A Realistic View at 2018: Part I

[mvp 78]

personally, i was only willing to trade JBj for Giancarlo.

 

With DD only wanting one bat, I see no reason to move JBJ. You only move JBJ to get a LF and a 1B/DH. It looks like they only want a 1B/DH guy now since they are still stuck with Hanley. Thanks Ben.

[Emp9]

That's not true at all.

 

It's called 'Mandatory Arrest Policy'. I'm sure it ultimately comes down to the assessment of the police officers at the scene.

[sk7326]

It will be interesting to see if the Sox re-visit the Abreu talks - and from a value perspective, he is the best option for 1B. And yes, I could see an argument for dealing Chavis and stuff for him.

[Emp9]

It will be interesting to see if the Sox re-visit the Abreu talks - and from a value perspective, he is the best option for 1B. And yes, I could see an argument for dealing Chavis and stuff for him.

 

Think I'd rather go after Ozuna if we're trading prospects.

[mvp 78]

It's called 'Mandatory Arrest Policy'. I'm sure it ultimately comes down to the assessment of the police officers at the scene.

 

MA doesn't have a Mandatory Arrest Policy unless there is probably cause that a restraining order has been broken. The officers aren't required to arrest someone just because you called 911.

 

TN also doesn't have a Mandatory Arrest Policy. It's up to officer discretion.

[sk7326]

Think I'd rather go after Ozuna if we're trading prospects.

 

Given the prospect price, I'd imagine Abreu is lower ... but contractually we are thinking similarly, somebody with arbitration control etc. Ozuna has his 2 arb years coming up and makes $3.5M now. The skinflint Yeah Jeets ownership doesn't have to fire sale him yet.

[Emp9]

MA doesn't have a Mandatory Arrest Policy unless there is probably cause that a restraining order has been broken. The officers aren't required to arrest someone just because you called 911.

 

TN also doesn't have a Mandatory Arrest Policy. It's up to officer discretion.

 

It doesn't have to go by state. It could go by the law enforcement agency itself. And their policies may differ.

[S5Dewey]

personally, i was only willing to trade JBj for Giancarlo.

 

You may remember that I have a pretty big "man crush" on JBJ and always have. I never wanted to trade him but if he was going to have to go the only one I'd be willing to give him up for would have been Stanton.

 

Again going back to what I heard last night, Tim Neverett said that JBJ is "the most boring outfielder in baseball". He'll make a few spectacular catches but when a ball is hit even into the gap he's always there waiting for the ball to come down and make the catch. Boring. But in a good way.

[moonslav59]

You may remember that I have a pretty big "man crush" on JBJ and always have. I never wanted to trade him but if he was going to have to go the only one I'd be willing to give him up for would have been Stanton.

 

Again going back to what I heard last night, Tim Neverett said that JBJ is "the most boring outfielder in baseball". He'll make a few spectacular catches but when a ball is hit even into the gap he's always there waiting for the ball to come down and make the catch. Boring. But in a good way.

 

He did make that one spectacular catch in the triangle this year.

[S5Dewey]

He did make that one spectacular catch in the triangle this year.

 

I've always said that JBJ makes catches on balls that would be spectacular if anyone else made them, and gets to balls that nobody else would.

 

WAR not withstanding - and my feelings about defensive WAR have been documented ad nauseum, I know it's difficult to rank defense but I see JBJ as one of the three best CF's in the AL (I don't see many NL games), and #1 could be any one of the three including JBJ.

 

Since the other two aren't available I like JBJ in CF for the Sox.

[Emp9]

I've always said that JBJ makes catches on balls that would be spectacular if anyone else made them, and gets to balls that nobody else would.

 

WAR not withstanding - and my feelings about defensive WAR have been documented ad nauseum, I know it's difficult to rank defense but I see JBJ as one of the three best CF's in the AL (I don't see many NL games), and #1 could be any one of the three including JBJ.

 

Since the other two aren't available I like JBJ in CF for the Sox.

 

For multiple reasons, our Infield defense isn't spectacular (except at catcher). But our Outfield defense is. Which, to me, is even more reason to keep the status quo with the OF. At least we have that going for us.

[moonslav59]

I've always said that JBJ makes catches on balls that would be spectacular if anyone else made them, and gets to balls that nobody else would.

 

WAR not withstanding - and my feelings about defensive WAR have been documented ad nauseum, I know it's difficult to rank defense but I see JBJ as one of the three best CF's in the AL (I don't see many NL games), and #1 could be any one of the three including JBJ.

 

Since the other two aren't available I like JBJ in CF for the Sox.

 

He's one of my favorite Sox players. I'm a huge fan of defense, especially up the middle.

 

IMO, I think UZR/150 does not reflect his true ranking (6th in the last 3 years at +4.9). He's 5th in DRS at +24.

 

Kiermaier, Pillar, Hamilton and Cain are above him. I have not seen them enough to know who is better.

 

 

 

[S5Dewey]

He's one of my favorite Sox players. I'm a huge fan of defense, especially up the middle.

 

IMO, I think UZR/150 does not reflect his true ranking (6th in the last 3 years at +4.9). He's 5th in DRS at +24.

 

Kiermaier, Pillar, Hamilton and Cain are above him. I have not seen them enough to know who is better.

 

I think that's the case with most of us. There aren't enough hours in the day to watch the Sox AND every other team and I've already admitted to my 'man crush' on JBJ.

 

That's why I'll defer to you and revise my thinking to say that "Since the other four aren't available I like JBJ in CF for the Sox".

[moonslav59]

I think that's the case with most of us. There aren't enough hours in the day to watch the Sox AND every other team and I've already admitted to my 'man crush' on JBJ.

 

That's why I'll defer to you and revise my thinking to say that "Since the other four aren't available I like JBJ in CF for the Sox".

 

Personally, I haven't seen anyone better than JBJ, but I'm okay with calling him top 5.

[Spudboy]

Personally, I haven't seen anyone better than JBJ, but I'm okay with calling him top 5.

 

I think this is probably how most of us feel.

[harmony]

No I don't have a link as I have other, more pressing things to do than make a huge issue out of this s***.

 

I read the same stuff in a few places. I am sure you can find it.

Then perhaps you should refrain from spreading misinformation.

 

I looked and found nothing.

[S5Dewey]

It's difficult because I've seen Kiermieyer and Pillar make some very good catches but I don't get to see them every day. The thing that JBJ does that I've never seen anyone else do is turn his back on the ball, run to 'the spot' and be waiting for the ball when it comes down. That alone tells me that he may cover more ground in CF than any of the other four.

 

Or maybe he's just lazy and sprints to 'the spot' so he can take a little break before the ball comes down.

[Bellhorn04]

Then perhaps you should refrain from spreading misinformation.

 

I looked and found nothing.

 

Don't be a sanctimonious preacher. The statement issued by the family describes it as a verbal argument.

 

Even if Spudboy's statement wasn't 100.00% accurate, he certainly wasn't trying to 'spread misinformation'.

 

This is a baseball message board and a lot of mistakes are made...expecting perfectly reliable information here wouldn't be very bright.

[Slasher9]

Personally, I haven't seen anyone better than JBJ, but I'm okay with calling him top 5.

 

I heart JBj.

that said...pillar made 2 catches last year that i just couldnt believe.

[Nick]

3B 18 19 20 21 22 23 Devers

LF 18 19 20 21 22 Beni

2B 18 19 20 21 Pedroia

CF 18 19 20 JBJ

RF 18 19 20 Betts

c 18 19 20 Vaz

SS 18 19 Xander

1B 18 19 Hanley

DH

 

SP1 18 19 Sale

SP2 18 19 20 21 22 Price

SP3 18 Pom

SP4 18 19 Porcello

SP5 18 19 20 21 E Rod

 

We just need to find a DH or 1B and slide Hanley to the open spot. Next hurdle is finding replacement for Xander or extending him. I don't think we're as desperate as we're making it out to be. My guess is Dustin won't last another 4 years but 2B should be a position easily filled. And I wouldn't give up quite easily on Sam Travis. Sometimes it takes two full years to recover from his type of injury.

 

It's time for someone from our farm system to step into our rotation. E Rod basically was a gift from the Orioles. I'd like to see the Sox extend Pom right after spring training.

 

I think Kimmi would approve.

Edited December 12, 2017 by Nick

[Spudboy]

Then perhaps you should refrain from spreading misinformation.

 

I looked and found nothing.

 

Anything you say tough guy.

[moonslav59]

3B 18 19 20 21 22 23 Devers

LF 18 19 20 21 22 Beni

2B 18 19 20 21 Pedroia

CF 18 19 20 JBJ

RF 18 19 20 Betts

c 18 19 20 Vaz

SS 18 19 Xander

1B 18 19 Hanley

DH

 

SP1 18 19 Sale

SP2 18 19 20 21 22 Price

SP3 18 Pom

SP4 18 19 Porcello

SP5 18 19 20 21 E Rod

 

We just need to find a DH or 1B and slide Hanley to the open spot. Next hurdle is finding replacement for Xander or extending him. I don't think we're as desperate as we're making it out to be. My guess is Dustin won't last another 4 years but 2B should be a position easily filled. And I wouldn't give up quite easily on Sam Travis. Sometimes it takes two full years to recover from his type of injury.

 

It's time for someone from our farm system to step into our rotation. E Rod basically was a gift from the Orioles. I'd like to see the Sox extend Pom right after spring training.

 

I think Kimmi would approve.

 

Nice summary.

 

Maybe HRam does not vest.

 

I think Pom is a higher priority extension than Bogey.

 

Re-signing or replacing Sale will be tough AND expensive. He alone will eat up the loss of Pablo's contract.

[FredLynn]

At least that's Steven Wright's version, according to his attorney. Has anyone seen a police report on the incident?

 

I trust the system will strive to uncover the truth.

 

Well what did you really expect his attorney to say?

"Steven punched his wife in the mouth so hard that her teeth bounced across the kitchen floor like Chicklets"?

As you said, something closer to the truth will eventually be uncovered.

[a700hitter]

Well what did you really expect his attorney to say?

"Steven punched his wife in the mouth so hard that her teeth bounced across the kitchen floor like Chicklets"?

As you said, something closer to the truth will eventually be uncovered.

That would be malpractice as he would be convicting his client. It would be advisable for him to preface his remarks with a statement such as “Steven denies that” — then he could follow that up with anything such as “he hit his wife so hard that he knocked her into next week.”

[cp176]

That would be malpractice as he would be convicting his client. It would be advisable for him to preface his remarks with a statement such as “Steven denies that” — then he could follow that up with anything such as “he hit his wife so hard that he knocked her into next week.”

 

Oh boy - I'll say it again though , with our current ownership, I would be very surprised if Wright returns to the Red Sox.

[moonslav59]

I've been a huge Steven Wright fan since we traded for him back in oh-twelve. (I'm an ex-knuckleballer myself... in softball.) This is so sad.

 

He has the second most seniority on the team next to Pedey.

 

I won't be surprised, if he's traded, but he deserves due process.

[cp176]

I've been a huge Steven Wright fan since we traded for him back in oh-twelve. (I'm an ex-knuckleballer myself... in softball.) This is so sad.

 

He has the second most seniority on the team next to Pedey.

 

I won't be surprised, if he's traded, but he deserves due process.

 

I agree with you entirely but it just doesn't work that way these days. He will be tried in the court of public opinion. That will be good enough for this ownership.

[moonslav59]

If we are looking to add power and OBP is a distant second, here is a list of those we might want to pursue and some we probably should not pursue:

 

232 players with 1,000+ PAs from 2015-2017

 

Rank in ISO

2. JD Martinez .284 (Stanton is #1 at .316.)

14. L. Duda .248

21. J Bruce .239

22. B Dozier .238

34. Moustakas .221

49. J Abreu .212

54. J Cozart .209

59. Morrison .206

65. Santana .200

74. Moreland .197

81. McCutchen .192

92. M Reynolds .188

111. Valencia .177

125. Hosmer .169

155. Y Alonso .152

161. Nunez .147

 

SLG%

3. JD Martinez .580

21. J Abreu .508

30. Moustakas .496

31. Dozier .496

42. Bruce .482

43. Cozart .480

45. Duda .479

60. McCutchen .467

65. Hosmer .463

82. Valencia .453

87. Santana .450

89. Reynolds .449

91. Moreland .449

106. Nunez .443

107. Morrison .443

 

Want a mix of power and OBP?

 

OPS

7. JD Martinez .943 (Stanton is 9th)

25. J Abreu .859

37. McCutchen .834

40. B Dozier .831

44. Moustakas .824

48. Hosmer .822

49. Cozart .820

52. Santana .818

54. L Duda .812

76. Reynolds .792

82. Valencia .788

103. Nunez .774

108. Morrison .769

113. Moreland .768

119. Y Alonso .764

 

 

 

 

 

 

[moonslav59]

I agree with you entirely but it just doesn't work that way these days. He will be tried in the court of public opinion. That will be good enough for this ownership.

 

I don't disagree, and even if his wife denies anything happened, there will always be the doubt that she is protecting him (and possibly herself from further abuse or loss).

 

There's little chance he's back no matter what happens next.

 

[cp176]

I don't disagree, and even if his wife denies anything happened, there will always be the doubt that she is protecting him (and possibly herself from further abuse or loss).

 

There's little chance he's back no matter what happens next.

 

 

I agree with all of what you said.