25 Man Roster-- How will it change?

[vegasbob]

As previously noted, the Sox 25 man roster has featured 37 players to date, with everyone coming from the existing organization . The 13 man pitching staff ( now with significant injuries among starters) means that the bench consists of Steve Pearce, Eduardo Nunez and sandy Leon. Not one of them is hitting .200 in a part time role. The trade deadline ( not that these guys have value_) is almost 3 months away.

 

How does Dave Dombroski upgrade this team between now and end of July to keep it in contention ?? Or do you wait for reversion to the mean to save the season??

[mvp 78]

As previously noted, the Sox 25 man roster has featured 37 players to date, with everyone coming from the existing organization . The 13 man pitching staff ( now with significant injuries among starters) means that the bench consists of Steve Pearce, Eduardo Nunez and sandy Leon. Not one of them is hitting .200 in a part time role. The trade deadline ( not that these guys have value_) is almost 3 months away.

 

How does Dave Dombroski upgrade this team between now and end of July to keep it in contention ?? Or do you wait for reversion to the mean to save the season??

 

I'm not sure there are any big deals this deadline for the Sox, unless the Sox are the ones moving players. I think the pen reinforcements come from the minors. I think the offense is fine. I think either Pearce or Nunez go back on the IL until they can turn things around. I think we see a bigger change in personnel this offseason.

[moonslav59]

Unless we have injury issues in July, I think we go light. We'll try to stay under the max cap, and may pick up some pen help and maybe some bench help.

[oldtimer]

Unless we have injury issues in July, I think we go light. We'll try to stay under the max cap, and may pick up some pen help and maybe some bench help.

 

I agree that changes will come from within and there won't be many this season. I can understand why the Sox stayed with Nunez as they expected his leg issues to have been behind him and with giving Pearce another year based on his excellent end of season performance. Maybe one or the other of these guys will make a comeback this season and help the club.

 

Next season, I hope all of the underperforming field players we have on the 2019 roster will be replaced, either from within or through free agency. I don't see many of those guys drawing a lot of interest in the trade market. My target list includes Pedroia, Holt, Nunez, Pearce, Leon and Bradley. I hate to put Moreland into that list as he still has value to us, but if we move Devers to 1st, do we need 2 left handed hitting 1st basemen?

[Maxbialystock]

A contrarian view. I happen to think the 25 man roster has worked remarkably well so far. Cora loaded up on pitchers with 13 from the get go--season began with a lot of games without a break--and has stayed there. Thus, despite having just three benchers, we have seen Chavis blossom and assorted others--Nunez Pearce, Lin, etc--get a shot. More to the point, the usual lineup has 8 pretty good hitters right now--everyone except JBJ.

[notin]

I agree that changes will come from within and there won't be many this season. I can understand why the Sox stayed with Nunez as they expected his leg issues to have been behind him and with giving Pearce another year based on his excellent end of season performance. Maybe one or the other of these guys will make a comeback this season and help the club.

 

Next season, I hope all of the underperforming field players we have on the 2019 roster will be replaced, either from within or through free agency. I don't see many of those guys drawing a lot of interest in the trade market. My target list includes Pedroia, Holt, Nunez, Pearce, Leon and Bradley. I hate to put Moreland into that list as he still has value to us, but if we move Devers to 1st, do we need 2 left handed hitting 1st basemen?

 

Nunez had a player option. He exercised it and the Sox had no choice in the matter.

 

Pedroia is going nowhere. And this isn’t going to change no matter how many unthankful fans throw pennies into water fountains wishing he would retire.

 

Porcello, Moreland, Nunez, and Sandoval’s contract are likely gone, and barring a massive turnaround, Thornburg will go, too. Holt and Leon might be retained since they fill needs and work cheaply. Bradley probably stays, too, mostly because trade interest in him was pretty weak this past off-season and he has yet to do anything to make any team reconsider. There was a time when Edwin Encarnacion and Yasiel Puig were in play for Bradley, but those are the best offers I ever heard. (And the Sox were wise to pass on Puig in particular, as he’s just as streaky offensively but also brings worse outfield defense and a slew of alleged attitude problems.)

 

If the Sox hope to retain Betts, there won’t be much room to bring most free agents back or bring in any high-priced talent...

[notin]

Unless we have injury issues in July, I think we go light. We'll try to stay under the max cap, and may pick up some pen help and maybe some bench help.

 

 

One odd thought might be moving Moreland at the break. If Chavis becomes a liability at second, Moreland might be the only expiring contract to draw any interest (besides Porcello, but that only happens if the Sox are out of it). The undersized Chavis might be moved to 1b like a young Danny Murphy. Especially if the Sox are cautious after Moreland’s weak second half last season.

 

I do consider this highly unlikely, however. I think the Sox might make some sort of Addison Reed / Ian Kinsler type move to grab a short term veteran who can respectably fill a need...

[OH FOY]

Depends on Standings. Too early now. I don't expect the Sox being a .500 team, and I don't expect the Rays to play .650 till end of season.

[mvp 78]

One odd thought might be moving Moreland at the break. If Chavis becomes a liability at second, Moreland might be the only expiring contract to draw any interest (besides Porcello, but that only happens if the Sox are out of it). The undersized Chavis might be moved to 1b like a young Danny Murphy. Especially if the Sox are cautious after Moreland’s weak second half last season.

 

I do consider this highly unlikely, however. I think the Sox might make some sort of Addison Reed / Ian Kinsler type move to grab a short term veteran who can respectably fill a need...

 

Not sure why they'd trade the one good defensive 1b they have. More likely the just hold their nose with Chavis at 2b, Chavis regresses and is sent to AAA or Pearce is DFA'd.

[moonslav59]

Not sure why they'd trade the one good defensive 1b they have. More likely the just hold their nose with Chavis at 2b, Chavis regresses and is sent to AAA or Pearce is DFA'd.

 

If Pedey, Nunez or Holt get healthy and start playing well (not impossible to think one might), and Chavis continues hitting, the idea is not a bad one. Besides, Moreland almost always hits poorly after the midway point.

[notin]

Not sure why they'd trade the one good defensive 1b they have. More likely the just hold their nose with Chavis at 2b, Chavis regresses and is sent to AAA or Pearce is DFA'd.

 

I doubt it happens, but he’s got more trade value than most of the other pending free agents. That’s all...

[mvp 78]

If Pedey, Nunez or Holt get healthy and start playing well (not impossible to think one might), and Chavis continues hitting, the idea is not a bad one. Besides, Moreland almost always hits poorly after the midway point.

 

Hitting poorly doesn't affect his defense though. The 04 Sox were smart enough to get Mirasmelly for his glove even though they already had Millar.

 

(Ed note: Meant to say Manischwitz. Sorry all.)

Edited May 8, 2019 by mvp 78

[mvp 78]

I doubt it happens, but he’s got more trade value than most of the other pending free agents. That’s all...

 

I've said as much previously. DD has the opportunity to sell high.

[moonslav59]

I doubt they will trade Moreland, but if they need some budget space to get a better (more expensive) pitcher, and Chavis and/or Pearce is hitting well, it's a slight possibility.

[illinoisredsox]

Hitting poorly doesn't affect his defense though. The 04 Sox were smart enough to get Mirasmelly for his glove even though they already had Millar.

 

How do you get Mirasmelly from Mientkiewicz?

[jacksonianmarch]

Mitch Moreland’s are a dime a dozen and aren’t worth much at all. Then you look at Moreland’s body of work and see that he’s almost always a dud in the second half and is doubt anyone would want to take on the money, let alone give up talent

[Bellhorn04]

I doubt they will trade Moreland, but if they need some budget space to get a better (more expensive) pitcher, and Chavis and/or Pearce is hitting well, it's a slight possibility.

 

I don't think it's even a slight possibility. DD must like him, to sign him twice.

[moonslav59]

Mitch Moreland’s are a dime a dozen and aren’t worth much at all. Then you look at Moreland’s body of work and see that he’s almost always a dud in the second half and is doubt anyone would want to take on the money, let alone give up talent

 

It's not about getting someone good for him: it's about making salary space for someone we may need at another position.

 

(I agree, maybe nobody would want him.)

[Bellhorn04]

I think some teams would be interested in a left handed power bat and a decent first baseman for $2 mill.

 

The only way we trade him is if we're out of it.

[Hitch]

Yeah no way Moreland goes unless we are out of it. I do sometimes wonder if us being out of it this year would be better for our longer term outlook (note: this is not what I'm advocating for). If Moreland continues his hot start and Porcello is pitching well then we should get two decent pieces for them. Martinez should bring back a prize. A very highly rated prospect close to the bigs from a competing team looking to be put over. Maybe something like 2nd baseman or CF.

 

Re-sign Martinez in the summer. We will have Chavis, Devers, and the prospect hopefully in the team bringing costs down.

 

Re-signing Betts will mean we need to get creative somewhere.

 

That all said, one high level prospect and two low ones isn't a great return for a broken year.

[dgalehouse]

If not for Moreland , we would be in worse shape than we are right now . What does he have to do to get a little respect ?

[mvp 78]

How do you get Mirasmelly from Mientkiewicz?

 

I'm an idiot that is working on little to no sleep.

[notin]

Mitch Moreland’s are a dime a dozen and aren’t worth much at all. Then you look at Moreland’s body of work and see that he’s almost always a dud in the second half and is doubt anyone would want to take on the money, let alone give up talent

 

 

I’d take him over Greg Bird and Luke Voit...

[Maxbialystock]

Absolutely, DD must dump that worthless Moreland character. I looked at the stats--and he is only 4th on the team in total bases, leader in dingers, leader in rbi's, etc. He should be declared an embarassment to Red Sox baseball and sent packing.

 

I agree with whoever says Moreland tends to regress in the 2d half of the season, but that hasn't actually happened yet this year. As for next year, it sure looks as those Devers or Chavis is a better fit at 1b--provided someone else can do as well (hitting and fielding) at 3b/2b.

[Maxbialystock]

At my age, I like to test my memory, which means I like to memorize the 25 man roster, including changes. Position players have been easy, but the pitching staff impossible.

 

I am inclined to think the position players will not change a lot from what we have now, but the pitching will change weekly if not daily.

[moonslav59]

At my age, I like to test my memory, which means I like to memorize the 25 man roster, including changes. Position players have been easy, but the pitching staff impossible.

 

I am inclined to think the position players will not change a lot from what we have now, but the pitching will change weekly if not daily.

 

We've used 20 pitchers already this year, not counting Nunez. We may end up using Shawaryn or Feltman at some point. Only 13 pitchers have more than 6 IP.

[Larry Cook]

I doubt they will trade Moreland, but if they need some budget space to get a better (more expensive) pitcher, and Chavis and/or Pearce is hitting well, it's a slight possibility.

 

What could they get for Porcello at the deadline?

[moonslav59]

What could they get for Porcello at the deadline?

 

If he's doing well, and we are sellers (big if), my guess is a really good prospect or two good ones.

[notin]

If not for Moreland , we would be in worse shape than we are right now . What does he have to do to get a little respect ?

 

 

Saying he has the most trade value isn’t at the very least a form of “respect”?

[Bellhorn04]

Saying he has the most trade value isn’t at the very least a form of “respect”?

 

I don't think what you said was that Moreland has the most trade value, exactly...