Pedroia undergoes microfracture surgery

[Bellhorn04]

Even if he were a buddy of Butterfield, it doesn't follow that he would throw Pedroia under the bus. I don't recall any bad blood between Farrell and Pedroia. Also, the question related to how his actions were received in the clubhouse, not by Farrell.

 

My take on the Pedroia situation has admittedly been influenced by Peter Abraham's comments. He placed most of the blame on Farrell for bungling the whole thing. To me that might be one more reason why Butterfield would feel uncomfortable saying anything about it.

[cp176]

I don't see what that has to do with whether or not Pedey's comment was well received by the clubhouse. I'm not going to recount the conversation - others have made their own attempt to discredit it anyway. What I do know is that the discomfort they felt when the question came up was palpable.

 

I was there. I know the impression I got and I also know the impression that the dozen or more people I've spoken with who were also there agrees with mine (unless you want to say they were being dishonest with me - which is a cop-out argument).

 

People are going to believe what they want to believe. I was there and know what I believe. Others don't. Meh.

 

But you can bet your sweet ass that I'm not going to relay anything else I hear at forums like that. I thought I was in a position to give a little insight and all I've gotten is ********.

 

I enjoyed reading what you had to say. We need Pedroia of course it only follows that all of a sudden he has turned into that great leader all of a sudden that he really has never been. He is a tough assed player and we do need him but I won't be forgetting that crap incident anytime soon. It is over now and doesn't need to be rehashed.

[notin]

Everyone I spoke with who was there agrees with my interpretation. Were you there? If so I must have missed seeing you.

 

And everybody for years believed the sun revolved around the Earth. Popularity doesn't equal truth...

[S5Dewey]

And everybody for years believed the sun revolved around the Earth. Popularity doesn't equal truth...

 

You're clouding the issue (as usual). The people I spoke with found Butterfield credible. You weren't there and you apparently don't find him credible. Got it.

[jad]

Here I was reading along and having a good time with my old memories and you turned it ugly.

 

Well, yes. I have great nostalgia for the old days too. But overlaid on that is the uneasy realization that the RS, which I loved, were a deeply racist organization--the last MLB team to integrate. There is no way to gloss over that. The only way I justify my own oblivion to such things is that hell, I was only 10 when Pumpsie Green finally got on the field, and I grew up as an extraordinarily naive kid in a liberal household (e.g., I thus assumed, watching the school desegregation newsclips from the mid-50s, that of course all those rednecks were yelling and screaming because they were applauding the black kids finally getting to go to school.)

[notin]

You're clouding the issue (as usual). The people I spoke with found Butterfield credible. You weren't there and you apparently don't find him credible. Got it.

 

Based on what?

 

My position has always been - we really don't know the whole story.

 

Last time I posted an alternate theory, two people (one I think was Spudboy) posted links discrediting your version.

 

It's not about whether or not you found a non-answer credible. There are stories from actual reporters discrediting that version already. It's old news...

[S5Dewey]

Based on what?

 

My position has always been - we really don't know the whole story.

 

Last time I posted an alternate theory, two people (one I think was Spudboy) posted links discrediting your version.

 

It's not about whether or not you found a non-answer credible. There are stories from actual reporters discrediting that version already. It's old news...

 

First, we don't actually KNOW THE WHOLE STORY behind anything. For all we KNOW Mookie may have gotten into a fight with someone in the clubhouse which is why he's not playing. We don't even KNOW that he's injured. We're just taking someone else's word for it. Like just about most things in life we don't know because we don't have that information first hand. Obviously you don't find my interpretation of what happened to be credible. That's fine. But you may want to remember that I'm the only one who's been there and heard what they had to say and how it was said.

 

By all means,choose to believe the mainstream media and their spin. When I get conflicting stories I'll choose to believe those people who lived it and their reactions. Enjoy your day.

[Kimmi]

lol.

 

Gotta love your faith!

 

He's done.

 

I will believe that Pedroia is done when he believes that he is done.

[Slasher9]

anyone in that clubhouse that says they weren't offended by pedroia screaming "its them, not me" across the diamond to the other team is a f***ing liar. anyone that believes there is "another story" is naive.

[a700hitter]

anyone in that clubhouse that says they weren't offended by pedroia screaming "its them, not me" across the diamond to the other team is a f***ing liar. anyone that believes there is "another story" is naive.

Agreed, and those who demand a definitive statement from a teammate or coach will never get one. The closest that we will ever get will be a reaction like Butterfield's where he didn't unequivocally deny that there was a negative clubhouse reaction and alluded otherwise. Common sense and human nature would dictate that his teammates were pissed off at him. We don't need smoking gun proof.

[Natick to NC]

How did this turn into a subject long dead buried ? Why doesn't Pedey get a mulligan ? What the hell is wrong with people circling like sharks because they see the end of his tenure now ? Let's grasp who DP was ....he was a freaking awesome teammate a MVP a clutch hitter and Fielder an absolute Redsox dirt dog to the core ...That kid loved playing in the limelight ...I freaking Love Pedey his time is closing don't drudge old s*** up .Those who point out a splinter in an eye generally have a tree in there own . Edited June 5, 2018 by Natick to NC

[mvp 78]

How did this turn into a subject long dead buried ? Why doesn't Pedey get a mulligan ? What the hell is wrong with people circling like sharks because they see the end of his tenure now ? Let's grasp who DP was ....he was a freaking awesome teammate a MVP a clutch hitter and Fielder an absolute Redsox dirt dog to the core ...That kid loved playing in the limelight ...I freaking Love Pedey his time is closing don't drudge old s*** up .Those who point out a splinter in an eye generally have a tree in there own .

 

was

[Slasher9]

I’m actually not positive that he ever was an “awesome teammate”....

[cp176]

anyone in that clubhouse that says they weren't offended by pedroia screaming "its them, not me" across the diamond to the other team is a f***ing liar. anyone that believes there is "another story" is naive.

 

I'm thinking that I agree with you but what I have to say is that we still need that guy at second base. I doubt that he ever wanted to even be considered a leader anyway. I think that he just wants to play as hard as he can on every play. I think that there a lot of things that we care about that he could give a s*** about. I think that he just wants to be between the lines.

[Bellhorn04]

I’m actually not positive that he ever was an “awesome teammate”....

 

2 duck boat parades though right?

[Natick to NC]

Your telling me you folks think Pedey was an ass ? Soooofreaking what ....the guy was a great teammate on the field he was a great human off ...get off his back it's disgusting.

[mvp 78]

I’m actually not positive that he ever was an “awesome teammate”....

 

But he was a DIRT DOGTM!

[mvp 78]

Your telling me you folks think Pedey was an ass ? Soooofreaking what ....the guy was a great teammate on the field he was a great human off ...get off his back it's disgusting.

 

I don't know. This seems more like personal perception more than anything else. I don't believe he's a huge charity guy or at least no more than any other player.

[Bellhorn04]

Pedroia is a guy who has always given it 100% on the field. 2 championship seasons. Good O, total hustle and amazing defense. A few questionable moments shouldn't tear all that down.

[mvp 78]

Pedroia is a guy who has always given it 100% on the field. 2 championship seasons. Good O, total hustle and amazing defense. A few questionable moments shouldn't tear all that down.

 

He was a great player. I just don't see him being close to that player going forward. I think Sox fans have deified him over the years. In a recent gamethread, I stated that Altuve is the player Sox fans think Pedroia is or was (he's a destroyah, kid).

 

If playing 100% means diving into 1b for no reason, then Pedroia definitely did that. He always had a dirty uniform whether it needed to be or not. He was a short white guy who looked like he played a full 9 innings 162 games a year (even though that wasn't necessarily the case). Boston ate it up.

 

He was very valuable through 2013 and had a surprising resurgence in 2016. 3 of the last 4 years haven't been worth the money though.

[notin]

He was very valuable through 2013 and had a surprising resurgence in 2016. 3 of the last 4 years haven't been worth the money though.

 

He's 34 years old.

 

Players who are anywhere near as good at 34 as they were at 26-28 are very rare. But given how free agency worked until last year, you pay a player at 30 for what he was at 25, even if he was elsewhere.

 

Pedroia will not live up to his contract. This hardly makes him a unique case in MLB. And his contract really isn't even all that lucrative, given the state of MLB contracts at the time...

[mvp 78]

He's 34 years old.

 

Players who are anywhere near as good at 34 as they were at 26-28 are very rare. But given how free agency worked until last year, you pay a player at 30 for what he was at 25, even if he was elsewhere.

 

Pedroia will not live up to his contract. This hardly makes him a unique case in MLB. And his contract really isn't even all that lucrative, given the state of MLB contracts at the time...

 

So now it's just common knowledge that he won't be worth the contract? Great!

 

I guess people must have been on my side all along then about trading Pedroia!

[notin]

So now it's just common knowledge that he won't be worth the contract? Great!

 

I guess people must have been on my side all along then about trading Pedroia!

 

How many players really are worth their contract?

 

Pedroia's deal isn't actually that bad. He has 3 years and $40mill after this season. On the free agent market last year, that gets you Jay Bruce.

 

The bigger deal for Pedroia will be can he last the 3 years, not will he be good enough...

[mvp 78]

How many players really are worth their contract?

 

Pedroia's deal isn't actually that bad. He has 3 years and $40mill after this season. On the free agent market last year, that gets you Jay Bruce.

 

The bigger deal for Pedroia will be can he last the 3 years, not will he be good enough...

 

Just reminds me of the commercial from the 80's: "more hair down the drain..."

 

Should have sold high!

[Station 13]

Anyone ever seen Old Yeller?

[mvp 78]

Anyone ever seen Old Yeller?

 

Even Air Bud had to die.

 

RIP Buddy Fram!

[notin]

anyone in that clubhouse that says they weren't offended by pedroia screaming "its them, not me" across the diamond to the other team is a f***ing liar. anyone that believes there is "another story" is naive.

 

Really?

 

So it's an impossible situation that Pedroia simply didn't want the entire situation to escalate? And that he figured he would be the victim of the next retaliatory beaning?

[notin]

First, we don't actually KNOW THE WHOLE STORY behind anything. For all we KNOW Mookie may have gotten into a fight with someone in the clubhouse which is why he's not playing. We don't even KNOW that he's injured. We're just taking someone else's word for it. Like just about most things in life we don't know because we don't have that information first hand. Obviously you don't find my interpretation of what happened to be credible. That's fine. But you may want to remember that I'm the only one who's been there and heard what they had to say and how it was said.

 

By all means,choose to believe the mainstream media and their spin. When I get conflicting stories I'll choose to believe those people who lived it and their reactions. Enjoy your day.

 

The big difference being no one is using Betts on the DL to malign his character.

 

In the past, you have referred to Machado as a punk because of that slide, right? Or at least, that conclusion was influenced by that slide. Do you think he was intentionally trying to spike Pedroia? I do believe he was trying to break up a double play, but that isn't the same thing. I also saw Machado try to help Pedroia up after taking him down, which would be a little inconsistent with the actions of a player who intentionally tried to injure another player.

 

But what do my lying eyes know?

[Bellhorn04]

He was very valuable through 2013 and had a surprising resurgence in 2016. 3 of the last 4 years haven't been worth the money though.

 

Wrong.

 

FanGraphs says he was more than worth the money every year, including 2014, 2015 and 2017.

 

You disagree with FanGraphs?

[mvp 78]

Wrong.

 

FanGraphs says he was more than worth the money every year, including 2014, 2015 and 2017.

 

You disagree with FanGraphs?

 

Sometimes I do because I'm not an automaton. Fangraphs will also say some players are worth $60M for a year. I'll politely disagree. The $ value per win is a metric that I don't enjoy much.