Devers

[jung]

I suspect the Sox coaching staff and Pedey and X have been on Devers big time of late. You cannot make the plays he has been making lately from his usual, non-athletic, looks like he is waiting for a bus while he chews on his glove pre-pitch position. Probably no coincidence that Dever's "transformation" occurred coincidence with Chavis appearance in a Sox uni either.

[jad]

Devers is an enigma. He often boot some fairly routine plays, then he'll turn around and make a Gold Glove caliber play.

 

Exactly. When I saw him in AA just before he came up (I hadn't heard of him), he looked like he was in a different league from the others--rather like when Major leaguers are re-habbing there. Great fielder, I thought (he made a couple of spectacular plays), not much at the plate. So much for the 'eye-test'. Or 'small sample size'. Nonetheless, the idea that he is unathletic is silly.

[jung]

Exactly. When I saw him in AA just before he came up (I hadn't heard of him), he looked like he was in a different league from the others--rather like when Major leaguers are re-habbing there. Great fielder, I thought (he made a couple of spectacular plays), not much at the plate. So much for the 'eye-test'. Or 'small sample size'. Nonetheless, the idea that he is unathletic is silly.

 

Rafi is athletic. He just does not get into an athletic position pre-pitch unless half the coaches and half the infield is barking at him. He has always been able to make those plays coming in bare handed if he can get to the ball. It appears to be his favorite play. Frustrating because those are the plays that show off his athletic ability. But the only way to make plays left to right or going back is to assume an athletic position pre-pitch, not on your heels, not with your feet too close together, not with your knees locked, not any of that. Those plays Rafi has made to left and right the last couple of days, you have no shot at if you are not in an athletic position pre-pitch. In fact, you won't make as many bare handed plays coming in from Rafi's usual posture either.

[Oscars]

Whilst Dever’s fielding continues to cause concern, what about his bat?

The 2019 slimmer version of Dever’s is struggling to hit the ball out of the infield, and has a pedestrian .690 OPS with no HRs in 83ABs .

[a700hitter]

Whilst Dever’s fielding continues to cause concern, what about his bat?

The 2019 slimmer version of Dever’s is struggling to hit the ball out of the infield, and has a pedestrian .690 OPS with no HRs in 83ABs .

Could he be injured? He seems to be having trouble with his left shoulder.

[Oscars]

Could he be injured? He seems to be having trouble with his left shoulder.

 

That would make some sense as he is showing no power whatsoever .

[Jason33]

Mike Lowell is looking for a job!!!!!

[moonslav59]

I'm really close to totally advocating making Devers our 1Bman next year.

[notin]

The

I'm really close to totally advocating making Devers our 1Bman next year.

 

Actually a safe bet.

 

Cora has apparently hinted he isn’t thrilled with Devers’ defense at third. He has hinted he does like Dalbec’s. And the Sox are going to need a few cheaper players in the immediate future...

[moonslav59]

The

 

Actually a safe bet.

 

Cora has apparently hinted he isn’t thrilled with Devers’ defense at third. He has hinted he does like Dalbec’s. And the Sox are going to need a few cheaper players in the immediate future...

 

Even if Dalbec is not good enough to make the roster, I'd move Devers to 1B. We lose over $13M in 1B cost this winter, so it will be time for the move.

 

I see no improvement after having a little encouragement late last year.

[mvp 78]

Even if Dalbec is not good enough to make the roster, I'd move Devers to 1B. We lose over $13M in 1B cost this winter, so it will be time for the move.

 

I see no improvement after having a little encouragement late last year.

 

I'd bring Moreland back without question. Yes, I know this conflicts with Devers' handedness.

[moonslav59]

I'd bring Moreland back without question. Yes, I know this conflicts with Devers' handedness.

 

Not at $6M. I'm not sure why we are the only team in MLB paying over $6M for both Moreland and Pearce. Players like them are making half that much on the open market.

[notin]

Even if Dalbec is not good enough to make the roster, I'd move Devers to 1B. We lose over $13M in 1B cost this winter, so it will be time for the move.

 

I see no improvement after having a little encouragement late last year.

 

 

They could start the year with someone like Jedd Gyorko or Yangervais Solarte at 3b. Or spend up for Josh Donaldson...

Edited April 25, 2019 by notin

[moonslav59]

They could start the year with someone like Jedd Gyorko or Yangervais Solarte at 3b. Or spend up for Josh Donaldson...

 

My guess is we go cheap at corner IF next year and just go with Devers, Chavis and Dalbec- maybe bringing Holt back as depth.

 

If we reset, it makes sense. If we don't, but try to stay under the 2nd or max line, we will need the spending money elsewhere.

 

[vegasbob]

Could he be injured? He seems to be having trouble with his left shoulder.

 

Some of his swings recently have been very short armed as if an alligator is holding the bat. A couple of us speculated the other night , when his awkward swing was pronounced, that his left shoulder must have been hurting. Maybe from one of those diving fielding play on the rockets allowed by some pitchers .

Edited April 25, 2019 by vegasbob

[mvp 78]

Not at $6M. I'm not sure why we are the only team in MLB paying over $6M for both Moreland and Pearce. Players like them are making half that much on the open market.

 

If you can sign him for around $5M, it's well worth it. I pass on Pearce. His contract this year was a thank you for the WS.

[moonslav59]

If you can sign him for around $5M, it's well worth it. I pass on Pearce. His contract this year was a thank you for the WS.

 

He always starts each off well, and gets hyped.

 

Let's wait until October to see what we think he'll be worth.

[mvp 78]

He always starts each off well, and gets hyped.

 

Let's wait until October to see what we think he'll be worth.

 

He's a good clubhouse guy and has a good glove. He's also not cost prohibitive.

[moonslav59]

He's a good clubhouse guy and has a good glove. He's also not cost prohibitive.

 

I'm not saying I don't want Moreland back, but I don't think it will or should take $5M to bring him back at a post prime age.

 

I'd offer him $3.5M/1 or $6M/2, and I doubt anyone offers more. (Those numbers might change, if he finally stays healthy for a full year and ends up near .800.

[SCM33]

Some of his swings recently have been very short armed as if an alligator is holding the bat. A couple of us speculated the other night , when his awkward swing was pronounced, that his left shoulder must have been hurting. Maybe from one of those diving fielding play on the rockets allowed by some pitchers .

 

Its possible he is shortening his swing to see the ball better and go the other way.

[Spudboy]

Butch Hobson I believe.

 

Who the f*** would name their kid Clell???? Clell Lavern Hobson.

 

He was cursed at the get go.

[Maxbialystock]

What the heck happened to the Devers thread? Hijacked?

 

Gotta say the Tampa series was not good--a costly error in the field and a completely inexcusable and just stupid baserunning error getting picked off. And where is the hitting we expected?

 

On the other thread I picked on JBJ a lot, but I now also have issues with Devers, who last year I supported no matter what. It's time for the kid to grow up.

[mvp 78]

What the heck happened to the Devers thread? Hijacked?

 

Gotta say the Tampa series was not good--a costly error in the field and a completely inexcusable and just stupid baserunning error getting picked off. And where is the hitting we expected?

 

On the other thread I picked on JBJ a lot, but I now also have issues with Devers, who last year I supported no matter what. It's time for the kid to grow up.

 

UNLIKE OTHER POSTERS WHO COMPLAIN IF YOU INSULT THEIR BINKY, I think it's justified to have concerns over Devers at this point.

[vegasbob]

UNLIKE OTHER POSTERS WHO COMPLAIN IF YOU INSULT THEIR BINKY, I think it's justified to have concerns over Devers at this point.

 

More than justified . He should be coming into his own with the bat, for power and average, while showing some steady play at 3B, not the inconsistency of great stops and throws surrounded by nonchalant errors. It doesn't seem that Ortiz's mentoring made a big impression.

[mvp 78]

More than justified . He should be coming into his own with the bat, for power and average, while showing some steady play at 3B, not the inconsistency of great stops and throws surrounded by nonchalant errors. It doesn't seem that Ortiz's mentoring made a big impression.

 

I can understand the bat not being there right now since it's early in the season and we don't know if there is an underlying injury/issue, but the lack of focus on defense is concerning.

[Spudboy]

Earlier in this season I surmised that Devers had made improvement in his defense.

 

Now I see costly errors and I question my judgement.

 

It may sound like a cop-out but he is still quite young at 22.

[mvp 78]

Earlier in this season I surmised that Devers had made improvement in his defense.

 

Now I see costly errors and I question my judgement.

 

It may sound like a cop-out but he is still quite young at 22.

 

A lot of mental mistakes IMO.

[Bellhorn04]

Red Sox Stats‏ @redsoxstats

 

Devers made 68% of routine plays as a rookie, he made 70% last season, he is making 76% this season. League average 3B makes 72%. His range is excellent. He's been -1 defensive run this season, so league average. People that want to move him off 3B are legitimately dumb.

[mvp 78]

Red Sox Stats‏ @redsoxstats

 

Devers made 68% of routine plays as a rookie, he made 70% last season, he is making 76% this season. League average 3B makes 72%. His range is excellent. He's been -1 defensive run this season, so league average. People that want to move him off 3B are legitimately dumb.

 

Damn.

[notin]

Red Sox Stats‏ @redsoxstats

 

Devers made 68% of routine plays as a rookie, he made 70% last season, he is making 76% this season. League average 3B makes 72%. His range is excellent. He's been -1 defensive run this season, so league average. People that want to move him off 3B are legitimately dumb.

 

 

You mean like you did on page 389 of the “Realistic Look” thread?

Edited April 30, 2019 by notin