Pedroia undergoes microfracture surgery

[jacksonianmarch]

He’s out until at least late May. Probably looking at the ASB

[Bellhorn04]

Thanks Manny!

[Spudboy]

There was an interview published yesterday with David Wright. In it he lays out what he went through when he had similar surgery. It's pretty f***ing gruesome.

 

I don't count on Pedroia for anything in 2018 and I don't see ERod doing much either.

 

DD needs to go shopping for a #4 type or dumpster dive like Fister and he needs to find a decent 2nd baseman.

 

I doubt that he can fix all that is wrong with this team to the extent that they get to the WS in 2018.

[Bellhorn04]

I'm thinking Brock Holt will be back after all.

[Spudboy]

I'm thinking Brock Holt will be back after all.

 

I have never doubted this.

[Fan_since_Boggs]

I'm not going to go on and on about how much I hate the C.Sale trade, but, boy, do I hate that trade. If we don't make it, we add power to the lineup at 2b with Moncada (I think he will be a 30-30 player with a ton of strikeouts) and Kopech is one of he best SP prospects in the game.

 

I know C.Sale was great and the Red Sox don't win the division without him, but he was brought here to do more than win the division--he was brought here to help in October and he totally failed in that regard. In addition, it will take a few years, but just like you expected A.Rizzo to eventually surpass A.Gonzalez as a player, I would expect Kopech to be a better SP than Sale in a few seasons. That's when the trade will really hurt.

[Kimmi]

The FO is saying that Pedroia will be baseball ready in 7 months, which puts his return around the end of May. I'll believe that when I see it. These return timetables have a way of getting pushed back 1 or 2 times.

 

Marco Hernandez has been named as an internal option while Pedroia is out. I'd be fine with that, if indeed Pedroia makes it back in 7 months. But Dombrowski has to have a good Plan B.

[Kimmi]

I'm not going to go on and on about how much I hate the C.Sale trade, but, boy, do I hate that trade. If we don't make it, we add power to the lineup at 2b with Moncada (I think he will be a 30-30 player with a ton of strikeouts) and Kopech is one of he best SP prospects in the game.

 

I know C.Sale was great and the Red Sox don't win the division without him, but he was brought here to do more than win the division--he was brought here to help in October and he totally failed in that regard. In addition, it will take a few years, but just like you expected A.Rizzo to eventually surpass A.Gonzalez as a player, I would expect Kopech to be a better SP than Sale in a few seasons. That's when the trade will really hurt.

 

I wouldn't say that I hated the trade, but I definitely was not as ecstatic as most people here were. That said I love having Sale on the team. Way to soon to know how this pans out in the long run.

[fxkatt]

Betts back at second base. Stanton in right. 18 wins from Sale. We're good to go.

[FredLynn]

Having had microfracture surgery (shoulder) I can say that for me at least it was useless. The cartilage that is formed is of poor quality. I would think that it being exposed to repeated trauma that professional athletes subject the new cartilage to means an even lower success rate. Probably time for Pedroia to hang them up.

Here is one article that supports what I believe to be true:

 

"This research review in the Journal Arthroscopy reviewed 15 higher quality research papers that had been published about the effectiveness of microfracture. These studies usually compared the outcomes (how well patients fared) of microfracture to other cartilage repair techniques. Their conclusions? The majority of the studies reported poor clinical outcomes and two reported no improvements in the treated patients. Small-sized lesions and younger patients showed good results in the short-term. However, treatment failure could be expected within 5 years even in patients with small cartilage lesions.

 

The upshot? When you look at the high quality studies published on microfracture, despite its widespread use, it doesn’t work well. So why are we still performing this surgery?

 

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[bosoxmal]

I would no more count on Pedy for the future than I would Hanley.

[jacksonianmarch]

Having had microfracture surgery (shoulder) I can say that for me at least it was useless. The cartilage that is formed is of poor quality. I would think that it being exposed to repeated trauma that professional athletes subject the new cartilage to means an even lower success rate. Probably time for Pedroia to hang them up.

Here is one article that supports what I believe to be true:

 

"This research review in the Journal Arthroscopy reviewed 15 higher quality research papers that had been published about the effectiveness of microfracture. These studies usually compared the outcomes (how well patients fared) of microfracture to other cartilage repair techniques. Their conclusions? The majority of the studies reported poor clinical outcomes and two reported no improvements in the treated patients. Small-sized lesions and younger patients showed good results in the short-term. However, treatment failure could be expected within 5 years even in patients with small cartilage lesions.

 

The upshot? When you look at the high quality studies published on microfracture, despite its widespread use, it doesn’t work well. So why are we still performing this surgery?

 

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They're still performing the surgery because its the last resort before telling an athlete that their career is over. If it works, then the players career continues. If it fails, their career is over

[jacksonianmarch]

I would no more count on Pedy for the future than I would Hanley.

 

Hanley has a greater chance of contributing in 2018, clearly.

[jacksonianmarch]

I'm not going to go on and on about how much I hate the C.Sale trade, but, boy, do I hate that trade. If we don't make it, we add power to the lineup at 2b with Moncada (I think he will be a 30-30 player with a ton of strikeouts) and Kopech is one of he best SP prospects in the game.

 

I know C.Sale was great and the Red Sox don't win the division without him, but he was brought here to do more than win the division--he was brought here to help in October and he totally failed in that regard. In addition, it will take a few years, but just like you expected A.Rizzo to eventually surpass A.Gonzalez as a player, I would expect Kopech to be a better SP than Sale in a few seasons. That's when the trade will really hurt.

 

You know, I am not entirely sold on Moncada. He only had a .750OPS in his debut this season and thus far in the major leagues, he has only hit .229 career. Plus, for all the hype, he has stolen only 3 bases in 62 games and has 86K's in that same time frame. His abysmal start to his career is clearly telling of his inability to play baseball at a high level. Also, Moncada didn't knock the cover off the ball in AAA like I would expect a top prospect to do, so I expect him to be a platoon bat.....

 

 

Clearly I am trolling you, but when you tout a guy who had his struggles in Moncada as a potential 30-30 guy and yet piss on Clint Frazier (who is only 9 months older btw) who put up very similar offensive numbers in both AAA and the MLB, you look like a hypocrite or just a rosy red glassed ass kisser

[notin]

I'm thinking Brock Holt will be back after all.

 

 

Or we could see if Tampa non-tenders Brad Miller. ..

[notin]

Betts back at second base. Stanton in right. 18 wins from Sale. We're good to go.

 

St. Louis also has a glut of middle infielders. One intriguing name there is Kolten Wong.

 

Wong does have 3 years / $21.7mill left on his deal, which could make him expendable since Matt Carpenter was not a success at first and Jedd Gyorko seems to have found his groove in St. Louis. So Wong is basically a pricey utility player.

 

As a temporary solution, he's probably too expensive. But the real issue becomes - what would the Cardinals want for him anyway?

[Larry Cook]

Washington is desperate for bullpen help.

 

We could send them Kimbrel for turner, feddee and Robles.

[harmony]

Washington is desperate for bullpen help.

 

We could send them Kimbrel for turner, feddee and Robles.

Perhaps one year of Craig Kimbrel straight up for six years of righthander Erick Fedde, a Top 100 prospect who was the Nats' first-round draft pick in 2014.

 

No way would Washington part with shortstop Trea Turner, whom FanGraphs ranked seventh in trade value among all baseball players:

 

https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/2017-trade-value-1-to-10/

 

Likewise, the Nationals would not trade 20-year-old Victor Robles, the second-ranked prospect in all of baseball:

 

http://m.mlb.com/prospects/2017?list=prospects

 

Three years of Kimbrel cost the Red Sox only the 25th- and 76th-ranked prospects (Manuel Margot and Javier Guerra) and change:

 

http://m.mlb.com/prospects/2015/

Edited October 26, 2017 by harmony

[jacksonianmarch]

Washington is desperate for bullpen help.

 

We could send them Kimbrel for turner, feddee and Robles.

 

That never happens, ever

[Dojji]

Let's not forget entirely about Tzu-Wei Lin. He's got no power, none at all, but he had a very good rookie campaign and showed a bit of promise as a contact hitter. I expect him to be in the utility mix this Spring fighting with Marrero and Holt if he comes back. I wouldn't want to count on him as Plan A, but he's got to be in the mix somewhere, he did a solid job for the team this year.

[Slasher9]

"it's not me....it's them"

[Slasher9]

MVP - you nailed it in 2016 season "trade pedroia". credit where credit is due.

[harmony]

Washington is desperate for bullpen help.

 

We could send them Kimbrel for turner, feddee and Robles.

Let's turn the tables for these clubs that won 97 and 93 games this year en route to their respective East divisional titles.

 

With Dustin Pedroia's knee surgery, let's assume the Red Sox are desperate for a second baseman.

 

Compare the merits of these trade proposals:

 

1. One year of Craig Kimbrel for five years of Trea Turner, six years of Victor Robles and six years of Erick Fedde.

 

2. One year of Daniel Murphy for five years of Andrew Benintendi, six years of Rafael Devers and six years of Trey Ball.

 

The 29-year-old Kimbrel, who is owed $13 million in the final year of his contract, has posted 6.0 fWAR over the past three seasons, including 3.3 fWAR this year.

 

The 32-year-old Murphy, who is owed $17.5 million in the final year of his contract, has posted 12.3 fWAR over the past three seasons, including 4.3 fWAR this year.

 

The 23-year-old Benintendi has posted 2.8 fWAR in 185 MLB games while the 24-year-old Turner has posted 6.4 fWAR in 198 MLB games. Turner ranked seventh on the FanGraphs midseason trade value list while Benintendi was unranked.

 

Devers, who just turned 22 years old, was ranked sixth in Baseball America's midseason prospect rankings while Robles, who is seven months younger than Devers, ranked eighth:

 

http://www.baseballamerica.com/minors/2017-midseason-top-100-prospects-july-7/#8LDbyHs9tRqA2cR2.97

 

The 23-year-old Ball was selected out of high school in the first round of the 2013 draft while the 24-year-old Fedde was taken out of college in the first round of the 2014 draft. Fedde ranked 70th on BA's midseason prospect list while Trey Ball went unranked.

 

So, would the Red Sox trade five years of Andrew Benintendi, six years of Rafael Devers and six years of Trey Ball for one year of Daniel Murphy?

 

That trade would be less lopsided than the proposed five years of Trea Turner, six years of Victor Robles and six years of Erick Fedde for one year of Craig Kimbrel.

 

But neither proposal is realistic.

Edited October 26, 2017 by harmony

[FredLynn]

They're still performing the surgery because its the last resort before telling an athlete that their career is over. If it works, then the players career continues. If it fails, their career is over

 

The point is that the team cannot count on Pedroia ever being a regular second baseman again, especially with his style of play. Sure, its worth a try-if not for his playing career just to try to delay the need for a new knee. Management is going to have to find a different solution at 2B for next year.

[Bellhorn04]

MVP - you nailed it in 2016 season "trade pedroia". credit where credit is due.

 

Yeah, but he's been saying it forever. That wipes out the credit.

[mvp 78]

MVP - you nailed it in 2016 season "trade pedroia". credit where credit is due.

 

Broken clock

[mvp 78]

Yeah, but he's been saying it forever. That wipes out the credit.

 

#fakenews

[Bellhorn04]

#fakenews

 

#nocredit

[mvp 78]

#nocredit

 

You don't have to give me credit, just don't act like I've been saying it "forever."

 

2014 - negative WAR offensive player

2015 - injured and couldn't stay on the field and his defense had taken a step back (the year I started harping on him)

2016 - had a great season which I gave him credit for and said that it was the right time to move him as it would be selling high

2017 - negative WAR offensive player and couldn't stay on the field due to injuries

[Bellhorn04]

You don't have to give me credit, just don't act like I've been saying it "forever."

 

2014 - negative WAR offensive player

2015 - injured and couldn't stay on the field and his defense had taken a step back (the year I started harping on him)

2016 - had a great season which I gave him credit for and said that it was the right time to move him as it would be selling high

2017 - negative WAR offensive player and couldn't stay on the field due to injuries

 

I think you're trying to make far too much gravy with the 'negative WAR offensive player'. He's not a DH. It's total WAR that matters.