And the off season begins (2018-19)

[Bellhorn04]

Fellow free agent Trevor Cahill has 1.9 fWAR in 105 IP and no one is hinting at a 4 year $60mill deal for him...

 

Fair point.

 

Eovaldi did have the 22.1 postseason innings with a 1.61 ERA and .81 WHIP though.

 

He's a speculative play, that's for sure.

[cp176]

Actually the problem JD had was a lack of interest, and Boston was the only team that seemed to get any coverage for negotiating with him. That the Yankees and Dodgers basically sat out of the free agent market was probably a big factor.

 

Eovaldi, on the other hand, is reportedly already drawing a lot of interest per MLBTR. He’s probably helped by the Dodgers and Yankees getting back invoved and by being one of the better RHSP options available. Several teams will withdraw at some point for financial reasons or Eovaldi’s health history ( or more likely, a combination of the two). But if enough stay interested, it’s the exact opposite of JDM last year....

 

Boston got the coverage for sure but we don't know who actually had real interest in signing JD. 4 or 5 or maybe even more mystery teams. I think that there probably was quite a bit of interest, simply a situation where no one bit on the asking price. It is always just a guessing game regardless of how many times we read 4 years and 60. Doesn't mean that it is what he will get. I said earlier that something I like about DD is that he doesn't tip his hand. We might all be surprised at what gets done. Once again, I'm thinking that 28 year old with the beat up arm winds up back in Boston and I will be delighted.

[cp176]

It would be best.

 

Concise, clear and to the point -

 

I didn't have to wander through reams of ******** only to learn that your opinion because you have all of the significant data compiled must be the correct one.

 

This my friend is one of my favorite posts!

[cp176]

Now that we have Pearce, and even if we trade Swihart, I don't see where HRam gets any PAs.

 

I hope you know that I was just fooling around with the Slasher man. lol

[notin]

Boston got the coverage for sure but we don't know who actually had real interest in signing JD. 4 or 5 or maybe even more mystery teams. I think that there probably was quite a bit of interest, simply a situation where no one bit on the asking price. It is always just a guessing game regardless of how many times we read 4 years and 60. Doesn't mean that it is what he will get. I said earlier that something I like about DD is that he doesn't tip his hand. We might all be surprised at what gets done. Once again, I'm thinking that 28 year old with the beat up arm winds up back in Boston and I will be delighted.

 

While we will never know how many teams contacted Boras about JD, fabricating mystery teams in order to prove your point about DD’s masterful negotiations really doesn’t work. The situation with Eovaldi is already different as 8 teams have reportedly gone public with their interest in him. So the whole strategy that DD used to get Martinez on a good deal by waiting out Boras until the price came down already won’t work.

 

JD signed very late last year, which is the typical result from players with limited or less than expected interest. Eovaldi is already a hot commodity and could easily be among the first to sign. Maybe he does come back to Boston. But if he doesn’t, I can understand why DD would pass. It looks like the asking price is too much for the risk...

[cp176]

While we will never know how many teams contacted Boras about JD, fabricating mystery teams in order to prove your point about DD’s masterful negotiations really doesn’t work. The situation with Eovaldi is already different as 8 teams have reportedly gone public with their interest in him. So the whole strategy that DD used to get Martinez on a good deal by waiting out Boras until the price came down already won’t work.

 

JD signed very late last year, which is the typical result from players with limited or less than expected interest. Eovaldi is already a hot commodity and could easily be among the first to sign. Maybe he does come back to Boston. But if he doesn’t, I can understand why DD would pass. It looks like the asking price is too much for the risk...

 

Hey look - I couldn't get past the part where you said that I fabricated mystery teams. I didn't fabricate anything. That expression was used numerous times lat year. Not sure notin why you feel you have to do that stuff. Kind of like the "internet doctor" you claimed that I dreamed up. I don't think that I have to do much to try to convince anyone that DD is masterful at what he does.

[sk7326]

He’s always had that blazing fastball.

 

But even with better pitches, how good do people think he is? If he wasn’t on the Sox last year, would fans really want to be all in on a SP coming off a season of 111 IP with an ERA+ of 112 for 4 years $60mill? If so, what’s the going rate for Trevor Cahill, whose coming off a season of 110 IP with an ERA+ of 109? Those results are practically identical.

 

He did not have the cutter which is frankly what has rescued his career. His fastball was never effective, but the pitch sequence has changed things.

 

Now, he has 111 IP over 4 months basically since his TJS. If the market thinks he can deliver ~500 innings at the clip he provided this year, that's probably a 20 million dollar pitcher. I mean that amply described Porcello - and that deal has worked out reasonably. (not GREAT, but reasonably)

 

Right now the best thing he has going for him is that he did not wear down this year and made all of his starts, and finished strong. I would not blame the Red Sox if the bidding got too hot for, say, deciding a healthy Pomeranz and then diving into the Derek Holland/Anibal Sanchez/Matt Harvey pool would be a better use of resources.

[d-money]

Skanks making moves. Just got Paxton but had to give up Justus. I am curious to see how much spending the skanks will do to unseed us.

[moonslav59]

He also had a 2.2 fWAR in 111 innings. That's pretty good.

 

I never said he was bad.

 

People are talking about Eovaldi replacing Porcello and being under contract through the years we will be struggling to keep our stars.

 

What was Porcello's fWAR?

 

Sale?

 

Betts?

 

Bogey?

 

JBJ?

 

JD?

 

I'm hopeful it won't come down to either/or, but I think it will.

[moonslav59]

I hope you know that I was just fooling around with the Slasher man. lol

 

Phew!

 

Confidence restored!

[notin]

Skanks making moves. Just got Paxton but had to give up Justus. I am curious to see how much spending the skanks will do to unseed us.

 

That's a big deal for the Yankees.

 

On the bright side, losing Sheffield makes it that much harder for them to get Kluber...

[notin]

Fair point.

 

Eovaldi did have the 22.1 postseason innings with a 1.61 ERA and .81 WHIP though.

 

He's a speculative play, that's for sure.

 

And I think his post-season heroics are ones people are speculating he can maintain for 4 years.

 

He' a good pitcher, but in his case the risk might outweigh how good he is. If he comes back, I hope it's a short deal that doesn't prohibit keeping other players.

 

And really, as much as I have said it would be a bad idea to bring back Kimbrel, this team lost like 128 innings from the bullpen that someone needs to be able to pitch...

[cp176]

I would like to see Eovaldi signed by the Red Sox for 3 with a possible option because he is 28 and would likely provide us with a solid solid mid to upper rotation game for the length of his contract. He has a rebuilt arm and many think that his best years are ahead of him. His post season heroics were outstanding for sure but certainly alone do not give reason to sign him - not by a long shot. Pretty sure everybody knows that. What we did see out of this kid was the grit and determination you really see in true winners not the make believe kind. He has suffered a lot and has dealt with it well. I don't think that the teams interested in signing this kid up are doing so simply based on what they saw this past post-season. There obviously is something special about him to go along with the fact that he consistently throws strikes and can generate speeds of between 98-102 mph on a devastating fastball. No he is not the next coming of Nolan Ryan but he very well could be a great catch for whatever team signs him. I hope that it us.

[moonslav59]

I would like to see Eovaldi signed by the Red Sox for 3 with a possible option because he is 28 and would likely provide us with a solid solid mid to upper rotation game for the length of his contract. He has a rebuilt arm and many think that his best years are ahead of him. His post season heroics were outstanding for sure but certainly alone do not give reason to sign him - not by a long shot. Pretty sure everybody knows that. What we did see out of this kid was the grit and determination you really see in true winners not the make believe kind. He has suffered a lot and has dealt with it well. I don't think that the teams interested in signing this kid up are doing so simply based on what they saw this past post-season. There obviously is something special about him to go along with the fact that he consistently throws strikes and can generate speeds of between 98-102 mph on a devastating fastball. No he is not the next coming of Nolan Ryan but he very well could be a great catch for whatever team signs him. I hope that it us.

 

Nathan certainly showed grit and determination. He was also very impressed by how he was treated by the club after that 18 inning loss. I'd love to have him back. He seems like a real "gamer", even though the sample size is smaller than Price's was when many were calling him a choker/loser.

 

He turns 29 before the season starts and doesn't have a lot of innings on his arm, but two TJ surgeries are concerning, and he'll likely want and find an offer for over 2 years- more likely 4.

 

Not knowing what Henry's tax re-set plans (if any) are, it's hard for me to be all in on bringing him back. I love the guy. I'll never forget what he did for us, when it counted.

 

$60M/4 is a pretty big risk. I'm torn. I can see both sides of this choice.

 

There's not much else out there, in terms of RH'd starters, but we do need pen help more, so it it's either/or, I'm leaning 2 solid pen arms instead.

 

[Larry Cook]

The yankee trade was extremely interesting. They got an exceptional lefty with great stuff for their top prospect and two fill in pieces.

 

If Paxton stays healthy, he makes the Yankees better.

 

If Sheffield hits his ceiling, he makes this trade look bad for New York.

 

I would like to see us counter by trading for the reds closer!

[moonslav59]

The yankee trade was extremely interesting. They got an exceptional lefty with great stuff for their top prospect and two fill in pieces.

 

If Paxton stays healthy, he makes the Yankees better.

 

If Sheffield hits his ceiling, he makes this trade look bad for New York.

 

I would like to see us counter by trading for the reds closer!

 

We don't have any Sheffields. The farm some said would be rebuilt has not happened.

[sk7326]

The yankee trade was extremely interesting. They got an exceptional lefty with great stuff for their top prospect and two fill in pieces.

 

If Paxton stays healthy, he makes the Yankees better.

 

If Sheffield hits his ceiling, he makes this trade look bad for New York.

 

I would like to see us counter by trading for the reds closer!

 

It's a good trade for the Yankees to make ... that said durability has not been Paxton's forte

[jacksonianmarch]

We don't have any Sheffields. The farm some said would be rebuilt has not happened.

 

And the one thing the Yanks have in spades is pitching in the minors. Dealing off DTW isn’t a major hit to the talent on the offensive side, and we moved two guys who either were already on the 40 man or who would need 40 man protection in a crowded bunch. Our pitching prospects are now headlined by top 100 guys in Abreu and Loiasiga as well as Acevedo and the 19 yr old phenom Garcia.

[cp176]

We don't have any Sheffields. The farm some said would be rebuilt has not happened.

 

We have to stop meeting like this. I suggested last month that the farm was going to be rebuilt. It is apt to take more than a month.

[notin]

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We don't have any Sheffields. The farm some said would be rebuilt has not happened.

 

If the Sox sign Eovaldi, will they spend on a reliever?

 

And as they lost about 125 IP from the pen that needs to be replaced, what do they have to trade for another one? One of these relievers will likely be the closer.

 

I think their trade chips include Chavis, Johnson and a catcher (not Leon; he adds nothing to a trade).

 

Reportedly the Sox are working Swihart out as s catcher. This might be to increase his trade appeal, or to make Vazquez available. There seem to be a lot of teams that need catchers right now, and Realmuto and Ramos can only fill two voids (really one, as Miami will need a catcher once they trade Realmuto)...

[jacksonianmarch]

I think a dark horse in the Realmuto market is LA. 2 of their top prospects are catchers, so they can move Realmuto while they’re in contention mode and Miami gets a ready made replacement

[notin]

I think a dark horse in the Realmuto market is LA. 2 of their top prospects are catchers, so they can move Realmuto while they’re in contention mode and Miami gets a ready made replacement

 

While possible, they do have Austin Barnes, who fits type athletic mold of Realmuto. But he isn’t the all around player JT is...

[jacksonianmarch]

Austin Barnes cannot hit. Realmuto is a middle of the order type hitter. The Dodgers have two prospects that profile as hitting catchers.

[notin]

Austin Barnes cannot hit. Realmuto is a middle of the order type hitter. The Dodgers have two prospects that profile as hitting catchers.

 

True.

 

But this keeps them in the dark horse category. They do appear to like Barnes.

 

Houston, on the other hand, did not pick up McCann’s option and has an excellent farm. I think of them as front runners for Realmuto. But the Marlins could insist on Whitley, which would be a deal breaker...

[Larry Cook]

True.

 

But this keeps them in the dark horse category. They do appear to like Barnes.

 

Houston, on the other hand, did not pick up McCann’s option and has an excellent farm. I think of them as front runners for Realmuto. But the Marlins could insist on Whitley, which would be a deal breaker...

 

I think Atlanta has offered the most for realmuto, but jeter is hesitant to trade within the division.

[notin]

I think Atlanta has offered the most for realmuto, but jeter is hesitant to trade within the division.

 

They’re an excellent second choice...

[Spudboy]

I think Atlanta has offered the most for realmuto, but jeter is hesitant to trade within the division.

 

Jeter being reluctant to trade within the division to a 1st place contender is dumb if true.

 

His team is no where near contending as I see things.

 

It's not like trading the guy to Atlanta would stifle a Miami run to the playoffs.

[notin]

Jeter being reluctant to trade within the division to a 1st place contender is dumb if true.

 

His team is no where near contending as I see things.

 

It's not like trading the guy to Atlanta would stifle a Miami run to the playoffs.

 

Not to mention how smart an idea it is to build your team’s future while simultaneously weakening the future of a division rival...

[BillyWilliams]

Jeter being reluctant to trade within the division to a 1st place contender is dumb if true.

 

His team is no where near contending as I see things.

 

It's not like trading the guy to Atlanta would stifle a Miami run to the playoffs.

 

But there's no proof to Jeter feeling this way aside from larry cook's post.......

 

He may just be holding out for the best deal.

[Station 13]

I think a dark horse in the Realmuto market is LA. 2 of their top prospects are catchers, so they can move Realmuto while they’re in contention mode and Miami gets a ready made replacement

 

Miami doesn't even care. They got squat for their two former MVPs. They will screw this up.