Hanley DFA’d

[harmony]

MassLive presents many developing sides of the Hanley Ramirez story:

 

https://www.masslive.com/expo/sports/erry-2018/06/9ba17785cc6148/hanley_ramirez_rumors_what_we.html

[Hitch]

i was referring to the person who broke the story on Hanley. That person didn’t know who he was. Of course there was plenty of opinion about it after the story dropped. That was natural. The irresponsible act was the initial reporting of the story. My opinion that I would stay out of the country for a while if I was Hanley was not a slam at him or a prejudgment of him. It is sound advice to wait until the authorities have time to sort out the issue and hopefully clear him. That would be better than coming back during the investigation and possibly being detained and/or interrogated.

 

And I was referring to the amount of people who commented on that story without waiting for all the facts and/or more sides of the story. Dismissing hurried and dangerous opinions and not waiting for all the facts to come forward as 'of course people will give opinion' is as lazy as it harmful. There was irresponsible behaviour all round.

 

And there is no way a reporter did not know who Hanley Ramirez was before they posted. They would have done background on the person before reporting his name.

 

The fact that the US have an extradition treaty with DR means whether he comes back or not means little. If they want him, they will have him.

Edited June 25, 2018 by Hitch

[a700hitter]

And I was referring to the amount of people who commented on that story without waiting for all the facts and/or more sides of the story. Dismissing hurried and dangerous opinions and not waiting for all the facts to come forward as 'of course people will give opinion' is as lazy as it harmful. There was irresponsible behaviour all round.

 

And there is no way a reporter did not know who Hanley Ramirez was before they posted. They would have done background on the person before reporting his name.

 

The fact that the US have an extradition treaty with DR means whether he comes back or not means little. If they want him, they will have him.

The reporter knew that he was on the Red Sox,but didn’t know anything about him. As for what people said about it, all I know is what I read here. I don’t think anyone here prejudged his guilt. Everyone on TalkSox has hoped that he would be cleared.

 

Edit : As for extradition, it is a fairly cumbersome process. They are not going to seek extradition to interrogate him or try to flip him on the perpetrator.

Edited June 25, 2018 by a700hitter

[S5Dewey]

Or course I've written nothing of the sort.

 

Most stories have many sides. I simply provided another perspective without an endorsement.

 

"Lawyerspeak" at it's best.

[harmony]

"Lawyerspeak" at it's best.

Of course I was the first on this thread to disclose that the Boston Globe had reported that Hanley Ramirez was not under federal investigation:

 

https://www.talksox.com/forum/threads/18666-Hanley-DFA%E2%80%99d?p=1155575#post1155575

 

I've linked multiple sides of this story.

 

Objectivity is a heavy cross to bear.

[cp176]

The "I love Hanley sticker" never hit me in the head I guess. From a promising beginning career that saw him traded in spite of the enormous talent , and he did have talent, to today. I never heard anything really confirmed but I think that we all are aware of the rumors as to why the Sox traded him in the first place. As the years have gone by, crap about his attitude has followed him everywhere he has gone. When he could hit, he was tolerable - now not so much. In this particular instance, in today's world maybe people don't want to judged by the company they keep. That is just the way it goes I guess. I have no feeling for Ramirez at all. He is gone. I will always believe that there was more to the story of his release than fear of him getting to that option.

[S5Dewey]

Of course I was the first on this thread to disclose that the Boston Globe had reported that Hanley Ramirez was not under federal investigation:

 

https://www.talksox.com/forum/threads/18666-Hanley-DFA%E2%80%99d?p=1155575#post1155575

 

I've linked multiple sides of this story.

 

Objectivity is a heavy cross to bear.

 

You also posted this:

Boston Globe reporter Michele McPhee reportedly claims that Hanley Ramirez was "cleared" only by an unidentified defense attorney:

 

While objectivity is a heavy cross so is trolling and managing to do it with plausible deniability.

[Spudboy]

Burn.

[harmony]

You also posted this:

Boston Globe reporter Michele McPhee reportedly claims that Hanley Ramirez was "cleared" only by an unidentified defense attorney:

 

While objectivity is a heavy cross so is trolling and managing to do it with plausible deniability.

Don't fall into the trap of adopting only the reports that support your desired narrative.

 

I presume Hanley Ramirez to be innocent but remain skeptical of all media reports from the McPhee tweet to the defense attorney’s refutation.

[harmony]

A reputable source, Reuters, reports that a Drug Enforcement Administration affidavit indicated that the suspect told police that Hanley Ramirez had no involvement with the drugs:

 

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-baseball-mlb-bos-hanleyramirez/court-documents-authorities-arent-investigating-hanley-ramirez-idUSKBN1JL0WY

[Kimmi]

I think teams aer willing to, but not with an offer he likes. Adam Lind was willing to accept a minor league deal. Hanley may not be so inclined. He's a 3 time all star, 4 time top ten MVP and former Rookie of the Year. The idea of having to prove himself again by playing games after long bus rides might not be a situation he is looking forward to.

 

I'd be very surprised if he has not gotten any minor league offers. But I can also see why very few teams are willing to give him an MLB-minimum chance and a 25-man roster spot right now, given his performance and the positions he can still handle.

 

As for this report, it's not like he is looking for a multi-year deal and teams are faced with the risk of signing him thinking he might have pending legal issues. For a minimum wage deal, they could simply release him if there was anything to the allegations with no harm done. The reason that hasn't happened yet is probably the lack of deals that interest him.

 

He very well might be retired by choice right now...

 

According to Hanley, he is currently not signed by another team by his choice. That makes sense to me.

 

All I'm saying is that I hope that no team would choose not to sign him based on these apparently false accusations.

[Kimmi]

Boston Globe reporter Michele McPhee reportedly claims that Hanley Ramirez was "cleared" only by an unidentified defense attorney:

 

https://weei.radio.com/blogs/alex-reimer/michele-mcphee-kc-defends-her-reporting-hanley-ramirez-boston-globe-backs-exactly

 

It's possible that there might still be more coming out about Hanley's involvement, but it also sounds like McPhee is just trying to cover her butt for potentially harming a good man's reputation and character.

[Kimmi]

No one “believed” anything about him. It is the nature of instantaneous news in the Internet age. There is a lot of irresponsible news reporting that is improperly sourced and unverified. The person that dropped the bomb on Hanley didn’t know anything about him.

 

Oh please. A lot of people immediately believed the worst about Hanley.

[Kimmi]

If Hanley continued his horrible May into June, his fWAR would be way worse. His current season total is boosted due to his April.

 

Only two players had a worse May: Lewis Brinson and Chris Davis. You could make a case that both of these guys aren't MLB value right now.

 

OTOH, if Hanley rebounded from his horrible May back to his April numbers, his fWAR could get much better.

[Kimmi]

She also clarifies that she never said Hanley was under investigation.

 

No, but her headline was that Hanley was 'being eyed'. That's more or less the same thing.

[Kimmi]

Absolute nonsense. There were reactions everywhere to it when the news article broke. There were posts in here of 'I knew there was more to it' and you even posted (and repeated) 'I wouldn't come back to the US for a while if I was Hanley'. All off one news report very low in fact, very high in insinuations.

 

However, I do agree that it is the nature of the instantaneous news age. Why people recognise that and still jump in feet first is anyone's guess, however.

 

You are once again correct in your observations.

[Kimmi]

Hmm. Hanley is guilty of associating with a scum drug dealer. This situation is of his own doing. If he had not been friendly with this drug dealer the reporter would have had nothing to report.

 

The guy has made over 140 mil from what I have read. My heart pumps piss for him.

 

I was hoping he would catch-on with a team this season and would at least partially resurrect his career. I think he can still hit well enough to contribute.

 

But now he is on the outside looking in and is probably done. He is presently playing golf and having a nice life ( from what he posts on FB, anyway ).

 

You are assuming that Hanley had any knowledge of his friend's scumbag drug dealing. If Hanley did have such knowledge, then I would agree with you.

 

I'm going to give Hanley the benefit of the doubt.

[Kimmi]

The reporter knew that he was on the Red Sox,but didn’t know anything about him. As for what people said about it, all I know is what I read here. I don’t think anyone here prejudged his guilt. Everyone on TalkSox has hoped that he would be cleared.

 

Edit : As for extradition, it is a fairly cumbersome process. They are not going to seek extradition to interrogate him or try to flip him on the perpetrator.

 

Hoping that Hanley would be cleared and prejudging his guilt are not mutually exclusive.

[a700hitter]

You are assuming that Hanley had any knowledge of his friend's scumbag drug dealing. If Hanley did have such knowledge, then I would agree with you.

 

I'm going to give Hanley the benefit of the doubt.

He said that he was associating with a scum drug dealer. He didn't say that he had knowledge of the guys activities, but he'd have to be a major imbecile not to know what the guy was all about if he had pulled down $140 million in drug money.

[a700hitter]

Hoping that Hanley would be cleared and prejudging his guilt are not mutually exclusive.

No one hear prejudged his guilt. Maybe elsewhere, but not here. He was ensnared in the matter. There is no side-stepping that. That doesn't mean that he is guilty.

[Spudboy]

You are assuming that Hanley had any knowledge of his friend's scumbag drug dealing. If Hanley did have such knowledge, then I would agree with you.

 

I'm going to give Hanley the benefit of the doubt.

 

No Kimmi I am saying just the opposite. Hanley was stupid to associate with this person. I do not believe that he knew this scumbag was running drugs. That is his own fault.

 

He made the choice to hang with this "bud", a fellow countryman. All the while he had no knowledge of him being a criminal. That is just plain f***ing stupid.

 

If he had knowledge that the guy was moving drugs he is even stupider. But I never said that he did know.

 

The guy is a f***ing dumb f*** either way.

[a700hitter]

No Kimmi I am saying just the opposite. Hanley was stupid to associate with this person. I do not believe that he knew this scumbag was running drugs. That is his own fault.

 

He made the choice to hang with this "bud", a fellow countryman. All the while he had no knowledge of him being a criminal. That is just plain f***ing stupid.

 

If he had knowledge that the guy was moving drugs he is even stupider. But I never said that he did know.

 

The guy is a f***ing dumb f*** either way.

Let's not prejudge Hanley's stupidity. LOL!!

[Kimmi]

No Kimmi I am saying just the opposite. Hanley was stupid to associate with this person. I do not believe that he knew this scumbag was running drugs. That is his own fault.

 

He made the choice to hang with this "bud", a fellow countryman. All the while he had no knowledge of him being a criminal. That is just plain f***ing stupid.

 

If he had knowledge that the guy was moving drugs he is even stupider. But I never said that he did know.

 

The guy is a f***ing dumb f*** either way.

 

I don't agree with your statement that Hanley brought this onto himself if he did not have any knowledge that the guy was dealing drugs.

[Kimmi]

No one hear prejudged his guilt. Maybe elsewhere, but not here. He was ensnared in the matter. There is no side-stepping that. That doesn't mean that he is guilty.

 

Yes, they did.

[a700hitter]

Yes, they did.

I must have missed that.

[a700hitter]

Yes, they did.

I looked back over the thread. Who prejudged his guilt on this? Even Harmony who was trolling the issue because the “Option” issue is finally settled did not prejudge his guilt.

[Spudboy]

I don't agree with your statement that Hanley brought this onto himself if he did not have any knowledge that the guy was dealing drugs.

 

LOL!!! Hanley is the only one to blame for being associated with the drug guy. Therefore whatever comes from that "friendship" that adversely affects Hanley is his responsibility.

[harmony]

I looked back over the thread. Who prejudged his guilt on this? Even Harmony who was trolling the issue because the “Option” issue is finally settled did not prejudge his guilt.

You've written on this thread that "There is a lot of irresponsible news reporting that is improperly sourced and unverified."

 

https://www.talksox.com/forum/threads/18666-Hanley-DFA%E2%80%99d?p=1155707#post1155707

 

Was the report that Hanley Ramirez is not under federal investigation properly sourced and verified?

 

I've read that a DEA affidavit stated that the suspect said Hanley Ramirez was not involved with the drugs. So we have the reported word of a suspected drug dealer.

 

I've read a report that the suspect's defense attorney said that Ramirez is not under federal investigation. So we have the reported word of a defense attorney who presumably is not directly involved in the law enforcement investigation.

 

Is the conclusion that Ramirez is not under federal investigation properly sourced and verified?

 

Ramirez deserves the presumption of innocence but I've read scant information -- incriminating or exculpatory -- from credible sources.

 

Regardless, I wish Ramirez well.

[a700hitter]

LOL!!! Hanley is the only one to blame for being associated with the drug guy. Therefore whatever comes from that "friendship" that adversely affects Hanley is his responsibility.

I understand that the guy wants some friends from his home country and I am also sure that there are lots of Dominicans in the Boston area that work hard at unglamorous jobs that would love to be friends with their famous countryman, but he chose the company of a dirtbag drug dealer. He is responsible for his choices.

[Hitch]

The reporter knew that he was on the Red Sox,but didn’t know anything about him. As for what people said about it, all I know is what I read here. I don’t think anyone here prejudged his guilt. Everyone on TalkSox has hoped that he would be cleared.

 

Edit : As for extradition, it is a fairly cumbersome process. They are not going to seek extradition to interrogate him or try to flip him on the perpetrator.

 

So the reporter did know it was him? So your line of: "i was referring to the person who broke the story on Hanley. That person didn’t know who he was." is completely false?

 

Even if it were the case (which it clearly isn't) they would have known who Hanley was within 10 minutes of hearing his name for the first time. To now say that they knew he was on the Red Sox, but didn't know anything about him before they posted is so absurd a comment there's very little else needs saying on the matter.