundy

 

I'm sure there are more as of right now, and will be even more added to this list in the next few weeks.

[dgalehouse]

The Royals would only get salary relief from Duffy, but I really hope you guys get him. Go for it. His K rates are down, his HR rates up and his xFIP is over 5.3. His FB velo is at the lowest of his career, down 0.9mph off last year and down 2.6mph off his most recent best season in 2016.

 

I only saw Duffy pitch once this year . He was terrible. I can't evaluate him off of that , but as they say , " Let the buyer beware." The Sox should look elsewhere for pitching.

[jacksonianmarch]

There are lots of names being mentioned already, and some teams may decide to be sellers in the next few weeks.

 

Even teams like Cleveland were reportedly looking to trade Kluber, Carrasco or Bauer- knowing they had a shot at winning their weak division.

 

Here are just some names I've heard:

 

Scherzer

de Grom

Syndergaard

Kulber

Bumgarner

Bauer & Carrasco

Stroman

M Boyd

John Means

Caleb Smith

Wheeler

Leake

Cashner

Aaron Sanchez

Dylan Bundy

 

I'm sure there are more as of right now, and will be even more added to this list in the next few weeks.

 

Scherzer will only be available if the Nats fall out again, and to be honest, I doubt they shop him. I would think they'd shop Strasburg since he can opt out of his deal in the offseason if they fall out of contention

 

The Mets aren't dealing deGrom with their maniac GM in place. He was deGrom's agent previously and then gave him the deal he wanted. I anticipate Brodie is gonna get canned in the offseason and deGrom will be moved

 

Syndergaard is making the rounds right now, but I seriously doubt you deal for him, or anyone does for that matter. His stuff is down and you don't deal guys like him when their stock is down

 

Kluber is recovering from a broken arm. I doubt you see him moved until he is at the top of his game and that wont come this year

 

Bumgarner is moving. His average FB velo is back to his baseline and he is starting to pitch like himself again, but he is a rental and I am reticent to pay the price for 2015 Bumgarner getting 2019 Bumgarner production

 

Bauer may move, but its gonna take a lot of prospects to move him. No way Carlos is moved with leukemia and not being on the mound

 

Stroman should move, although the Jays could wait into the offseason if they wanted to.

 

I doubt Boyd moves. He has a lot more control to him and he is one small step away from becoming an ace. Unless someone overpays, he stays in the Motor City\

 

John Means isn't moving. No rumors to that effect exist and considering the possibility is just dumb

 

Caleb Smith is unlikely to move. He is an older pre arb player, but he's a guy they should build around.

 

Wheeler will be dealt. His stuff is supreme, his execution not so much. He will be an interesting guy to gauge the market on since his production doesn't signal a big return, but his stuff and how he finished last year does

 

Leake was almost moved, but he stinks. Big HR rates in Safeco, no thank you. Plus, he has a big contract

 

Cashner likely has never been hotter. He is definitely moved, but the O's will hold out for a big return

 

Aaron Sanchez has been dreadful and hurt again. He is a candidate for being dealt next deadline if they Jays can prop him up as something more than a guy to dream on

 

Bundy is a weird case too. He doesn't have the big fastball anymore and gives up a ton of bombs. He's a NL guy, IMO, someone who can be a 5th starter

[a700hitter]

Scherzer will only be available if the Nats fall out again, and to be honest, I doubt they shop him. I would think they'd shop Strasburg since he can opt out of his deal in the offseason if they fall out of contention

 

The Mets aren't dealing deGrom with their maniac GM in place. He was deGrom's agent previously and then gave him the deal he wanted. I anticipate Brodie is gonna get canned in the offseason and deGrom will be moved

 

Syndergaard is making the rounds right now, but I seriously doubt you deal for him, or anyone does for that matter. His stuff is down and you don't deal guys like him when their stock is down

 

Kluber is recovering from a broken arm. I doubt you see him moved until he is at the top of his game and that wont come this year

 

Bumgarner is moving. His average FB velo is back to his baseline and he is starting to pitch like himself again, but he is a rental and I am reticent to pay the price for 2015 Bumgarner getting 2019 Bumgarner production

 

Bauer may move, but its gonna take a lot of prospects to move him. No way Carlos is moved with leukemia and not being on the mound

 

Stroman should move, although the Jays could wait into the offseason if they wanted to.

 

I doubt Boyd moves. He has a lot more control to him and he is one small step away from becoming an ace. Unless someone overpays, he stays in the Motor City\

 

John Means isn't moving. No rumors to that effect exist and considering the possibility is just dumb

 

Caleb Smith is unlikely to move. He is an older pre arb player, but he's a guy they should build around.

 

Wheeler will be dealt. His stuff is supreme, his execution not so much. He will be an interesting guy to gauge the market on since his production doesn't signal a big return, but his stuff and how he finished last year does

 

Leake was almost moved, but he stinks. Big HR rates in Safeco, no thank you. Plus, he has a big contract

 

Cashner likely has never been hotter. He is definitely moved, but the O's will hold out for a big return

 

Aaron Sanchez has been dreadful and hurt again. He is a candidate for being dealt next deadline if they Jays can prop him up as something more than a guy to dream on

 

Bundy is a weird case too. He doesn't have the big fastball anymore and gives up a ton of bombs. He's a NL guy, IMO, someone who can be a 5th starter

Good summary. I think you are pretty accurate on this.

[TylerD]

Thornburg released after refusing minor league assignment.

[S5Dewey]

Thornburg released after refusing minor league assignment.

 

Is anyone going to notice?

[Noles_1335]

Should we really being entertaining the idea of adding another lefty to the staff if we do deal for a SP. When has a team had 4 lefties in a rotation, if ever?

[TylerD]

Is anyone going to notice?

 

Lol my thoughts exactly.

[moonslav59]

Is anyone going to notice?

 

Only that we'll have an open roster slot.

[TylerD]

Should we really being entertaining the idea of adding another lefty to the staff if we do deal for a SP. When has a team had 4 lefties in a rotation, if ever?

 

It's definitely excessive and I don't like it if we can help it..... but if it lands a good pitcher I will take what we can get.

[oldtimer]

Should we really being entertaining the idea of adding another lefty to the staff if we do deal for a SP. When has a team had 4 lefties in a rotation, if ever?

 

Can't see giving away top prospects for a short term rental.

[Swiharts Ghost]

We need to sell Porcello NOW !!! Guy is a FA in a few months cash in NOW I'd do same with JDM offer him more money or get some real prospects back .Betts we can sell or Extend this off season but these may be Mookies last games in Boston .Time to bite the bullett and be aware we won a World Series with these men but cash the hell in NOW !!!

[moonslav59]

We need to sell Porcello NOW !!! Guy is a FA in a few months cash in NOW I'd do same with JDM offer him more money or get some real prospects back .Betts we can sell or Extend this off season but these may be Mookies last games in Boston .Time to bite the bullett and be aware we won a World Series with these men but cash the hell in NOW !!!

 

Why now?

 

Porcello just had 3 horrible starts. We have 3 weeks before the deadline. There is no rush to trade anyone. Selling low is foolish.

 

There may be a rush to trade FOR someone.

Edited July 10, 2019 by moonslav59

[Swiharts Ghost]

Why now?

 

Porcello just had 3 horrible starts. We have 3 weeks before the deadline. There is no rush to trade anyone. Selling low is foolish.

 

There may be a rush to trade FOR someone.

 

Because we will be left with nothing ?

[jacksonianmarch]

Porcello has $9 mil left on his contract for this year and is pitching like s***. He isn't going to return anything of value. This is your team, like it or not. Your farm system is mostly gutted. The window is closing. Your only option is to hope Rick can find it and see what this squad plus some minor additions can do

[moonslav59]

Because we will be left with nothing ?

 

We will get nothing for Porcello in trade. He's owed about $9M.

 

I guess, if you've totally given up on the reigning champs, trading JD makes some sense, but my guess is he comes back next year.

[S5Dewey]

Porcello has $9 mil left on his contract for this year and is pitching like s***. He isn't going to return anything of value. This is your team, like it or not. Your farm system is mostly gutted. The window is closing. Your only option is to hope Rick can find it and see what this squad plus some minor additions can do

 

As little as I like agreeing with Jax I have to do it. This is what we've got and JH's apparent salary limitations mean that the only thing we can hope for is a tweak.

 

However, as to the window, we knew it was there. Unfortunately it may have closed a year or two earlier than we'd hoped for but as they say, FLAGS FLY FOREVER, BABY!!