Pedroia undergoes microfracture surgery

[S5Dewey]

You can be friends off the field, but on the field you back your brothers in the uniform over friends on the other side. Pedroia violated the code. If he was on one of my teams back in the day, he’d have gotten his ass kicked. You never show up your brothers and when they defend you, you back them up 100%

 

This! ^^^ Jax gets it!

[mvp 78]

I just think there's a whole other side to the story, which is that Farrell bungled the whole thing. There's a right way and a wrong way to retaliate. The Sox did it the right way this year against the Yanks. They did it quickly and Kelly threw the beanball at around waist level. Last year the Sox delayed the response, they dicked around with it, Barnes threw at Machado's head - they f***ed it up completely.

 

Yup, Farrell messed up this and the Price situation last year big time. I blame Pedey, but Farrell too for not being a leader.

[notin]

Also, Cora giving an update today rather than reassuring the masses the moment he heard something makes it sound ominous. It might not be, but the Sox don’t usually keep their fans in suspense over good news. I wonder if there’s another procedure in the offing

 

If you're going to play the "honor the code" card, your teammate has to honor it too. You throw at his hip. You throw at his back. Anyway but the head. When you throw at another player's head, you're not retaliating. You're attacking.

 

But then I'm not so sure this "code" is as big of a deal for MLB players as it is for high school and college. At this level, it's a career and a business and players on the other team are colleagues on some level and also fellow union members. And in some cases, friends...

[a700hitter]

I just think there's a whole other side to the story, which is that Farrell bungled the whole thing. There's a right way and a wrong way to retaliate. The Sox did it the right way this year against the Yanks. They did it quickly and Kelly threw the beanball at around waist level. Last year the Sox delayed the response, they dicked around with it, Barnes threw at Machado's head - they f***ed it up completely.

Whether Farrell bungled the retaliation or not, there is no other side to Oefroia’s guck move. None. Not even a debatable issue, and I love Pedey.

[a700hitter]

If someone without Pedey’s stature in the locker room had done what he had done, he would have had a big problem in the clubhouse. He is Pedey, and they are familiar with his act (which at times he acts like a dick), so they swept it away. But it was unquestionably the wrong thing to do.

[Yaz Fan Since 67]

Totally disagree that it was the wrong thing to do, but this is coming from a guy who thinks throwing at anyone to get back after a play that had no malice is wrong. But as posted before throwing at the hip is one thing, the head is completely different and over the line. I get the teammates thing but if it were my friend who could have been seriously hurt or worse and he came to me with a WTF was that? I'd want the record set straight.

[Slasher9]

Totally disagree that it was the wrong thing to do' date=' but this is coming from a guy who thinks throwing at anyone to get back after a play that had no malice is wrong. But as posted before throwing at the hip is one thing, the head is completely different and over the line. I get the teammates thing but if it were my friend who could have been seriously hurt or worse and he came to me with a WTF was that? I'd want the record set straight.[/quote']

Your last 2 sentences i am good with. but he shouldnt have shouted it across the diamond. he could have sent him a text later.......

[jacksonianmarch]

Your last 2 sentences i am good with. but he shouldnt have shouted it across the diamond. he could have sent him a text later.......

 

We are agreeing too much nowadays. Totally agree. Don't show up your teammates on the field. Sort it out after

[a700hitter]

Your last 2 sentences i am good with. but he shouldnt have shouted it across the diamond. he could have sent him a text later.......

In summary, it was a dick move by Pedroia, regardless of any lameness by Farrell etc. It should have been handled in private like the clubhouse handled the situation with Pedey. There is no other side on this.

[cp176]

There have been a couple here who have mentioned Barnes throwing at Machado's head. You have no idea what spot Barnes was trying to hit. I wouldn't be so quick to assume something like this. I felt at the time the wrong guy was being asked to throw at someone anyway. I would have liked to have seen someone with a little more experience doing that job if in fact the intention was to hit him at all. Don't ask a youngster to do a big boy's job.

[Yaz Fan Since 67]

Your last 2 sentences i am good with. but he shouldnt have shouted it across the diamond. he could have sent him a text later.......

 

 

It was in the heat of the moment, his friend challenged him and he responded. If he had to do it again maybe you're right. But then again maybe he was pissed at his teammate for throwing at his friend's head too. Seems to me that was in play by the way he responded to Machado.

 

But as I said this entire throwing at batters thing is so stupid, I've always felt that way. "That's the way it's always been" is not a good reason to keep doing stupid, dangerous stuff. And throwing at batters to get back at them, often for just hitting a home run or after a teammate unintentionally hit a batter, is juvenile and just leads to bigger problems. It doesn't "protect" teammates, it just puts them in the line of fire for the next retaliation.

Edited June 6, 2018 by Yaz Fan Since '67

[jad]

It was in the heat of the moment, his friend challenged him and he responded. If he had to do it again maybe you're right. But then again maybe he was pissed at his teammate for throwing at his friend's head too. Seems to me that was in play by the way he responded to Machado.

 

But as I said this entire throwing at batters thing is so stupid, I've always felt that way. "That's the way it's always been" is not a good reason to keep doing stupid, dangerous stuff. And throwing at batters to get back at them, often for just hitting a home run or after a teammate unintentionally hit a batter, is juvenile and just leads to bigger problems. It doesn't "protect" teammates, it just puts them in the line of fire for the next retaliation.

 

My favorite retaliation for breaking some dumb-ass code was when someone threw at Nunez because he had previously taken a big rip and missed. Like it's an insult to swing hard.

[Kimmi]

Pedroia messed up with his comment. I'm not trying to argue that. But that does not mean that he's not a leader or that he's a bad teammate. He simply messed up. Everyone messes up from time to time. Papi had a couple of not so stellar moments.

 

As far as whether Barnes was throwing at Machado's head, I can't believe that he was. I think he was aiming lower and just lost control.

[Natick to NC]

Love Pedey but I'd rather we trade for Scooter and get that bat out of that wasteland in Cincy .

[a700hitter]

Pedroia messed up with his comment. I'm not trying to argue that. But that does not mean that he's not a leader or that he's a bad teammate. He simply messed up. Everyone messes up from time to time. Papi had a couple of not so stellar moments.

 

As far as whether Barnes was throwing at Machado's head, I can't believe that he was. I think he was aiming lower and just lost control.

Agreed. He messed up. There are no if’s and or buts. A mistake doesn’t define a career. He has had a few dick moves in his career. I am not remembering any instances where Papi threw his team under the bus or acted like a dick.

[Slasher9]

Agreed. He messed up. There are no if’s and or buts. A mistake doesn’t define a career. He has had a few dick moves in his career. I am not remembering any instances where Papi threw his team under the bus or acted like a dick.

 

The bat to the phone and the accosting the official scorer to change an E to a hit are kind of dicky....

[a700hitter]

The bat to the phone and the accosting the official scorer to change an E to a hit are kind of dicky....

Yes, but those did not affect his teammates, unless they wanted to make a phone call.

[Slasher9]

Yes, but those did not affect his teammates, unless they wanted to make a phone call.

 

Lol. Good point.

[Yaz Fan Since 67]

So can anyone shed light on the injury? Report during the game last night sounded kind of positive, or was that relaying what the team hopes is the case?

[cp176]

Holt to second and Nunez everywhere else for me.

[mvp 78]

Holt to second and Nunez everywhere else for me.

 

I wouldn't be worried about this plan if I thought Nunez was healthy.

[cp176]

I wouldn't be worried about this plan if I thought Nunez was healthy.

 

I would put Holt there and leave him there. He is a better second baseman than Nunez. Nunez still plays just as much but at a few different positions. it isn't Pedroia's bat out there that will be missed the most.

[Carbo-Diem]

Put Pedey on the Pablo/Hanley/Rusney bus to "sunk cost" city.

[Spudboy]

Put Pedey on the Pablo/Hanley/Rusney bus to "sunk cost" city.

 

The fork is rapidly catching up with him.

[Station 13]

Pedroia is a name that need to fade out fast. It's gotten so old now. He's the new Wakefield.

[mvp 78]

Pedroia is a name that need to fade out fast. It's gotten so old now. He's the new Wakefield.

 

Good news is that he'll be on payroll through 2021 thanks to his below market deal.

[Kimmi]

Don't worry guys, I will save room for all of you on the Pedroia bandwagon when he comes back and contributes to our World Series ring.

[Bellhorn04]

Don't worry guys, I will save room for all of you on the Pedroia bandwagon when he comes back and contributes to our World Series ring.

 

I'm with you on this Kimmi.

[cp176]

I think that everybody would love to see a youthful healthy Pedroia come back to help the team. Guess the debate here isn't about who likes him or who questions the ability that he has (had?). How much faith do you have that he is going to make a healthy return? I want it to happen but I just don't think that the situation looks all that good. If the stars align and he does come back healed, I'm pretty sure that everyone will be pleased.

[Bellhorn04]

Good news is that he'll be on payroll through 2021 thanks to his below market deal.

 

Yeah, we should never sign anyone to anything longer than a 2 year deal. Mookie Betts? Forget him. Little guy, already has oblique issues.