Sox sign Eovaldi

[Bellhorn04]

Your right, it was Melancon that made $20m last year.

 

Melancon's contract is 4 years, 62 mill. But it was kind of weirdly structured: 14/20/14/14

[moonslav59]

Melancon's contract is 4 years, 62 mill. But it was kind of weirdly structured: 14/20/14/14

 

...and it's the AVV that counts for teams nearing or over the luxury tax.

[jacksonianmarch]

It was structured that way to leave less cash at the end when the Giants may look to deal him away. The AAV wouldn’t change, but less cash to be paid adds in mid market suitors as well

[notin]

Your right, it was Melancon that made $20m last year.

 

Melancon made $15.5mill last year, which is also his AAV.

 

If Eovaldi became a closer, he would be the third highest paid closer in MLB despite having 0 career saves. Only Wade Davis and Chapman make more...

[Emp9]

Another starter; why?

 

What’s our SP depth? Or even perceived SP depth compared to last off season?

[notin]

Melancon's contract is 4 years, 62 mill. But it was kind of weirdly structured: 14/20/14/14

 

Fangraphs has it as 15.5/15.5/15.5/15.5...

[notin]

It was structured that way to leave less cash at the end when the Giants may look to deal him away. The AAV wouldn’t change, but less cash to be paid adds in mid market suitors as well

 

Which is usually the opposite of how contracts are structured. If you backload it, a team can afford better players around the free agent before he starts losing it...

[Bellhorn04]

Fangraphs has it as 15.5/15.5/15.5/15.5...

 

I got my numbers from Cot's Contracts. Baseball-Reference also shows his 2018 salary at 20 mill.

[Emp9]

Because he thinks Eovaldi is going to be the closer, I guess.

 

I don’t actually.

[Bellhorn04]

...and it's the AVV that counts for teams nearing or over the luxury tax.

 

AAV, not AVV - Average Annual Value.

[moonslav59]

AAV, not AVV - Average Annual Value.

 

LOL. It's not Average Verifiable Value?

[Emp9]

Melancon made $15.5mill last year, which is also his AAV.

 

If Eovaldi became a closer, he would be the third highest paid closer in MLB despite having 0 career saves. Only Wade Davis and Chapman make more...

 

Jansen is set to make 19’: $19.3m, 20’: $18m, 21’: $20m. Pretty close to $20m a year, no?

 

And full discolure, I clicked on an article only because it looked recent that said Chapman made $21M. I should’ve checked better sources. Just saying, I wasn’t trying to put one over on you. It’s just what I happened to read first.

[moonslav59]

What’s our SP depth? Or even perceived SP depth compared to last off season?

 

We basically swapped Eovaldi for Pom, who was coming off a good year, and we have Shawaryn not Beeks.

 

2017:

1. Sale (just added)

2. Porcello (coming off a Cy Young season)

3. Price (was decent in 2016: 17-9 3.90)

4. Pomeranz (struggled in second half on '16)

5. ERod (was 3-7 4.71 in 2016)

6. Wright (pitcher very well in 2016, until he got hurt)

7. Fister (added for depth)

8. Johnson

9. Velazquez

10. Kendrick

 

2018

1. Sale (coming off a great season, despite a late season fade)

2. Price (had 11 starts in 2017)

3. Porcello (had an off year in 2017: 11-17 4.65)

4. Pomeranz (pitched very well in 2017)

5. ERod (pitched well in 24 starts in 2017)

6. Wright (question mark at start of year)

7. Johnson

8. Velazquez

9. Beeks

 

2019 (so far)

1. Sale (a bigger question mark)

2. Price (a lesser question mark)

3. Porcello (about the same- maybe slightly better outlook)

4. Eovaldi (better than Pompom)

5. ERod (maybe the same or a little better)

6. Wright (maybe better)

7. Johnson (better)

8. Velzaquez (better)

9. Shawaryn (equal to Beeks?)

(Walen/Shepherd/ JSmith/ DHernandez)

5.

 

[jacksonianmarch]

Your rotation has health question marks. Outside of maybe a question of who Eovaldi is now, you really don't have production question marks. If someone told me that Sale, Eovaldi and ERod would make 29 or more starts apiece, I would be wary of the Yanks chances of toppling them in the division.

[Bellhorn04]

Jansen is set to make 19’: $19.3m, 20’: $18m, 21’: $20m. Pretty close to $20m a year, no?

 

And full discolure, I clicked on an article only because it looked recent that said Chapman made $21M. I should’ve checked better sources. Just saying, I wasn’t trying to put one over on you. It’s just what I happened to read first.

 

The AAV is the most important piece of salary data by far. Jansen's is 16 million and Chapman's is 17.2 million. Wade Davis has the highest for a reliever at 17.33 million.

[jacksonianmarch]

The AAV is the most important piece of salary data by far. Jansen's is 16 million and Chapman's is 17.2 million. Wade Davis has the highest for a reliever at 17.33 million.

 

AAV is the only salary data needed for large market clubs.

 

That being said, I expect to see some interesting machinations on that end in 2019, so much so that I think the new CBA will change that. You are already seeing it with Stanton. Stanton signed the 13 yr contract at an AAV of $25 mil. So $25 mil is what is on the books, even though the Yankees took on $295 mil over the final 10 years. With the Marlins kicking in $30 mil, the Yanks AAV is only $22 mil, which is actually pretty reasonable for someone with Stanton's talent. Based on what we are paying him, it should have been $26.5 mil. From a lux tax perspective, it helps us to keep him on that deal.

 

I also expect teams to do what the sox did with JD Martinez. Front load a contract and offer an opt out. I expect this with Harper. I think Harper sees a contract in the 12 yr $360 mil range, but I expect him to see a much higher AAV over the first 3 seasons. Watch, he will sign a deal that is two deals in one. 3 yr $120 mil deal with an opt out followed by a 9 yr $240 mil deal if he chooses to stay. Harper will effectively see a $40 mil AAV and then opt out while having only a $30 mil AAV on the books. The back end is if he gets hurt or fades, which he shouldn't as he is so young

[Nick]

AAV is the only salary data needed for large market clubs.

 

That being said, I expect to see some interesting machinations on that end in 2019, so much so that I think the new CBA will change that. You are already seeing it with Stanton. Stanton signed the 13 yr contract at an AAV of $25 mil. So $25 mil is what is on the books, even though the Yankees took on $295 mil over the final 10 years. With the Marlins kicking in $30 mil, the Yanks AAV is only $22 mil, which is actually pretty reasonable for someone with Stanton's talent. Based on what we are paying him, it should have been $26.5 mil. From a lux tax perspective, it helps us to keep him on that deal.

 

I also expect teams to do what the sox did with JD Martinez. Front load a contract and offer an opt out. I expect this with Harper. I think Harper sees a contract in the 12 yr $360 mil range, but I expect him to see a much higher AAV over the first 3 seasons. Watch, he will sign a deal that is two deals in one. 3 yr $120 mil deal with an opt out followed by a 9 yr $240 mil deal if he chooses to stay. Harper will effectively see a $40 mil AAV and then opt out while having only a $30 mil AAV on the books. The back end is if he gets hurt or fades, which he shouldn't as he is so young

 

Marlins definitely had no intention of hanging on to Stanton. His contract was favorable to cash rich team such as the Yankees to acquire him.

Edited December 10, 2018 by Nick

[kenmeister]

We basically swapped Eovaldi for Pom, who was coming off a good year, and we have Shawaryn not Beeks.

 

2017:

1. Sale (just added)

2. Porcello (coming off a Cy Young season)

3. Price (was decent in 2016: 17-9 3.90)

4. Pomeranz (struggled in second half on '16)

5. ERod (was 3-7 4.71 in 2016)

6. Wright (pitcher very well in 2016, until he got hurt)

7. Fister (added for depth)

8. Johnson

9. Velazquez

10. Kendrick

 

2018

1. Sale (coming off a great season, despite a late season fade)

2. Price (had 11 starts in 2017)

3. Porcello (had an off year in 2017: 11-17 4.65)

4. Pomeranz (pitched very well in 2017)

5. ERod (pitched well in 24 starts in 2017)

6. Wright (question mark at start of year)

7. Johnson

8. Velazquez

9. Beeks

 

2019 (so far)

1. Sale (a bigger question mark)

2. Price (a lesser question mark)

3. Porcello (about the same- maybe slightly better outlook)

4. Eovaldi (better than Pompom)

5. ERod (maybe the same or a little better)

6. Wright (maybe better)

7. Johnson (better)

8. Velzaquez (better)

9. Shawaryn (equal to Beeks?)

(Walen/Shepherd/ JSmith/ DHernandez)

5.

 

 

... which is to say, we don't need to add another starter. In my humble opinion.

 

Thanks Moon for doing all the work in that response!

[Emp9]

We basically swapped Eovaldi for Pom, who was coming off a good year, and we have Shawaryn not Beeks.

 

2017:

1. Sale (just added)

2. Porcello (coming off a Cy Young season)

3. Price (was decent in 2016: 17-9 3.90)

4. Pomeranz (struggled in second half on '16)

5. ERod (was 3-7 4.71 in 2016)

6. Wright (pitcher very well in 2016, until he got hurt)

7. Fister (added for depth)

8. Johnson

9. Velazquez

10. Kendrick

 

2018

1. Sale (coming off a great season, despite a late season fade)

2. Price (had 11 starts in 2017)

3. Porcello (had an off year in 2017: 11-17 4.65)

4. Pomeranz (pitched very well in 2017)

5. ERod (pitched well in 24 starts in 2017)

6. Wright (question mark at start of year)

7. Johnson

8. Velazquez

9. Beeks

 

2019 (so far)

1. Sale (a bigger question mark)

2. Price (a lesser question mark)

3. Porcello (about the same- maybe slightly better outlook)

4. Eovaldi (better than Pompom)

5. ERod (maybe the same or a little better)

6. Wright (maybe better)

7. Johnson (better)

8. Velzaquez (better)

9. Shawaryn (equal to Beeks?)

(Walen/Shepherd/ JSmith/ DHernandez)

5.

 

 

Thanks Moon.

 

Yeah, I don’t love it. Plus, I’m thinking how difficult it is to repeat a WS championship. ( especially now without a closer). Last year we had the 3 wildcards Erod/Pom/Wright and hoped 1 or 2 of the 3 would have a good year. I’m always pretty high on Wright, but it was another injury plagued year and what can we hope for in 2019 from him? I’ve mixed feelings about ERod as well. I’m still looking for that dynamite year where he puts it all together. And... not for nothing, but I really didn’t appreciate his attitude and lack of hustle this past post-season.

 

Your right, Eovaldi replaces Pom. But for reasons i’ve mentioned, I felt more comfortable last year even if it wound up only being perceived depth.

[moonslav59]

Thanks Moon.

 

Yeah, I don’t love it. Plus, I’m thinking how difficult it is to repeat a WS championship. ( especially now without a closer). Last year we had the 3 wildcards Erod/Pom/Wright and hoped 1 or 2 of the 3 would have a good year. I’m always pretty high on Wright, but it was another injury plagued year and what can we hope for in 2019 from him? I’ve mixed feelings about ERod as well. I’m still looking for that dynamite year where he puts it all together. And... not for nothing, but I really didn’t appreciate his attitude and lack of hustle this past post-season.

 

Your right, Eovaldi replaces Pom. But for reasons i’ve mentioned, I felt more comfortable last year even if it wound up only being perceived depth.

 

I felt comfortable with Pom last winter, so I agree. I do feel better about Price and Porcello, but a little worse about Sale and maybe ERod and Wright. I like Johnson and Velazquez more this winter than last, so in a sense, I like our depth more now: Wright, Johsnon, Velazquez & Shawaryn.

 

We don't have a closer, yet, but I'm pretty sure DD is not done for the winter.

[S5Dewey]

He's gone above 6 WAR 3 of the last 4 seasons and just posted a .905OPS while playing SS along with 37HR and 107RBI. Every way you slice it, he is an elite talent

 

...and he's still an egotistical punk.

[kenmeister]

I’ve mixed feelings about ERod as well. I’m still looking for that dynamite year where he puts it all together. And... not for nothing, but I really didn’t appreciate his attitude and lack of hustle this past post-season.

.

 

E-Rod was doing wonderful, having exactly the year you are describing, before injury once again derailed his season.

[moonslav59]

E-Rod was doing wonderful, having exactly the year you are describing, before injury once again derailed his season.

 

Yes, he was!

 

The team won 13 of his first 14 starts and 19 of his 23 starts on the year.

[Dojji]

He's going into his age 26 campaign. It's nowhere near time to worry about E-Rod, much less to give up on him.

[Fisk]

Yes, he was!

 

The team won 13 of his first 14 starts and 19 of his 23 starts on the year.

 

Hopefully we get a full healthy season from him, was are second best starter this year until the injury.

[mvp 78]

E-Rod was doing wonderful, having exactly the year you are describing, before injury once again derailed his season.

 

The paid him $2.3M last year. Seems worth it for the production. Until he becomes too expensive for what he brings, you keep him. Fangraphs had him worth $18M last year if that kinda thing floats your boat (doesn't for me). His 2.2 WAR was higher than Jon Lester's last year (and that guy is so good that we couldn't trade JBJ for him).

[Kimmi]

Well, salary-wise, I’m only going by the fact that Kimbrel turned down his QO of $17.9M. How much MORE would Kimbrel be asking for? Eovaldi making $17M x 4. I know Chapman & Jensen are up there salary-wise. Over $20m a year. Am I that off for arguments sake? I don’t think I am.

 

Well I'm not paying a relief pitcher that much.

[Kimmi]

I’d like Kelly back but other than that I personally think we should go after another SP.

 

From what I've read today, many teams were looking to sign Eovaldi as a closer, but his preference is to be a starting pitcher. I'm not sure he would have signed with Boston if their intent was to put him in the BP. That being the case, I think our focus is on relievers.

 

I would love to sign another SP. Outside of depth pieces, I don't see that happening.

[TylerD]

From what I've read today, many teams were looking to sign Eovaldi as a closer, but his preference is to be a starting pitcher. I'm not sure he would have signed with Boston if their intent was to put him in the BP. That being the case, I think our focus is on relievers.

 

I would love to sign another SP. Outside of depth pieces, I don't see that happening.

Interesting.

 

With so many teams Needing starting pitching I am surprised so many teams wanted him as a closer. I guess because he was so clutch in the postseason they think he would be really good in the ninth-inning....

[Emp9]

E-Rod was doing wonderful, having exactly the year you are describing, before injury once again derailed his season.

 

Is that why he couldn’t cover 1B or even bother to run to 2B in the playoffs. I believe a wise man described ERod’s game once before... “Ew” pretty much wraps it up for me.