A Realistic View at 2019: Part I

[notin]

I didn't know Greens had 1.5 years.

 

In thinking more about Smith, I'd say no, if Casas is needed.

 

 

I’m hesitant on Casas. But Dalbec, Duran and Chatham are all in play for Greene. I could see sending two of them, or one plus someone like Lakins or Johnson or...

[dgalehouse]

I would not want to trade Casas for Shane Greene . And that is the problem . You hate to give up what it would take to get a closer type . Actually , I'm not too crazy about Greene anyway .

[notin]

I would not want to trade Casas for Shane Greene . And that is the problem . You hate to give up what it would take to get a closer type . Actually , I'm not too crazy about Greene anyway .

 

A legitimate criticism. But Greene is like 21 for 22 in save chances this season.

 

I think Greene is a good fit for Boston for multiple reasons. But no idea on the asking price...

[moonslav59]

I’m hesitant on Casas. But Dalbec, Duran and Chatham are all in play for Greene. I could see sending two of them, or one plus someone like Lakins or Johnson or...

 

I'd give any one of Dalbec, Duran or Chatham plus two from Johnson, Lakins or Shawaryn.

 

3 for 1

 

(I'd push the out of options Johnson as a way to free up the roster squeeze.)

[notin]

I'd give any one of Dalbec, Duran or Chatham plus two from Johnson, Lakins or Shawaryn.

 

3 for 1

 

(I'd push the out of options Johnson as a way to free up the roster squeeze.)

 

 

Oh I do that, too.

 

But the question becomes obvious at that point - would Detroit?

[moonslav59]

Ideally, I'd like to see if someone would take some salary dumps off our hands, even if we pay 40-80% of their remaining contracts, so we can have more money to spend on someone else's "better" salary dump. That's the best way to get a decent pitcher without giving up top prospects.

 

Possible salary dumps from our side:

 

(Luxury Tax Dollars)

 

13.8 Pedroia (Maybe 100% untradeable)

6.5 Moreland or 6.25 Pearce

5.0 Nunez (Close to untradeable, even if we pay 80-90% of his deal)

3.6 Holt (I'd avoid trading him.)

2.5 Leon (I would not tarde him.)

1.8 Thornburg

 

 

[moonslav59]

Oh I do that, too.

 

But the question becomes obvious at that point - would Detroit?

 

Depends on at least 2 things we may not have a clue about:

 

1) Does the Detroit GM covet any of the guys on this list?

 

2) Does anyone else offer better?

[Swiharts Ghost]

Laugh at this but I'm not trading Casas unless the name Noah S or Matty S are involved I don't know if I'd add that kid unless it's a bonafide Ace starter .We can package others for a closer .

[bkzwhitestrican]

Casas looks like he could be a good MLB player one day but you guys are overvaluing him. He's 2-3 years away from a potential call-up and he'll likely end up playing a non-premium position (1st base). He might be your best prospect but that doesn't mean he's gonna fetch Noah Syndergaard. I don't think you would even get Shane Greene straight up for him just because there's going to be a lot of demand for high-end relievers at the deadline.

[Bellhorn04]

Ideally, I'd like to see if someone would take some salary dumps off our hands, even if we pay 40-80% of their remaining contracts, so we can have more money to spend on someone else's "better" salary dump. That's the best way to get a decent pitcher without giving up top prospects.

 

Possible salary dumps from our side:

 

(Luxury Tax Dollars)

 

13.8 Pedroia (Maybe 100% untradeable)

6.5 Moreland or 6.25 Pearce

5.0 Nunez (Close to untradeable, even if we pay 80-90% of his deal)

3.6 Holt (I'd avoid trading him.)

2.5 Leon (I would not tarde him.)

1.8 Thornburg

 

 

Not much of a list LOL

[moonslav59]

Casas looks like he could be a good MLB player one day but you guys are overvaluing him. He's 2-3 years away from a potential call-up and he'll likely end up playing a non-premium position (1st base). He might be your best prospect but that doesn't mean he's gonna fetch Noah Syndergaard. I don't think you would even get Shane Greene straight up for him just because there's going to be a lot of demand for high-end relievers at the deadline.

 

We may be over-rating Casas, but you may be over-rating Greene. The guy has sucked every year but 2017 and 2019.

 

Even his 2017 season has a 1.214 WHIP fueled mostly by a 4.5 BB/9 rate.

 

Career, he is a 4.57 ERA and a 1.35 WHIP. His BB/9 has been an okay 2.7 the last year and a half, but it's not like this guy is a sure bet solid RP'er.

[moonslav59]

Not much of a list LOL

 

No, but my hope is that maybe we trade Pearce & Thornburg while paying $1.7 out of the $2.7M owed at the deadline. Maybe we throw in Shawaryn to sweeten the deal,

 

The extra $1M helps us get a better pitcher (or two).

 

It's not about the other team wanting or needing Pearce or Thornburg. They may DFA them after the trade, but they get Shawaryn and can afford $1M.

[notin]

Casas looks like he could be a good MLB player one day but you guys are overvaluing him. He's 2-3 years away from a potential call-up and he'll likely end up playing a non-premium position (1st base). He might be your best prospect but that doesn't mean he's gonna fetch Noah Syndergaard. I don't think you would even get Shane Greene straight up for him just because there's going to be a lot of demand for high-end relievers at the deadline.

 

 

Greene is having a career year, but he is a “sell high” candidate whose nest asset is that he’s affordable for another year. With other closers on the market like Smith, Giles, and possibly Iglesias, Yates, and Vazquez, he’s not going to be the top subject on phone calls next month...

[moonslav59]

Greene is having a career year, but he is a “sell high” candidate whose nest asset is that he’s affordable for another year. With other closers on the market like Smith, Giles, and possibly Iglesias, Yates, and Vazquez, he’s not going to be the top subject on phone calls next month...

 

What if he struggles for the next few weeks?

[Kimmi]

My head is also not in the sand. This hole was dug by DD building a bullpen out of garbage and Cora thinking that the season starts in October. This squad, even with the garbage bullpen, should be at least 10 games over .500 — well within striking distance. Cora takes the biggest part of the blame. It was the dumbest approach that I have seen to a Spring camp.

 

As others have mentioned, the verdict on Cora's approach is still out. We will see how fresh and dominant our starters are come playoff time.

[Kimmi]

IMO, even if Wright and Eovaldi do great, we still need a closer or solid RP'er.

 

Yes, it will mean someone without an option will have to go beyond the one who has to go when everyone is healthy.

 

 

I don't think we need a shutdown closer. We do need some bullpen help though. We need solid depth help in the bullpen, and we need our starters to do their job.

[Kimmi]

I'd say you're partly right.

 

The Yankees are starved for success. They've won it all once since 2000. They haven't won the division since 2012. So they were definitely motivated to make some moves. And they had some payroll room.

 

The Red Sox had very little payroll room and they used it on Eovaldi and Pearce.

 

I think the criticisms of DD for doing nothing about the pen have some validity. That's about it. There was not much else he could do.

 

And yet, Hal seems very hesitant to get the Yankees the pitching help that they need. One, because he doesn't want to pay the price in prospects, and two, because he doesn't want to exceed the highest luxury tax threshold.

 

As far as the criticisms of Dombrowski for doing nothing about the pen, I think they are a little unfair. That said, if Dombrowski does not get some pen help very soon, then he deserves to be heavily criticized.

[Kimmi]

Mookie's career OPS by year:

 

2014 - .812

2015 - .820

2016 - .897

2017 - .803

2018 - 1.078

2019 - .850

 

2018 looks like an aberration to me, and we may not see him rise to that level again. .850 is about what we should expect from Mookie. I hope the front office doesn't make a Jacoby Ellsbury-like mistake in throwing too much money at him for an extension.

 

JDM seems to have a back that won't get better. I don't see him improving without extended rest. He hopefully will be better next year, provided he does the right offseason conditioning.

 

I don't expect Mookie to repeat last year's numbers, but I do expect him to be hitting a little better than he is this year. Same with JD. IMO, 2018 is the outlier for Mookie.

 

With that said, I agree with you about throwing too much money at Mookie for an extension. I also felt that way last year when he was OPSing 1.078.

[notin]

While it might be unfair to criticize DD for failing to improve the bullpen, it’s not unfair to criticize him for not even trying. When teams like Seattle and Detroit, both of whom aren’t trying to win anything this year, are out there making waiver claims for MLB relievers they think have a chance to contribute, DD has no excuse for doing absolutely nothing, especially for moves like this that have absolutely no risk...

[Kimmi]

I would count the Yankees out if they were performing like the Sox are. I would be worried that they might make it by the Wild Card.

 

Fair enough.

[Kimmi]

The goal is to win the World Series. Just ask a Dodger. Yeah, it's nice to be the NL champion. But they don't throw a parade for coming in second, do they?

 

Playing well going into October is a must. We can second guess all we want but I want to see the entire team healthy before I give up on this team.

 

They will go on a run at some point.

 

For me, Eovaldi returning to starting rotation will cure many of the pitching problems. He will lengthen our bullpen.

 

+1

 

The first goal is to make the playoffs. Winning the division would obviously be the desired route, but get to the playoffs somehow.

 

Then, watch the Yankees be deflated once again.

[Kimmi]

He’s 26 and you’re comparing his age 25 OPS to his OPS at ages 21 and 22 to determine that. Plenty of players step up their offensive game at his current age...

 

Amen, brother Notin.

[Kimmi]

While it might be unfair to criticize DD for failing to improve the bullpen, it’s not unfair to criticize him for not even trying. When teams like Seattle and Detroit, both of whom aren’t trying to win anything this year, are out there making waiver claims for MLB relievers they think have a chance to contribute, DD has no excuse for doing absolutely nothing, especially for moves like this that have absolutely no risk...

 

I do agree with you 100% on the 'no risk' moves.

[Bellhorn04]

No, but my hope is that maybe we trade Pearce & Thornburg while paying $1.7 out of the $2.7M owed at the deadline. Maybe we throw in Shawaryn to sweeten the deal,

 

The extra $1M helps us get a better pitcher (or two).

 

It's not about the other team wanting or needing Pearce or Thornburg. They may DFA them after the trade, but they get Shawaryn and can afford $1M.

 

So essentially we give up Shawaryn in return for $1 million.

 

This is one of the most peculiar and unlikely trade ideas I've ever seen. Original, though.

[moonslav59]

So essentially we give up Shawaryn in return for $1 million.

 

This is one of the most peculiar and unlikely trade ideas I've ever seen. Original, though.

 

Yes, and more importantly, $1M off the luxury tax budget.

 

I think teams have dumped salary along with a decent prospect in the past. I'm not sure the Sox have done it.

 

The NBA does it all the time, but theirs is a harder cap.

[moonslav59]

I don't think we need a shutdown closer. We do need some bullpen help though. We need solid depth help in the bullpen, and we need our starters to do their job.

 

I used to think this, but I no longer trust Barnes as our closer. I'd prefer to keep him and Workman as 8th inning set-up guys.

 

I think we need a solid closer- maybe not Wil Smith great but very solid.

[Bellhorn04]

Yes, and more importantly, $1M off the luxury tax budget.

 

I think teams have dumped salary along with a decent prospect in the past. I'm not sure the Sox have done it.

 

The NBA does it all the time, but theirs is a harder cap.

 

In your trade scenario, if Shawaryn turns out to be a good reliever, you gave up years of control of a good reliever all for the sake of saving a small amount of tax. That stinks.

[dannycater]

I pine for the days of Slocumb and Urbina.

[Bellhorn04]

I pine for the days of Slocumb and Urbina.

 

The Slocumb trade was wicked good though. Thanks Lou!

[notin]

In your trade scenario, if Shawaryn turns out to be a good reliever, you gave up years of control of a good reliever all for the sake of saving a small amount of tax. That stinks.

 

 

While he didn’t include anyone, wasn’t he going to get anyone back in that trade?