What would a Betts extension be?

[jacksonianmarch]

Bergman signed a 5 year $100 mill extension, not, per your original estimate, a 4 year $60mill extension...

 

He signed a 5 years $100 mil extension. He’s getting $600K for 2019. Hence, he’s under contract for 6 yrs and $100.6 mil. I’d offer that to Judge right now without batting an eye

[BillyWilliams]

Henry can afford all of these guys. The theory that he has to pick and choose is just letting him off the hook IMO.

 

If he can afford all these guys then why do you have a guessing game as to who your closer will be........

[notin]

Henry can afford all of these guys. The theory that he has to pick and choose is just letting him off the hook IMO.

 

 

It’s not a question of what he can afford. It’s a question of what he will pay for...

[mvp 78]

If he can afford all these guys then why do you have a guessing game as to who your closer will be........

 

Because they didn't want Kimbrel at his price point and thought the rest of the bullpen is good enough.................

[mvp 78]

It’s not a question of what he can afford. It’s a question of what he will pay for...

 

Don't you start adding extra .'s too!

[notin]

Don't you start adding extra .'s too!

 

 

Hey that’s been my thing through three forums now. I’ve even been called out for it on here before...

[notin]

Because they didn't want Kimbrel at his price point and thought the rest of the bullpen is good enough.................

 

And it feels like Brasier made them fall in love with signing hard throwers who didn’t pitch for MLB organizations last year (Mejia, Runzler, Putnam)...

[Slasher9]

It’s not a question of what he can afford. It’s a question of what he will pay for...

 

asking Billionaires to spend their own money is not a layup. they are billionaires for a reason. i'm actually amazed JH didn't reset this year after coming off the parade.....

[BillyWilliams]

Because they didn't want Kimbrel at his price point and thought the rest of the bullpen is good enough.................

 

While I agree they may not have wanted kimbrel at his asking point, I do believe it was financial retraints that stopped them from getting other proven relievers that wouldn't cost as much as kimbrel.

 

You seem to think that henry will spend without limits, his actions say otherwise........

[Bellhorn04]

Henry can afford all of these guys. The theory that he has to pick and choose is just letting him off the hook IMO.

 

When you have the highest payroll in the game 2 years in a row, and are paying a fair chunk in luxury tax and surtax, and when that doesn't even include the 11 million you're paying a guy in Pawtucket, I think you're a pretty generous owner.

[FredLynn]

asking Billionaires to spend their own money is not a layup. they are billionaires for a reason. i'm actually amazed JH didn't reset this year after coming off the parade.....

 

He didn't reset because he knows that the core that won the championship last year is still here and poised to make another good playoff run if the pen holds up.

[mvp 78]

When you have the highest payroll in the game 2 years in a row, and are paying a fair chunk in luxury tax and surtax, and when that doesn't even include the 11 million you're paying a guy in Pawtucket, I think you're a pretty generous owner.

 

Thanks Ben.

[mvp 78]

asking Billionaires to spend their own money is not a layup. they are billionaires for a reason. i'm actually amazed JH didn't reset this year after coming off the parade.....

 

Billionaires don't become billionaires by pinching pennies. That's not how Henry earned his money.

[notin]

Billionaires don't become billionaires by pinching pennies. That's not how Henry earned his money.

 

 

So... you’re saying Henry has no limits to his spending?

[moonslav59]

I'm not concerned about letting porcello go. Aside from his CY young year hes been so darn inconsistent. Also leads mlb the last 2 years at giving up the long ball.

 

I like the fact that hes reliable and eats up inning BUT hes not worth 20 million.

 

Besides his Cy Young season, he's been very consistent. Not great- not bad.

 

[moonslav59]

Billionaires don't become billionaires by pinching pennies. That's not how Henry earned his money.

 

They do a lot of pinching- just maybe not actual pennies.

[mvp 78]

So... you’re saying Henry has no limits to his spending?

 

That's not what I'm saying. Some of the posters here seem to suggest that billionaires made their money by being frugal. That's not really the case.

[mvp 78]

Hey that’s been my thing through three forums now. I’ve even been called out for it on here before...

 

Your "thing" is adding an ellipsis at the end of your posts?

 

That makes made trade Pedroia rants seem like a more tolerable quirk.

[Bellhorn04]

That's not what I'm saying. Some of the posters here seem to suggest that billionaires made their money by being frugal. That's not really the case.

 

They didn't make it by being frugal. They didn't make it by being stupid either.

 

Henry went over the LT threshold by $40 million+ last year and it'll be about the same this year. I'm guessing that's pretty much his limit.

[vegasbob]

Besides his Cy Young season, he's been very consistent. Not great- not bad.

 

 

Interesting fact : there are only 8 pitchers in this decade that have achieved 120 victories ( or more). Rick Porcello , at 30 yrs old, is the youngest. Kershaw, King Felix and Gio Gonzalez are the next 3 youngest. Kershaw is opening the season not on the mound but on the IL, Hernandez is somewhat washed up in Seattle, and Gonzalez , at 33, got an incentive laden $3MM guaranteed, incentive laden minor league deal with the Yankees. Gio hasn't missed a start since June 2014, sporting a 3.75 ERA over that timeframe.

 

Don't dismiss big bat Rick P yet. He may not rank with Mookie or Chris as a premium signee but he should get some love as a mid rotation , starter after this year. The Sox, known for developing their young pitchers, could do worse than offer Porcello an extension. I hope Rick's mound slot comes up in Arizona so he can hit again.

[notin]

Your "thing" is adding an ellipsis at the end of your posts?

 

That makes made trade Pedroia rants seem like a more tolerable quirk.

 

 

I never claimed it was an exciting thing. Just a little something I do almost out of reflex at this point...

[notin]

That's not what I'm saying. Some of the posters here seem to suggest that billionaires made their money by being frugal. That's not really the case.

 

 

Dombrowski has made a career of spending HEAVILY on free agents, and if Henry gives him free reign, Betts is as good as locked up for the next decade plus. But will Henry give him Carte Blanche?

 

I think Henry will employ simple logic - can spending $300mill on Betts give me an ROI of more than $300mill? If he thinks so, then it’s not as issue.

 

But I do wonder how many of Sale, Betts and Bogaerts can be retained? Or can the Sox move Price to make it happen? (I know Price’s immense deal looks unmovable, but so did Robinson Cano’s four moths ago.)

[mvp 78]

They didn't make it by being frugal. They didn't make it by being stupid either.

 

Henry went over the LT threshold by $40 million+ last year and it'll be about the same this year. I'm guessing that's pretty much his limit.

 

Having one of the best players in the game is being stupid?!?!?

[mvp 78]

I never claimed it was an exciting thing. Just a little something I do almost out of reflex at this point...

 

Go on.

[Bellhorn04]

Having one of the best players in the game is being stupid?!?!?

 

Not quite what I said.

 

But signing Mookie for $400 million might qualify as stupid.

[harmony]

Dombrowski has made a career of spending HEAVILY on free agents, and if Henry gives him free reign, Betts is as good as locked up for the next decade plus. But will Henry give him Carte Blanche?

 

I think Henry will employ simple logic - can spending $300mill on Betts give me an ROI of more than $300mill? If he thinks so, then it’s not as issue.

 

But I do wonder how many of Sale, Betts and Bogaerts can be retained? Or can the Sox move Price to make it happen? (I know Price’s immense deal looks unmovable, but so did Robinson Cano’s four moths ago.)

Despite an 80-game suspension last year, Robinson Cano has posted 20.8 fWAR, valued at $163.7 million, in the first five seasons of his 10-year, $240 contract with Seattle.

 

David Price, who is three years younger than Cano but with more health concerns, has posted 8.2 fWAR, valued at $65.8 million, in the first three seasons of his seven-year, $217 million contract with the Red Sox.

 

The Mariners needed to attach significant surplus value in Edwin Diaz to move Cano in the trade* to the Mets. The Red Sox would probably need to attach a player with even more surplus value to move Price.

 

* in the Cano trade the Mariners also received decent prospects in Jarred Kelenic, Justin Dunn and Gerson Bautista but took on the reputedly underwater contracts of Anthony Swarzak and Jay Bruce (Bruce has shown signs over returning to his 36-homer, 101-RBI performance of 2017)

[mvp 78]

Dombrowski has made a career of spending HEAVILY on free agents, and if Henry gives him free reign, Betts is as good as locked up for the next decade plus. But will Henry give him Carte Blanche?

 

I think Henry will employ simple logic - can spending $300mill on Betts give me an ROI of more than $300mill? If he thinks so, then it’s not as issue.

 

But I do wonder how many of Sale, Betts and Bogaerts can be retained? Or can the Sox move Price to make it happen? (I know Price’s immense deal looks unmovable, but so did Robinson Cano’s four moths ago.)

 

Henry has gone above and beyond what he was comfortable in the past (Crawford) and what would seem irrational to people on here (Sandoval AND Hanley).

[redsoxrules]

Interesting fact : there are only 8 pitchers in this decade that have achieved 120 victories ( or more). Rick Porcello , at 30 yrs old, is the youngest. Kershaw, King Felix and Gio Gonzalez are the next 3 youngest. Kershaw is opening the season not on the mound but on the IL, Hernandez is somewhat washed up in Seattle, and Gonzalez , at 33, got an incentive laden $3MM guaranteed, incentive laden minor league deal with the Yankees. Gio hasn't missed a start since June 2014, sporting a 3.75 ERA over that timeframe.

 

Don't dismiss big bat Rick P yet. He may not rank with Mookie or Chris as a premium signee but he should get some love as a mid rotation , starter after this year. The Sox, known for developing their young pitchers, could do worse than offer Porcello an extension. I hope Rick's mound slot comes up in Arizona so he can hit again.

 

Wins are the worst stat to evaluate your pitcher

[dgalehouse]

It has been said that you have to spend money to make money . Of course there has to be a limit somewhere . You do eventually hit the point of diminishing returns. Since the owners are not about to open the books for us to see , we really can't be sure what it is . Certainty John Henry has been a much more willing spender than his counterparts.

[Slasher9]

Your "thing" is adding an ellipsis at the end of your posts?

im super guilty of being an ellipsis guy too...