What would a Betts extension be?

[a700hitter]

As a huge critic of the Porcello deal, I have to admit we got way more out of him than I thought we would.

He is a consistent innings eater who has been excellent at times.

[Northern Star]

He is a consistent innings eater who has been excellent at times.

 

when he's not pitching the HR Derby.

[Slasher9]

if he makes it through this season with no trips to the DL and pitches to the back of his card it will have gone down as a great signing IMO....

[Kimmi]

I'm not thinking his contract was a loss.

 

I'm glad he's been on our team and has another year to go.

 

 

I liked the Porcello signing from day one.

 

I'm glad we have him.

[SCM33]

@alexspeier

 

Mookie Betts says he loves it in Boston, would be a great place to spend his career, but recent extensions ‘don’t impact me that much.’ He wants what he feels is fair, and that he and the Sox have disagreed on what that is, but suggests that hasn’t hurt relationship w/team.

 

He deserves it and the Sox should pay it. That's been MY position all along. All these other posters wetting their pants over Henry's checking account are weird to me.

 

Having one of the best players in the game is being stupid?!?!?

 

I love you MVP, I really do. But he is gone man.

 

Its really not even close, certainly not worth a disagreement about. Again, The Redsox have the highest payroll in MLB, and thats without paying Betts, Bogaerts, Benintendi, Devers, Sale etc. They are on the hook for huge money on deals with players that havent played for us in years.

 

We have 2 more years of Betts left. He does not intend to negotiate until he is a FA, when other teams throw unworldly amounts of money at him. Hopefully, we win another WS in the next 2 years. That softens the sting when he eventually leaves.

 

In the end, if we win another WS and he leaves, then fine......guy wants to get paid. If we dont win in his remaining 2 years, thats when the sting hurts most, when we lose him to the highest bidder and we are left high and dry......with no replacements in the minors.

[moonslav59]

I love you MVP, I really do. But he is gone man.

 

Its really not even close, certainly not worth a disagreement about. Again, The Redsox have the highest payroll in MLB, and thats without paying Betts, Bogaerts, Benintendi, Devers, Sale etc. They are on the hook for huge money on deals with players that havent played for us in years.

 

We have 2 more years of Betts left. He does not intend to negotiate until he is a FA, when other teams throw unworldly amounts of money at him. Hopefully, we win another WS in the next 2 years. That softens the sting when he eventually leaves.

 

In the end, if we win another WS and he leaves, then fine......guy wants to get paid. If we dont win in his remaining 2 years, thats when the sting hurts most, when we lose him to the highest bidder and we are left high and dry......with no replacements in the minors.

 

We're off the hook with Pablo after this year and Castillo after 2020- the winter Betts becomes a FA. We will be "off the hook" in time.

 

Our high payroll does incluse paying Betts, Sale & Bogey. While it's not FA market rates, it's still a lot.

 

We can't afford everyone, but if we let Porcello, Bogey and maybe JD or JBJ go, we can afford Betts & Sale.

 

We may have a lean year or two, but once we reset the tax, Henry can go back to $40M over the line and we can be back in the race in 1-2 years- assuming no blunders and decent returns from Price and other big money players.

 

[oldtimer]

We're off the hook with Pablo after this year and Castillo after 2020- the winter Betts becomes a FA. We will be "off the hook" in time.

 

Our high payroll does incluse paying Betts, Sale & Bogey. While it's not FA market rates, it's still a lot.

 

We can't afford everyone, but if we let Porcello, Bogey and maybe JD or JBJ go, we can afford Betts & Sale.

 

We may have a lean year or two, but once we reset the tax, Henry can go back to $40M over the line and we can be back in the race in 1-2 years- assuming no blunders and decent returns from Price and other big money players.

 

 

The performance of players leading up to their FA year will have a lot to do in determining their worth. For Betts, it is a crap shoot and he is betting on a sustained level of performance to give him substantially more than $20 mil AAV for 8 years. If his performance is sustained, we benefit from it but then will probably have to match $35 mil AAV for 10 years. That would send me looking for alternatives.

[Bellhorn04]

I love you MVP, I really do. But he is gone man.

 

Its really not even close, certainly not worth a disagreement about. Again, The Redsox have the highest payroll in MLB, and thats without paying Betts, Bogaerts, Benintendi, Devers, Sale etc. They are on the hook for huge money on deals with players that havent played for us in years.

 

We have 2 more years of Betts left. He does not intend to negotiate until he is a FA, when other teams throw unworldly amounts of money at him. Hopefully, we win another WS in the next 2 years. That softens the sting when he eventually leaves.

 

In the end, if we win another WS and he leaves, then fine......guy wants to get paid. If we dont win in his remaining 2 years, thats when the sting hurts most, when we lose him to the highest bidder and we are left high and dry......with no replacements in the minors.

 

If Bogaerts and Porcello depart after this year, that's a fair chunk of money off the books.

[moonslav59]

If Bogaerts and Porcello depart after this year, that's a fair chunk of money off the books.

 

Actually, it could be: Porcello ($21.1M), Pablito ($18.5M), Bogey ($12m), Moreland ($6.5M), Pearce ($6.2M), Nunez ($5M), Thornburg ($1.8M).

 

That's over $70M, but a lot of holes to fill...

 

Porcello> DHernandez

 

Bogey> Holt (re-signed) or Lin/Chatham

 

Moreland/Pearce> Chavis/Dalbec

 

Nunez> Lin/Chatham/Chavis/Dalbec

 

Thornburg> might not even need to be replaced.

 

Sale is getting $15M now, so if we extend him, maybe add $20M.

Betts is getting $20M now, so if we extend him, maybe add $15M.

 

That's only $35M out of the $70M lost. Add some arb raises to JBJ, ERod, Barnes and eventually Beni & Devers, some of that $35M will be spent within, but there should be enough for 2-3 lower cost FAs or 1-2 moderately costly FAs to fill a hole or two that cannot be filled from the above internal options.

 

I still think we will struggle the year we reset, but the "cliff" may be short-lived, if we don't make any more mistakes like Pablo, HRam & Castillo.

[BillyWilliams]

Betts confirms he rejected $200M extension offer

 

By Matt Kelly @mattkellyMLB

March 20, 2019

 

In the wake of Mike Trout’s 10-year extension worth a reported $360 million revealed Tuesday, which brings his current contract to an astounding 12 years and $426.5 million, eyes naturally turned toward the next-biggest potential free agent, Mookie Betts, and whether he would also be interested in avoiding the open market.

 

But given Betts’ comments Wednesday in Florida, the Red Sox superstar appears committed to testing the free-agent waters.

 

When asked if he expects to enter the 2019 season without signing a long-term extension, Betts said, “That’s exactly what I expect. I don’t expect anything to happen until I’m a free agent."

 

 

“It’s just one of those things where you’ve just got to go out and play,” continued Betts, who is eligible for free agency following the 2020 season -- the same year that Trout was set to hit the market. Betts is more than a year younger than Trout. “You can’t worry about the economics of the game right now. [The Red Sox] have to take care of what they have to take care of, and I have to take care of what I have to take care of. The common thing is to win a World Series, and I think it’s something we definitely both want to do.”

 

Betts confirmed a report by MLB Network insider Joel Sherman for the New York Post that he rejected Boston’s eight-year, $200 million extension offer following the 2017 season.

 

“Yeah, I was made an offer last year,” he said. “That was just a disagreement, which is perfectly fine.”

 

Betts, 26, is seen by many as perhaps the game’s second-best player now behind Trout, and he beat out the Angels superstar for the 2018 American League MVP Award as he led the Majors with a .346 average, .640 slugging percentage, 129 runs scored and 10.9 Wins Above Replacement, per Baseball-Reference. Those numbers helped Boston win its fourth World Series championship in 15 years.

 

Trout’s extension came on the same day that Astros star third baseman Alex Bregman reportedly agreed to a five-year, $100 million extension, and it follows a series of other high-profile extensions signed by players like Nolan Arenado of the Rockies and Aaron Hicks of the Yankees. Bryce Harper and Manny Machado also raised the ceiling in the free-agent market with historic contracts signed with the Phillies and Padres, respectively, this offseason.

 

“Those guys have gotten great deals,” Betts said. “They can get what they got and some can get more. It’s been pretty good. Definitely a step in the right direction for the game. But there are still a lot of guys out there who haven’t signed anything. Some have, some haven’t. I think once we got some of those guys that are on the market off [of it], I think things will be a lot better.”

 

Betts, for the record, did not dismiss the notion that he and Boston could come to an agreement before the 2020-21 offseason. He repeatedly focused on the Red Sox’s current World Series title defense and his remaining two years in Boston in his comments Wednesday.

 

“Why not?” Betts said of potentially bridging the gap with his club. “You should definitely keep your ears open and see what is said. But that doesn’t mean you necessarily have to agree on or take whatever is given. Like I said, I love it here. I think this is great place to be to spend your career here. But that doesn’t mean you should sell yourself short.

 

“I’m under no pressure to do anything,” he continued. “It’s OK for two sides to disagree. It’s perfectly fine. It’s normal. Like I said, I’ve got two more years. I’m going to make the best of them. I’ve got to work on year one right here, go out and do my best to help the team win. Also next year, it’s one of those things where it’s all right to disagree.”

 

Betts notably avoided arbitration with the Red Sox in January by signing a one-year, $20 million deal that set a record for a player in his second season of arbitration eligibility.

 

Mookie Betts on extension, Mike Trout signing

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In the wake of Mike Trout’s 10-year extension worth a reported $360 million revealed Tuesday, which brings his current contract to an astounding 12 years and $426.5 million, eyes naturally turned toward the next-biggest potential free agent, Mookie Betts, and whether he would also be interested in avoiding the open

[moonslav59]

Old news.

[mvp 78]

Old news.

 

You think he ever posts anything new or interesting?

[BillyWilliams]

Old news.

 

Well, the article was just posted 2 days ago.........

[moonslav59]

Well, the article was just posted 2 days ago.........

 

In today's age, 2 days in ancient times, besides what the article was about was old news.

[Slasher9]

You think he ever posts anything new or interesting?

 

Dan Clark tweets count????

[BillyWilliams]

In today's age, 2 days in ancient times, besides what the article was about was old news.

 

Says the poster who drones on and on about the same topics day after day..........

 

Not to mention there are plenty of posters who don't spend their every waking moment in here (like you do) and may benefit from the read......

Edited March 22, 2019 by BillyWilliams

[vjcsmoke]

Trout got 12 year / $426,500,000 deal. That is a bank breaker right there.

 

There's no reason to expect Betts to want anything less than 35m per year.

 

However he does have a couple arb years. So we might ask him to take less for 2019/2020 but bump up his pay to the expected 35m aav for the remainder.

 

So... 20/25 + 35x10. The originally estimated 395m by the OP seems in line with the expected price tag of a superstar position player. I certainly don't expect anything less than 350m. But who knows, Sale was gotten for an unexpectedly low price.

 

Maybe the Sox offer a 10 year contract instead to lower the total value to 325m with an opt out after 5 years?

[Bellhorn04]

Trout got 12 year / $426,500,000 deal. That is a bank breaker right there.

 

There's no reason to expect Betts to want anything less than 35m per year.

 

However he does have a couple arb years. So we might ask him to take less for 2019/2020 but bump up his pay to the expected 35m aav for the remainder.

 

So... 20/25 + 35x10. The originally estimated 395m by the OP seems in line with the expected price tag of a superstar position player. I certainly don't expect anything less than 350m. But who knows, Sale was gotten for an unexpectedly low price.

 

Maybe the Sox offer a 10 year contract instead to lower the total value to 325m with an opt out after 5 years?

 

Yes, maybe a 10 year deal, heavily front-loaded, with an opt out.

[Kimmi]

Says the poster who drones on and on about the same topics day after day..........

 

Not to mention there are plenty of posters who don't spend their every waking moment in here (like you do) and may benefit from the read......

 

To be fair, we all drone on about the same topics day after day.

 

It's what we do here.

[Spudboy]

I say give Mookie the Judge Schmails treatment.

 

"You'll get nothing and like it."

[S5Dewey]

I know this will fall on deaf ears because it flies in the face the stat geeks, but I'll be interested to see how many HR's Mookie gets this year batting second. I've always felt that in his first AB he sometimes takes advantage of a pitcher who hasn't settled in yet and gets a hittable pitch.

[notin]

I know this will fall on deaf ears because it flies in the face the stat geeks, but I'll be interested to see how many HR's Mookie gets this year batting second. I've always felt that in his first AB he sometimes takes advantage of a pitcher who hasn't settled in yet and gets a hittable pitch.

 

 

If the concern is a drop off in him leading off games with home runs, he only did so 5 times last year. So the drop off should not be too drastic...

[Kimmi]

I know this will fall on deaf ears because it flies in the face the stat geeks, but I'll be interested to see how many HR's Mookie gets this year batting second. I've always felt that in his first AB he sometimes takes advantage of a pitcher who hasn't settled in yet and gets a hittable pitch.

 

Your interest/concern is not falling on deaf ears, but being a stat geek, I looked up his numbers.

 

Leading off the game: .286/.351/.504/.855

 

Overall: .346/.438/.640/1.078

 

In comparison to his overall numbers, he doesn't perform as well in his first at bat of the game.

[moonslav59]

Your interest/concern is not falling on deaf ears, but being a stat geek, I looked up his numbers.

 

Leading off the game: .286/.351/.504/.855

 

Overall: .346/.438/.640/1.078

 

In comparison to his overall numbers, he doesn't perform as well in his first at bat of the game.

 

Career:

 

.787 first batter in game

 

.855 leading off an inning

 

Batting Slot (70+ PAs):

.912 first (2165 PAs)

.862 fourth (243 PAs)

.852 eighth (74 PAs)

.820 third (228)

.790 second (150)

 

 

[notin]

Your interest/concern is not falling on deaf ears, but being a stat geek, I looked up his numbers.

 

Leading off the game: .286/.351/.504/.855

 

Overall: .346/.438/.640/1.078

 

In comparison to his overall numbers, he doesn't perform as well in his first at bat of the game.

 

 

Most don’t. That’s the one time when the starting pitcher is at his freshest...

[Bellhorn04]

Most don’t. That’s the one time when the starting pitcher is at his freshest...

 

Any stats on that?

 

In 2018 the highest OPS by inning was .753, in the first inning. But that would be skewed by the best hitters coming up in the first.

 

Since I've been watching baseball I've been hearing of starting pitchers needing to 'settle in'...don't let him off the hook!...that sort of thing.

[Kimmi]

Any stats on that?

 

In 2018 the highest OPS by inning was .753, in the first inning. But that would be skewed by the best hitters coming up in the first.

 

Since I've been watching baseball I've been hearing of starting pitchers needing to 'settle in'...don't let him off the hook!...that sort of thing.

 

True, but there is also the thing about a pitcher doing worse the 3rd time through the order, after the batter has had a chance to see the pitcher a couple of times.

[SCM33]

If Bogaerts and Porcello depart after this year, that's a fair chunk of money off the books.

 

They will still need to spend significant money to replace a big market SS and a #3 pitcher on a championship team.

 

Would you rather pay Betts all that money, or sign an upgrade over Porcello, re-sign Bogaerts and have a replacement level player in RF?

 

We can still improve the team without re-signing Betts, by allocating the money to the starting roration, or bullpen.

 

In most professional sports, you need horses over ponies.....NBA is one of them, NHL too.....NFL QB horses win way more than ponies.

 

In baseball, you can sacrifice having some ponies in the lineup, as long at your pitching rotation is filled with horses.

Edited March 25, 2019 by SCM33

[notin]

They will still need to spend significant money to replace a big market SS and a #3 pitcher on a championship team.

 

 

It’s possible a big part of the reason Eovaldi was signed was to get a veteran pitcher to replace Porcello’s production.

 

Next year, not only does the Bogarts/Porcello money leave the roster, but so does the $12.75 mill tied up in 1b, with the anticipation of Chavis or Dalbec in the wings in some capacity. It is possible that Bogaerts and Porcello get replaced by Chatham and Hernandez, but not likely. If Porcello is amenable to a reasonable (re: drastic) paycut, it is possible he returns and Chavis/Dalbec or Hernandez or both are dealt for a SS...

[Larry Cook]

It would be nice to extend Porcello. But I do understand we have a ton of money tied up in our starting rotation already.